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25 posted 11-25-2009 05:32 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Ah, Bob, I see you changed "you haven't read them" to "all of them" to support your argument. I don't really care. If your only interest in posting here is to pop in once in  a while to insult and try to pick fights, why bother? Have a nice Thanksgiving....


Thanaks for the link, grinch. I'll check it out. I wouldn't want to be like Al Gore, who claims it's 5 million degrees at the center of the Earth!
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Should we reject everything he says because he got one thing wrong Mike?

BTW - He actually said “several million degrees”.


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27 posted 11-25-2009 06:34 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

One thing wrong, grinch? You DO have a good sense of humor, after all
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One thing wrong, grinch? You DO have a good sense of humor, after all


I didn’t really want to mention all the things you’ve got wrong Mike – which is why I kept it to one example.

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.

While nuclear which France
and earthquake ridden Japan
have embraced is off the table.
Who would have thought that
an energy source could be
politically incorrect.

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30 posted 11-25-2009 08:30 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I get many things wrong, grinch, for sure. What I get wrong is here in our little Alley. They are not in books or in movies that are shown to children, nor do they get me an Oscar or the Nobel Prize.

It takes a pro like Gore to pull that off....

and, no, in Gore's case, it is not limited to one thing, as you well know.  

The amount of mistakes I make has nothing to do with Gore, of course. Nice try at a dodge, though
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     Get it straight, Mike.  I pointed out you didn't do your homework, yet acted as if you had.

     If you don't like to have that pointed out, do your homework, don't blame other people for noticing you're talking without having a grasp of the subject.  Or at least confine your comments to what you do know about.

     I stand by what I said about that.

     As for trying to pick a fight without having anything to contribute, it appears that you don't believe my contributions are worthy of reply, or didn't notice them or are discounting them.  I said, about global warming,

quote:


     If you're going to be strictly practical, I'd go a bit further.  I'd say that pragmatically it doesn't matter if it's man-made or not in purely practical terms.  In terms of an interesting discussion, perhaps it does, but in purely pragmatic terms, probably not.  The question of whether we can change it is important to me because I'd like to have the species survive on this planet, and it's possible that those are the stakes that we're playing for.  It's certainly very possible that that we'll fail.

     I'd rather work at surviving as a species than either pretending there's nothing wrong or accepting there's nothing that can be done.  Pragmatically that offers the best chance for a decent outcome even if there's nothing wrong or if there's nothing that can be done.  It seems the option that offers the highest chance for the longest survivability for the most people.  
  



     Having said,

quote:

. . . your only interest in posting here is to pop in once in  a while to insult and try to pick fights, why bother?



it seems reasonable to conclude that you've not considered my point, not read it, or felt it not worth commenting upon.  None of these things is the same as my not having made it.

     I bother because I have things to say that I think matter.  I think that many of them are worth consideration.  And because you give me lots of practice in working on going back to the beginning of things and trying to put my feelings aside, and trying to explain things again.  That last part is hard for me, but I'm working on it.  I'm envious of LR for his ability to do that.

     And I wish you a happy thanksgiving too.  I hope you have lots of family about and that everybody has a fine time together.  You have lots to be thankful for in this painful year, and I'm glad you're around to grumble with.
Go get 'em, Mike.  Have a great time!

Yours, Bob K.
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32 posted 11-26-2009 07:51 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama will commit the United States to substantial cuts in greenhouse gas pollution over the next decade — despite resistance in Congress over higher costs — when he travels to a major climate conference in Copenhagen next month.

Obama will attend the start of the conference Dec. 9 before heading to Oslo to accept the Nobel Peace Prize. He will "put on the table" a U.S. commitment to cut emissions by 17 percent over the next decade, on the way to reducing heat-trapping pollution by 80 percent by mid-century, the White House said.

Cutting U.S. carbon dioxide emissions by one-sixth in just a decade would increase the cost of energy as electric utilities pay for capturing carbon dioxide at coal-burning power plants or switch to more expensive alternatives. The price of gasoline probably would increase, and more fuel-efficient automobiles — or hybrids that run on gasoline and electricity — probably would be more expensive.

Carol Browner, Obama's assistant for energy and climate change, on Wednesday cited a Congressional Budget Office study that said there would be $173-a-year estimated cost to the average household by 2020 if greenhouse gases were cut by 17 percent from 2005 levels. But the CBO analysis also said that if cost-blunting measures in the legislation were not taken into account, the cost to households could jump to $890 per household.

Other studies conducted by pro-industry groups have put the average household costs between $900 to more than $3,000 a year, although many of those studies do not take into account new energy conservation efforts and assume a more pessimistic view of new technology development that could bring actual consumer costs down.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091126/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_copenhagen

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Mike,

Gore got one thing wrong while discussing geothermal energy as a viable alternative energy source but managed to get the basic fact regarding geothermal energy’s feasibility correct.

You got one thing wrong trying to ridicule what Gore said – unfortunately it just happened to be what Gore actually said. I thought that was a little ironic in a pot, kettle and black sort of way.

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34 posted 11-26-2009 08:27 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Oh, you mean because I said 5 million instead of several million??? Well, I guess that makes it ok, then. After all, he was only off by a few million minus 5000 so that must be close enough for the expert in the field he claims to be
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I am glad he is not a doctor or a surgeon!
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After the last operation I had Ess the surgeon told me I’d be off work for at least 3 weeks – I was back at my desk after 3 days – I guess he was wrong.

If he got something wrong during the operation I’d have been a tad more concerned but I don’t really mind all that much when experts get the relatively unimportant things wrong.

Gore was explaining that electricity produced from geothermal sources was a viable alternative to conventional generating sources that used unsustainable fuels – that was the important thing and he got that about right. What the temperature 2 kilometres under the surface of the earth is isn’t that crucial when it comes to getting the point across about alternative energy sources.

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After all, he was only off by a few million minus 5000 so that must be close enough for the expert in the field he claims to be


As far as I know Gore isn’t an expert in geothermal temperatures Mike, nor does he claim to be, if he was I’d be a little more worried about the minor gaffe. Gore however is simply a proponent of the theory of anthropogenic global warming who just happens to have access to the public thanks to his previous position. If he’s an expert in anything it’s probably getting the message heard – the fact that you’re trying to pick holes in what he says tends to suggest that he’s doing quite a good job in that regard.

I wonder Mike:

If a neighbour offers you a free beer because he’s got “about a gazillion” in his trunk going spare do you turn him down when you find out there’s only 342? Would you ridicule his stock taking expertise?

I wouldn’t either, the important thing is that there’s beer and it’s free!

  
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f a neighbour offers you a free beer because he’s got “about a gazillion” in his trunk going spare do you turn him down when you find out there’s only 342? Would you ridicule his stock taking expertise?

LOL! Thanks for showing how far you can go to try to make excuses for AlGore...that comparison isn't even in the ballpark

Now, if my neighbor told me we had to conserve beer because it was in danger of extinction and I found out there was actually more beer being produced than ever, THEN I would be a little irritated.

Substitute polar bears for beer and guess who you've got....yep, Gore again.

We agree on one thing. Gore is no expert, with the exception of scamming the public for his own benefit. I will concede that he is very good at that....possibly because there are so many suckers willing to believe him. His believers are dwindling, though, and people are actually questioning him. That's encouraging.....
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LOL! Thanks for showing how far you can go to try to make excuses for AlGore...that comparison isn't even in the ballpark


You’re welcome Mike.

As to whether the beer analogy is accurate, you’ll excuse me if I don’t accept your judgement straight off the bat – by your own admission you tend to get things wrong in the alley. Besides, applying the logic that you applied to Gore earlier I have to believe you’re wrong about everything given the evidence that you were wrong about one thing earlier.

I don’t mind running through it though, just in case:
Gore said we could get clean and virtually free electricity by using geothermal processes.

Your neighbour said you could get beer totally free from the trunk of his car.

Gore incorrectly said that the temperature beneath the earths crust was millions of degrees.

Your neighbour incorrectly said that he had gazillions of bottles in his trunk.

Hmm.. The two scenarios look analogous to me Mike – maybe your logic works after all.


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Your example needs to assume that my neighbor, I and Gore are all on the same level. I can assure you my neighbor and I aren't...nor would we want to be.

You're right. I am wrong a lot in the Alley....for instance like thinking intelligent conversation can happen here. Obviously it doesn't  

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40 posted 11-29-2009 09:56 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Good morning!

Here's a little inconvenience the Inconvenient Truth ran into...


Before allowing it to be shown in schools Britain-wide, the British government has officially tried AL Gore’s global warming propa-scam-da film, An Inconvenient Truth, in court… And have reached the following conclusions (bolding is mine):

——————————

…the Court found that the film was misleading in 11 respects and that the Guidance Notes drafted by the Education Secretary’s advisors served only to exacerbate the political propaganda in the film.

In order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that 1.) The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument. 2.) If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination. 3.) Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.

The inaccuracies are:

    * The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
    * The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.

    * The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.
    * The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.
    * The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
    * The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
    * The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
    * The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
    * The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.

    * The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
    * The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.
http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/10/10/official-british-court-finds-11-inaccuracies-in-al-gores-an-inconvenient-truth-labels-it-as-political-propaganda/

(Gore, by the way, will not respond to any of these points. Nobel Prize? He should have gotten the NoWay prize.

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As to the original question:

If you view climate warming/climate change as a political issue, then I suspect few minds are changed.

If you are a "denier" then you feel your views are vindicated.

If you are in the "Inconvenient Truth" camp, then you will ignore the emails using whatever excuse you wish to conjure up to explain away the obvious.

If you are a scientist, you have to be appalled and shocked at the politicization of your honored profession.

If you are a dumb schmuck from the middle of nowhere, you just shake your head and marvel at the ignorance of the supposed intellectual.

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Tim, I always suspected I was a dumb schmuck, and now you have verified it!
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You know, I can understand that people try to scam other people. They always have and always will and there will always be people to scam, like P.T. Barnum said. The sad thing for me is that Gore is not even good at it. He has been a habitual liar which can be easily factually provable, he yhas committed actions which have gone directly against global warming and climate change and no one calls him on it. He hasn't really tried to hide anything. He makes outrageous statements almost as if he knows no one will call him on it and those who do will be shouted down. There can be no other reason than (1) it is all political and (2) he knows he has the press behind him.....and that's sad that people will allow his deceptions to continue (and even reward him for it) all due to politics, even though it can hurt every American in the long run in terms of higher taxes and more government control.

Here's one of very many examples of Gorespeak, i.e., lying..

Al Gore, the Des Moines Register, March 16, 1999.

"I’ll tell you something else my father taught me. He taught me how to clean out hog waste with a shovel and a hose. He taught me how to clear land with a double-bladed ax. He taught me how to plow a steep hillside with a team of mules. He taught me how to take up hay all day long in the hot sun and then, after a dinner break, go over and help the neighbors take up hay before the rain came and spoiled it on the ground."

"Gore was a son of politics, a child of Washington, where his father served for 32 years as a congressman and a senator. The family residence was an apartment in the elegant Fairfax Hotel, which was owned by a Gore cousin; young Al walked across the street every morning to the Cosmos Club, where a bus picked him up for the ride to Washington’s most elite prep school, St. Alban’s, on the grounds of the Washington Cathedral." The New Yorker, November 28, 1994.


Here's an example of his disregard for environmental control if it interferes with him personally..


WASHINGTON (July 23) - What's it take to float Vice President Al Gore's boat? 4 billion gallons of water, that's what - at a cost of more than $7.1 million. All for a good cause, however (at least according to the "environmentalist" Vice President), since it provided Gore a photo-opportunity to highlight a $100,000 grant to the Connecticut River Joint Commission.

According to The Washington Times and The Associated Press, the Secret Service and the Connecticut River Joint Commission directed Pacific Gas & Electric to unleash approximately 4 billion gallons of water yesterday into the Connecticut River so Gore's rowboat wouldn't get stuck during a 4-mile photo opportunity. The release of the 4 billion gallons from a dam upstream raised the level of the river by 8 to 10 inches, and has drawn the ire of environmental officials in the region.

"They won't release the water for the fish when we ask them to, but somehow they find themselves able to release it for a politician," said Vermont Department of Natural Resources Director John Kassel in The Times. Kassel, who accompanied Gore on the trip, said that "the only reason they did this was to make sure the Vice President's canoe didn't get stuck."

"It was a bit artificial, to be honest with you," Kassel told The Times. "But the river was pretty dry and no one wanted the canoes to be dragging on the bottom. Vice President Gore's people were concerned that we not raise the level too high, either, because they didn't want it to be dangerous."

"So much for the environmentalist Vice President," remarked Republican National Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson. Citing Gore's book, "Earth in the Balance," Nicholson recalled that Gore "once lectured us that 'increasing per capita use' of fresh water, combined with 'global climate change,' could lead to 'poverty, hunger, and disease,' 'revolutionary political disorder,' and 'wars fought over natural resources like fresh water.'" ("Earth in the Balance," pp. 111, 113, 279)

According to revised federal standards contained in the 1992 National Energy Policy Act and supported by the Clinton-Gore administration, toilets manufactured after 1994 must have a maximum capacity of 1.6 gallons. Under those standards, Nicholson jokingly noted, Gore's 4 billion gallon photo-opportunity wasted the equivalent of 2.5 billion toilet flushes, or 2,110 flushes for each of New Hampshire's 1,185,000 residents.

According to water usage rates published by the Pennichuck Water Works, Inc., which serves the region the value of the 4 billion gallons wasted was approximately $7.1 million, Nicholson said.

http://hench.net/GoreGoof.htm


Add that to the power usage in  his house, which rivals the amount small towns use, and do you really think he cares about the environment and carbon emmisions, except for a way to make millions?

It's sad that this kind of person can have so many supporters when he should be laughed at,and wuld be except for politics.
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“The CRU has been a major source of data on global temperatures, relied on by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. But the e-mails suggest that CRU scientists have been suppressing and misstating data and working to prevent the publication of conflicting views in peer-reviewed science periodicals. Some of the more pungent e-mails:

"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

"Can you delete any e-mails you may have had with Keith re AR4?"

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty we can't."

"I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU temperature station data. Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act!"

You get the idea. The most charitable plausible explanation I have seen comes from the Atlantic's Megan McArdle. "The CRU's main computer model may be, to put it bluntly, complete rubbish."

Australian geologist Ian Plimer, a global warming skeptic, is more blunt. The e-mails "show that data was massaged, numbers were fudged, diagrams were biased, there was destruction of data after freedom of information requests, and there was refusal to submit taxpayer-funded date for independent examination."

Global warming alarmist George Monbiot of the Guardian concedes that the e-mails "could scarcely be more damaging," adding, "I'm dismayed and deeply shaken by them." He has called for the resignation of the CRU director.

All of which brings to mind the old computer geek's phrase: Garbage in, garbage out.

The Copenhagen climate summit was convened to get the leaders of nations to commit to sharp reductions in carbon dioxide emissions -- and thus sharp reductions in almost all energy usage, at huge economic cost -- in order to prevent disasters that supposedly were predicted with absolute certainty by a scientific consensus.

But that consensus was based in large part on CRU data that was, to take the charitable explanation, "complete rubbish" or, to take the more dire view, the product of deliberate fraud.

Quite possibly the CRU e-mailers were sincere in their belief that they were saving the planet. Like Al Gore, they wanted to convince the world's elites that the time for argument is over, the scientific consensus is clear and those who disagree can be dismissed as cranks (and should be disqualified from receiving research grants). If they had to cut a few corners, well, you have to break eggs to make an omelette.

For those of us who have long suspected that constructing scientific models of climate and weather is an enormously complex undertaking quite possibly beyond the capacity of current computer technology, the CRU e-mails are not so surprising.

Do we really suppose that anyone can construct a database of weather observations for the entire planet and its atmosphere adequate to make confident predictions of weather and climate 60 years from now? Predictions in which we have enough confidence to impose enormous costs on the American and world economies?

Copenhagen, despite Barack Obama's presence, seems sure to be a bust; there will be no agreement on mandatory limits on carbon emissions. Even if there were, it would probably turn out to be no more effective than the limits others agreed to in Kyoto in 1997. In any case, China and India are not going to choke off their dazzling economic growth to please Western global warming alarmists. “

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Global-warming-co nsensus_-garbage-in_-garbage-out-8595100-76438787.html


And let’s remember that not everyone including the Russians and Canadians
are part of this “consensus that obviates debate:

http://www.energyendgame.com/Cooling.htm


Their short answer would be:  “It’s the sun stupid!”
Let’s make very sure the sky is really falling only and retrievably
because of the West, (not the Chinese or Indians who aren’t
going to keep the overwhelming majority of their billion
plus populations at plows behind cows just to please us), before
we do things that make ordinary Americans and Brits wish it was.
Or is that too much to ask.


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     hench.net is a highly partisan web site which makes no particular effort to be objective.  It is biased enough to feature an animated elephant letting off hot air every few seconds.  The elephant, for some reason, is colored red, white and blue, with stars.  It's difficult to tell which are half-truths and which are outright lies in this mishmash, and separation of either of those from the distortions and smears  seems almost impossible.  Added to the statements that are fabricated or are taken out of context, the whole site is dubious to say the least.

     When you quote propaganda sites, of course, that's the sort of thing you get.

     Why not simply go for conservative sites that actually employ fact checkers, such as The Economist, or more of less neutral sites, or sites which have a commitment to telling the truth, such as The Christian Science Monitor.  There are so many places out there where you won't run into this sort of problem.  

     But then, you won't find most of them saying the sort of things you have put into your postings over and over again.  

     They won't be things that I would necessarily agree with, mind you, but I'd have to admit that there was some piece of good solid well crafted reportage to them, that the facts were at least well researched and that the story emerged out of the research, rather than the research emerging out of some attempt to support a rumor of dubious reality in the first place.

     If I were going to nominate folks for lying, Al Gore wouldn't be very high on my list.  I wouldn't have to go back that far.  The names Cheney and Bush would come to mind much more quickly, who got the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water raised as an example of their environmental policy, and refused to even talk seriously about environmental issues for their tenure in office, and who refused to get power plants to install more scrubbing on their smoke stacks.  They support "The New Clean Coal" when it's that same dirty old coal it always was with a nifty new name.  Those of us who grew up in Steel towns can tell you how great those coal fumes were for everybody's lung health.

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  If I were going to nominate folks for lying, Al Gore wouldn't be very high on my list.  I wouldn't have to go back that far.  The names Cheney and Bush would come to mind much more quickly

Now why doesn't that shock me???

Believe me, Bob, if Gore would not be high on your list, with all of the lies he has told (well documented) then you are simply showing how your political bias overcomes everything else, which is actually sad.

I can honestly say (and you are free to disbelieve) that if Gore were a republican, with his record and actions, I would feel exactly the same way about him. It's too bad you can't see the man for what he is, besides being a democrat, which seems to be the only criteria that matters to you.
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Here's a small example of the man who would not  be high on your list, Bob. There are plenty of other examples....


# August 28, 1996: The Democratic National Convention in Chicago.  Gore makes a moving speech about his sister's death in 1984 from cancer which, he claims, spurred him to wage war on the tobacco industry.  However, while running for president in 1988, Gore told an audience of tobacco farmers, "I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I've hoed it. I've dug in it. I've sprayed it, I've chopped it, I've shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it."  He also received thousands of dollars in PAC money from tobacco companies after the death of his sister in 1984 and accepted federal subsidies for the tobacco grown on his farm.

# January 24, 1997:  On NBC's Today Show Gore said, "I did not know that it was a fundraiser." When referring to the Buddhist Temple fundraiser in California.  In fact, a DNC memo prepared for Gore made plain that the event at Hsi Lai Temple in Hacienda Heights, Calif., was a fundraiser. A Secret Service document called it a fundraiser, Gore¹s staff described the event as a fundraiser to reporters, and DNC chairman Don Fowler testified to the Senate that he knew "there was a fundraising aspect to this event."  Six weeks before attending the event, Gore met with temple master Hsing Yun at the White House with fundraisers Maria Hsia and John Huang. Later that day, Gore sent an e-mail saying that he couldn't be in New York on April 28, 1996: "If we have already booked the fundraisers [in California], then we have to decline."

# December 1997: Gore tells Time's Karen Tumulty that he and Tipper were the inspiration for Erich Segal's novel 'Love Story.'  Erich Segal has disputed that claim.

June 16, 1999:  "Halfway through this century,'' Gore said, in declaring his candidacy, ''when my father saw that thousands of his fellow Tennesseans were forced to obey Jim Crow laws, he knew America could do better. He saw a horizon in which his black and white constituents shared the same hopes in the same world.''  It was a moving tribute, but with a notable omission: The elder Gore voted against the landmark civil rights legislation of his time, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which repudiated the Jim Crow laws.  Boston Globe, 4/11/00

    * October 21, 1999:  The Nashville Scene compiled a list of quotes from Spotted Al on his tour of duty in Vietnam.  Keep in mind that he was a newspaper reporter and never saw any action.

* "I took my turn regularly on the perimeter in these little firebases out in the boonies. Something would move, we'd fire first and ask questions later."
--Gore to Vanity Fair magazine

* "I was shot at. I spent most of my time in the field."
--Gore to the Washington Post

* "I carried an M-16. I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and walked through the elephant grass and I was fired upon."
--Gore to the Baltimore Sun

* "I used to fly these things with the doors open, sitting on the ledge with our feet
hanging down. If you flew low and fast, they wouldn't have as much time to shoot you."
--Gore, to the Weekly Standard magazine, describing flights aboard combat helicopters  

#
November, 1999:  In a Time Magazine interview, Spotted Al commented on opponent Bill Bradley's idea to expand the Earned Income Tax Credit.  "I was the author of that proposal. I wrote that, so I say, welcome aboard. That is something for which I have been the principal proponent for a long time."  The problem is, the EITC became law in 1975, a year before Al was even elected to Congress.
#
November 24, 1999: According to the New York Times, Al Gore claimed he had sponsored the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill. "Unlike Senator Bradley, I was a co-sponsor of it."  The fact is, Gore and Russell Feingold never served together in the Senate. Gore later admitted to the Times that his comment "was a mistake . . . [W]hat I meant to say was that I supported that."

February 20, 2000: New York Times reported that Gore said he has 'always, always, always' supported Roe v. Wade.  In 1977, Rep. Gore voted for the Hyde Amendment, which says that abortion 'takes the life of an unborn child who is a living human being,' and that there is no constitutional right to abortion.  He cast many other
votes favorable to the pro-life cause and earned an 84 percent rating from the National Right to Life Committee.  He also sent a letter to his constituents insisting that he was pro-life.

September 19, 2000: Addressing a Teamsters meeting, Gore spoke of lullabies from his youth and sang, "Look for the union label."  The song was written in 1975, when Gore was 27. (USA Today) http://www.philvalentine.com/spottedal.htm
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LONDON – Britain's University of East Anglia says the director of its prestigious Climatic Research Unit is stepping down pending an investigation into allegations that he overstated the case for man-made climate change.

The university says Phil Jones will relinquish his position until the completion of an independent review into allegations that he worked to alter the way in which global temperature data was presented.

The allegations were made after more than a decade of correspondence between leading British and U.S. scientists were posted to the Web following the security breach last month.

The e-mails were seized upon by some skeptics of man-made climate change as proof that scientists are manipulating the data about its extent.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091201/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_climate_hacked_e_mails

Good....
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Two senators on Tuesday gave a boost to next week's global environmental summit in Copenhagen, with a senior Democrat advocating more U.S. funding of climate change efforts by poor nations and a key Republican calling for quick action on a U.S. climate bill.

Democratic Senator John Kerry, a leading advocate of climate control legislation in Congress, recommended that the Obama administration include $3 billion in next year's budget to help fund efforts to address global warming. This year's funding is about one third that amount.

Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the few Republicans willing to negotiate with Democrats on a climate change bill, told Reuters, "I think we need to act by next spring" to pass a bill limiting U.S. carbon dioxide emissions.

Graham also said it is time for the U.S. business community to get behind such an effort. "Business has to weigh in here," Graham said in an interview.

"The environmental community is becoming very reasonable," Graham added, by signaling its openness to more offshore oil and gas drilling and expanded nuclear power.

"The business community has to tell the Congress we need certainty, we need a system that gives us markers to work toward," Graham said, referring to climate change legislation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091201/pl_nm/us_climate_usa_finance_4

Another 3 billion? Well, why not? Let the spending continue....even on fantasies.
 
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