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50 posted 10-16-2009 09:10 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

"But, again, our country is great because people can say what they think and they believe, but I also think that they have to take responsibility for any incitement that they may cause.

Nice Pelosi comment...where exactly was she when the thousands of Bush protesters were waving their "Kill Bush" posters in demonstrations? Her crocodile tears are as fake as she is.

Just because statements cannot be validated doesn't mean they didn't happen? Oh, man...can I use  that line in the future????
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Dear Mike,

          References on those "Thousands of Bush protestors waving 'Kill Bush' signs," please?

     Preferably from some neutral source, or, say, The Economist or The Christian Science Monitor or The Washington Post?

     And it really wouldn't have hurt too badly to have included them when you made the allegation, you know?

Sincerely, Bob Kaven
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Oh nuts:
I just got word today I'm going to be working from home on a 400 hour project.
Great news for my bank account,
but regretfully, I won't be able to spend time here like I thought.

Y'all are wonderful in your pursuit of knowledge and the deeper story of the news.  Keep up your quests.  You have my admiration for your digging and strong sense of purpose.  

Never take anything at face value!  

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Not allegations, Bob...facts..and they already have been displayed here. They were in a video in the thread where Jennifer was defending Rhodes Scholar Rachel...perhaps you missed it?
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Here, Bob, I'll save you the trouble of looking for it..
http://politicalintegritynow.com/2009/09/still-think-socialist-is-the-new-n-word-watch-this-video-and-you-wont/
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quote:

Not allegations, Bob...facts..and they already have been displayed here. They were in a video in the thread where Jennifer was defending Rhodes Scholar Rachel...perhaps you missed it?




Dear Mike,

          Actually, I did miss it.  But having looked at it, I didn't see "thousands of protesters" waving kill Bush signs, and if you are making reference to the same video, Mike, neither did you.  I saw perhaps ten such signs, for which I feel the same disapproval I feel for seeing the same sort of signs directed at Obama.  I think incitement to violence is disgusting, no matter who does it.

     I saw a lot of comparisons of Bush to Hitler.  I believe there are grounds to make that comparison, while there are not such grounds with Obama.  I understand you disagree with me.

1)  Pursuit of a policy of preemptive aggression, as was Bush's policy with Iraq, was an echo of Hitler's foreign policy.  It does not mark Obama's.

2)  Fabrication of excuses for aggression against an enemy already chosen for attack, as was Bush's policy with Iraq and his his  fabrication of such items as armed killer drones already tested by Saddam Hussein; fabrication of close relationships with Al Qaida within Iraq itself; fabrication of meetings with Al Qaida operatives in foreign countries; fabrication of connection between Iraq and the World Trade Center bombers; fabrication of data about yellow cake uranium; fabrication about data on steel tubing — the purpose of all of this being to build a convincing case for invasion of Iraq.

     Hitler also indulged in such fabrications, most notably the staging of  phony cross border raids by Poles on German radio stations that Hitler used as justification for the invasion of Poland.

     Obama has done nothing like this in his foreign policy.  Indeed, he has been somewhat on the slow side to push for more troop movement into new territory.  This has its own problems, admittedly, but it is not part of a fascist pattern, is it?

3)  Both Hitler and Bush made hash out of the Geneva conventions.  Both Hitler and Bush made active use of torture in their contact with civilian populations.  Bush did this notably in his early contacts in Iraq, when he had Iraqis arrested on suspicion of being connected with with Al Qaida.  There was apparently no Al Qaida presence in Iraq at all for at least a few years after that point, and then only in the form of a localized resistance movement.  Al Qaida and the local religious structure, it appears, were almost completely at odds; they hated each other.


     All those arrested by the Bush administration on suspicion of being part of Al Qaida, therefore, were innocent.  Those that were tortured served to alienate the other Iraqis against us, and to qualify President Bush, like Hitler, as a war criminal.  Neither one, of course, has been brought to trial.

     In the course of this particular war, the number of civilian casualties has been terrible.  Some estimates have placed them on the low side as being at about 35,000 killed.  More reputable estimates have gone to more than 20 times that number.  Lancet has published some of the figures, though the figures are now old; you could check them if you wish.  This doesn't actually qualify as genocide, of which hitler was guilty.  It does qualify as something like mass murder.

     There is no evidence that Obama is guilty of any such thing at this point in his administration.

4)  Both Hitler and Bush were radical right wing politicians.  Obama is center-left.

     I think the comparisons could go on, but I believe I've made my point.

     To call for anybody's death is an incitement to violence, and I believe it to be wrong, whether it is Bush or Obama.  I frankly have my personal doubts about Hitler as well, though I understand that such a stand makes me a very unpopular fellow indeed.  I base my doubts on what I believe to be my basic inability to actually go ahead and actually damage another person, no matter how much I dislike them.  I don't know if this is a basic moral position or not for me, I simply have never been able to do it.  I lack the hate necessary to overcome my empathy.

     Anyway, the facts that you assert have not, by my examination, proven to be facts.  While the video was filled with lots of images equating Bush and Hitler, lots and lots and lots of images, there were only about ten of the actual death comments.  There weren't even enough to equal the number of equations with Hitler, Mike.

    I think it must have felt like there were "thousands"of death threat waving protesters when you saw the video, Mike, But there were only about ten repulsive signs.  I haven't kept track of the ones directed at Obama.  I don't watch that much tv news.

Sincerely, Bob Kaven


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I saw a lot of comparisons of Bush to Hitler.  I believe there are grounds to make that comparison, while there are not such grounds with Obama.

What an incredible surprise, Bob....not. It is always different in your eyes when it is a republican on one side and a democrat on the other. You are contradicting your party's leaders, like Pelosi, Reid, and Clinton, who make the claim that NO president should have such a comparison made, that it is  un-American and can promote violence. You want to believe that Bush was Hitler-esque, you are simply showing your true colors of complete bias, with little regard for what's right.

So it's the "thousands" you have a problem with? That was one protest, one group of people. As you well know there were hundreds of such protests such as that during that time. Multiply the number of signs there times the number of protests and thousands might even be a low number.

Your attempt at justification for such despicability is really quite appaling, sir.
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Glenn Beck is a true watch dog of those in power. We need more folks like him who tell it like it is, without fear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiBDpL2dExY&feature=player_embedded
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Dear Mike,

          Sir, is it now?  Wow!

    You might consider that when you use modifiers like "always," you set yourself a standard that is very difficult to match.  Such a standard requires you to show each and every instance to have followed your described path, while only requiring the other party to show a single instance of exception to prove your assertion — at the least — overblown rhetoric.  Why set yourself up in such a precarious position?

quote:

It is always different in your eyes when it is a republican on one side and a democrat on the other.



     You may remember that I acknowledged that the Republican relief package late in the last presidency was something that I may not have liked, but which was probably correct.  You may also have noticed, more recently, that I approved of President Bush's senior's tax hike late in his term.  It may have not been good for his re-election chances, but I thought it both courageous and necessary for the good of the country.  Of course you refused to respond to the meat of that posting, so perhaps you ignored it so completely you erased it from your mind.

     You have there two examples, not one, of Republican things that I have approved of.  Just to be nice, I will add a third — Ike Eisenhower's speech asking us to beware of the military industrial complex.


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You are contradicting your party's leaders, like Pelosi, Reid, and Clinton, who make the claim that NO president should have such a comparison made, that it is  un-American and can promote violence.



     Why would I be concerned to be contradicting my Party's leaders, Mike?  They may think that it is unfair for any president to have such a comparison to be made.  I think that if the areas of comparison are clear and may be examined by everybody so that everybody can make up their own mind, why not?  Republican claims that Obama is like Hitler have no basis in fact — wrong political ideology, wrong set of values.  Anybody with a decent grasp of history should be reasonably clear about that.

     When I made my comparison, I was very specific about the basis for comparison.  Would you care to debate the truth of any of the similarities I pointed out between the two men, Hitler and Bush, and the lack of similarities between Bush and Obama on the same points?  That would be an interesting discussion, I believe.

     To make the comparison between Bush and Hitler is hardly an incitement to violence.  Mr. Bush is well out of office and there is no drum beat of propaganda being directed at him encouraging people to take his life now, in the present.  That pressure is off Mr. Bush, while it is very much on Mr. Obama.  If you are not aware of this, then I am amazed.  The pressure was on Mr. Bush while he was in office, and off Mr. Clinton in terms of threat level.  It is sitting Presidents that seem to be mostly on the hot seat; to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

     To make a comparison between Obama and Hitler is an incitement to violence because he is in office.  This has nothing to do with party and everything to do with the expectations people place on leadership.  

quote:

You want to believe that Bush was Hitler-esque, you are simply showing your true colors of complete bias, with little regard for what's right.



1)  How would you know what I want to believe.  Have you been granted mind-reading powers?  You are making an asserting that you cannot hope to prove.

2)     In fact, I wanted to believe that Bush was a "compassionate conservative," as he advertised himself.  I had hoped that he would be, though I thought he would not be.

3)     "Complete bias" is another of those absolutes that I pointed out above.  To have a bias is necessary; it comes from having a past and a point of view, though it's not a bad idea to try to compensate for it when gathering facts.
A "complete bias" may be as hard to prove as "always different."  You would have to prove, as I said above, that I was 100% biased in each and every instance.

     I must say that you have left yourself an out by not specifying what I am completely biased about.  This makes the sentence fairly confusing.  I suspect that you mean biased against Bush and his likeness to Hitler. Once again, at the risk of sounding repetitive, I was very specific about the basis for my comparison.  I didn't compare them on the basis of love of dogs because that isn't particularly to the point (Hitler and Bush both loved  dogs and, near as I can tell, so does Obama — so what?).
I tried to keep the comparisons brief and to the point.

     Which ones do you think are false, and why?

     If you are unwilling to risk specifying what the right grounds of comparison should be — and you do remember, don't you, that I included Mr. Obama in the comparison as well — it seems that your objections simply don't float.

     You do remember that I put Obama in there as well, right?  Because I don't see you objecting to that.

Sincerely, Bob Kaven
  
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Glenn Beck is a true watch dog of those in power. We need more folks like him who tell it like it is, without fear


I think Beck is funny too Denise. That semi-evangelical tone he manages to get into his act is hilarious and some of the wacky, weird and wonderful conspiracy theories his scriptwriters come up with deserve some sort of award. I especially like the way that he takes a whole bunch of unconnected half-truths and builds a parody of a news story around them.

And that fake crying - absolutely priceless.

I've been sending links to all my friends since I stumbled on his video clips and we've been swapping our favourite funny moments - we don't get comedy shows like this on UK terrestrial television.

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To make a comparison between Obama and Hitler is an incitement to violence because he is in office.

I see..did you claim that it was an incitement to violence when Bush was in office being compared to Hitler? I don't recall your saying anything about that.

If you are going to condone comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler and give points to indicate you believe it to be true, don't ask me why I consider you biased. You prove it with your own words.

The fake crying, grinch? I agree!!! Oh, wait...I thought you were talking about Pelosi
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     There you go, Mike.  You really should read the entire posting before you respond.

     I compared both Bush and Obama.

     You saw only Bush.  That is a definition of bias.
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     You, Mike, I've spoken to people about my feelings about threats to sitting Presidents going as far back as Johnson and including Bush Junior.  You shouldn't assume that my conversations with you and that my conversations in writing are the only conversations I have.  I am against incitements to violence and threats in general.  I am as close to a pacifist as most folks I know.  I went to Friends Meetings for years and I worked with American Friends Service Committee on and off.  Not that this is actually any of your business.
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I compared both Bush and Obama.

Yes, you did, bob. Your comparison was that Bush was similar to Hitler and Obama wasn't. That was your comparison.

You, Mike, I've spoken to people about my feelings about threats to sitting Presidents going as far back as Johnson and including Bush Junior.

Fine, Bob, but you certainly haven't here. You spoken of threats to Obama but I don't see anywhere where you showed any concern or disdain for threats to Bush. Maybe I missed them somewhere...
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Short memory, Mike.  You haven't been reading this thread again.  Nor am I obligated to report my conversations with friend to you, though apparently you believe I am.

     You still haven't dealt with the actual comparisons because I don't believe you actually can; you seem to want to try to substitute dealing with the substance of what I'm saying with a series of personal attacks on me.  You might actually try to deal with the validity of of the comparisons.  Did Bush contravene the Geneva conventions?  Did Bush invent excuses to invade other countries.  Did Bush torture civilians, hold them without trial, and cause numbers of them to to die as a result of the policies that he and his subordinates put into practice?  Did Obama, or Does he?  How about Hitler?

     Don't tell me the comparison is terrible:  Tell me that there is no factual basis for it.

     We agree the comparison is terrible.  I say there is a factual basis and you remain fixed on directing the discussion elsewhere rather than answering the question of the factuality of the comparison.  It sounds like hollow rhetoric to me.  I don't mean rhetoric, which has some point to it in building a point; I mean hollow rhetoric, which functions as a distraction or diversion.

     The comparison is terrible because it is accurate, to my mind, and you have not offered evidence to the contrary; you have only suggested that I am a wretched person for saying it out loud.  Give me clear evidence that I am wrong and I will say I am wrong; but it needs to be pretty clear and convincing, not these attacks on me personally for improper commentary about a man who has an awful lot of blood on his hands.

     Saying I see the blood is not improper.  Saying that the way the blood got there is very much the same as the way that Hitler got blood on his hands is not improper.  I did not say that Bush was genocidal.  If you'll read what I said above, I excluded that.  He did not try to wipe out any races or religions, nor did I claim that the comparison went that far.  I made no claim that the comparison went any further than the points I raised specifically.

     If you wish to dispute the factual basis of those, please dispute away.  Bush fit, Obama does not.

    
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I believe I mentioned some of the stuff I spoke of the in above posting in my posting # 58.  It may be that you thought avoiding actually addressing the point of my remarks would be more to your advantage.  I repeat them for you again here.  

     I have high hopes that you may actually address them this time, telling me why my comparisons were inaccurate or false rather than why you believe I was a biased or bad person for for attempting to make what I believe to be accurate observations.

     If you were writing to inform, I have gotten the message that you think I was being bad; I simply don't agree with you.  If you wish to teach, then you'll have to work a bit harder to explain where I have my facts wrong, and you'll have to do it with a bit less spleen, which I find distracting and painful.  If you have some other reason, I'd enjoy knowing what that might be.


quote:
     I must say that you have left yourself an out by not specifying what I am completely biased about.  This makes the sentence fairly confusing.  I suspect that you mean biased against Bush and his likeness to Hitler. Once again, at the risk of sounding repetitive, I was very specific about the basis for my comparison.  I didn't compare them on the basis of love of dogs because that isn't particularly to the point (Hitler and Bush both loved  dogs and, near as I can tell, so does Obama — so what?).
I tried to keep the comparisons brief and to the point.

     Which ones do you think are false, and why?

     If you are unwilling to risk specifying what the right grounds of comparison should be — and you do remember, don't you, that I included Mr. Obama in the comparison as well — it seems that your objections simply don't float.

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Bob, if you think I am seriously going to debate whether Bush is comparable to Hitler, you are really out in left field. The only thing more distasteful than hearing you do it is participating in it.

One can make any comparisons one wants and make them fit. I could compare Obama to Al Capone, I suppose, to play that game. Both from Chicago is a valid start. I'm sure I could go through Capone's history and come up with a variety of things I could twist to fit some Obama actions. Does that mean I think Obama is similar to Al Capone? Does that mean I condone anyone carrying a sign that says "Obama is Al Capone!"? Nope, and anyone who compares Bush to the worst mass murderer in history does not get my participation or even my attention...
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Was the Van Jones situation a conspiracy theory, Grinch? Were the revelations of ACORN employees giving out tax evasion advice a conspiracy theory? Or was the revelation that most of Obama's advisors are either communists, marxists, and/or Castro, Chavez and Mao admirerers (backed up with audio and video)?

The administration has not refuted any of the specific allegations, other to have Anita Dunn say that Fox dispenses misinformation, but doesn't say exactly what that misinformation is. If Beck is wrong about any of his allegations they should prove him wrong.

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Has Hitler got his own talk-radio program now? I must have missed that.

Now that's a host that would change the whole concept of football as America knows it. The Nazi Football League. NO questions bout racism there...

Great comparisons, Mr. Bob.

What about the implications of fascism right here in our face on our own soil?

Obama doesn't own the means of GM production, but he sure has his hands in the takeover of the company's leadership, structure, objectives, & security....which is not very capitalistic, is it?

which is the same thing he wants to do with a health care program. On an incremental level many capitalistic values can be harmed with a single-party means to an end we won't see an end to unless we can find real health care objectives that will work for all.

just my ramble on this cold Oct. morn.
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Was the Van Jones situation a conspiracy theory, Grinch?


Yes.

Here's a Beck clip. In it he's trying to sell the inane theory that Van Jones was conspiring to turn America into a communist state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo46e8OHd9U

I've never heard such twaddle. Beck took a speech where Van Jones was making a point that the energy system needs to be reformed - that twiddling around with bits of it wasn't the answer - the whole system needs to be changed.

And what did Beck the Belligerent try to turn it into? Van Jones wants to change the American political system into a Communist system.

As conspiracy theories go it's pretty weak - all you have to do is listen to the speech and it's clear what Van Jones was actually saying. That you can't fix the problems inherent in the energy system without addressing the whole system - putting a solar panel on a bulldozer then using it to flatten half the rainforests of South and Central America isn't a solution.

A communist plot to change America? - If you're wearing a tin foil hat it might sound convincing but in the real world?

It was quite funny though, and at least he didn't cry.

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“So if I understand correctly:

Rush Limbaugh is so “divisive” that to get him fired leftie agitators have to invent racist soundbites to put in his mouth.

But the White House communications director is so un-divisive that she can be invited along to recommend Chairman Mao as a role model for America’s young.

From my unscientific survey, U.S. school students are all but entirely unaware of Mao Tse-Tung, and the few that aren’t know him mainly as a T-shirt graphic or “agrarian reformer.” What else did he do? Here, from Jonathan Fenby’s book Modern China, is the great man in a nutshell:

“Mao’s responsibility for the extinction of anywhere from 40 to 70 million lives brands him as a mass killer greater than Hitler or Stalin.”

Hey, that’s pretty impressive when they can’t get your big final-score death toll nailed down to closer than 30 million. Still, as President Obama’s communications director might say, he lived his dream, and so can you, although if your dream involves killing, oh, 50–80 million Chinamen, you may have your work cut out. But let’s stick with the Fenby figure: He killed 40–70 million Chinamen. Whoops, can you say “Chinamen” or is that racist? Oh, and sexist. So hard keeping up with the Sensitivity Police in this pansified political culture, isn’t it? But you can kill 40–70 million Chinamen and that’s fine and dandy: You’ll be cited as an inspiration by the White House to an audience of high-school students. You can be anything you want to be! Look at Mao: He wanted to be a mass murderer, and he lived his dream! You can too!”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzIxZDJhNTk2ZWQwNmYzOTI3ZmIwMDcyYzhlNzVjNzc=

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I don't want Van Jones or any other communists like him to take over ANY industries in this country, Grinch.

Obama said during the campaign to judge him by those he surrounds himself with. Well, I think we have much to be concerned about with the cast of characters surrounding him in the White House.
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I don't want Van Jones or any other communists like him to take over ANY industries in this country, Grinch.


As there's no evidence to suggest that anything of the sort was, or is, going to happen your claim of an imminent and clear threat doesn't hold much water. I'll file it under "unsubstantiated accusation". Right next to the insistence that we're all going to get abducted by aliens and the claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.



Unless, of course, you have some evidence I haven't seen. Some real evidence. If that's the case, as always, I'm happy to listen to it and offer an opinion.

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I don't want Van Jones or any other communist/marxist 'completely changing' the whole system of ANY industry, whether it's the energy system, the education system, the broadcast and internet industries, the banks, the mortgage companies, the insurance industry, the car industry, the healthcare industry, or the health insurance industry. I don't even want them twiddling around the edges of them.
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Just because statements cannot be validated doesn't mean they didn't happen? Oh, man...can I use  that line in the future????



Sure thing Mike.  Provided that you use them in context along with the caveat that they are rendered irrelevant.  

Especially in this case where Limbaugh himself acknowledges he made the 'take the bone out of your nose' comment.

Nobody needs make things up to prove Rush is a racist.  The public record has all it needs.
 
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