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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_nobel_peace

President Obama has been awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize... for what?
Oh, wait... let's turn to the ticker tape...

"...his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples..."

Well, doesn't that just sound so sweet? I only have one small challenge with that (OK... I have a HUGE challenge with that):
He took office less than two weeks before the nomination deadline, and had done NOTHING to deserve the nomination or the award.

Now, before the partisan arguments start, let me offer the following:
I supported President Carter's award because he worked his backside off bringing peace to the Middle East, and brokering an agreement between Israel and Egypt. He put his reputration on the line trying to bring peace to such places as Haiti and North Korea... and he won it after almost 30 years of working to bring peace to the world.

Al Gore didn't (in my eyes) deserve the award he got; however, he had been working for many years to educate people about the ecology crisis as he saw it. I can understand why they gave it to him.

They were BOTH Democrats. This particular Democrat was nominated because of things he WANTED to do. I would like to cure cancer... give me the Nobel Prize for medicine.

Here are a few of the nomiees that have been revealed:
French President Sarkozy: Although, he hasn't really been toom successful, he has worked very hard to bring peace to Georgia and to Gaza.

Denis Mukwege: a doctor who is working in war torn Congo to give medical care to women in a very difficult situation, regardless of their nationality or politics.

Handicap International and The Cluster Munition Coalition: Attempting to rid the world of mines and cluster bombs, and to take care of the victims of such weapons

With nominees like this who have been working for years to make this a better world, the Norwegians give the prize to someone who wanted to do something good??

Give me a break.

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“February – Deadline for submission. The Committee bases its assessment on nominations that must be postmarked no later than 1 February each year. Nominations postmarked and received after this date are included in the following year's discussions.”

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html


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Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.

Still, the U.S. remains at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Congress has yet to pass a law reducing carbon emissions and there has been little significant reduction in global nuclear stockpiles since Obama took office.

"So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far. He is still at an early stage. He is only beginning to act," said former Polish President Lech Walesa, a 1983 Nobel Peace laureate.

Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, which are awarded by Swedish institutions, the peace prize is given out by a five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Like the Parliament, the committee has a leftist slant, with three members elected by left-of-center parties. Jagland said the decision to honor Obama was unanimous.


You expected something different, Ringo? After Gore got it for his ficticious scenarios designed to make him rich, the Peace prize lost it's validity.

It's like giving a Little League player the National League MVP trophy because they want to encourage him to do well. Everything is politics these days.

Maybe Norway should change it's name by removing the "r".
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Kool-aid?

Let me guess, the flavor must be sour grapes?
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LOL! I was waiting for the sour grapes from someone...didn't know it would be you, Ron

Actually, I don't have anything derrogatory to say about Obama in this instance. He did not go out and campaign for this honor. As far as I know, Michelle didn't claim that her poor childhood was reason enough to give Obama the Peace prize. (Maybe she learned her lesson at the Olympics).

The joke of it all lies with the selection committee who decided that a one-term congressman with two weeks in the White House was qualified for such an honor. It's almost as silly as the Democratic party listening to one smooth speech and deciding he would make a good president.

It's pretty much a slap in the face to the candidates who have been out there for years actually doing something worthwhile in the name of peace. History of the award, however, does indicate that any American president with socialistic leanings is viewed very favorably by the committee.

Obviously the award is based on what they hope Obama will do in the future and not what he has done up to now, which is not much. Actually it may not be as easy for Obama, carrying an undeserved title and dealing with people who know the title is undeserved. Let's hope that, at some point in time, he will actually deserve it.

Come to think of it, maybe the Peace prize IS an appropriate award. Under his presidency, government has taken a piece of the banking industry, a piece of the automobile industry, a piece of the housing industry and are attempting to take over a piece of the health care industry...maybe THAT'S what they meant!
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Actually, Obama was very honest in saying that the award was not for him but it was a call to action to move toward world peace.

Apparently now the prizes are given, not for past accomplishments, but for what the winner may do in the future.

In that case, the Nobel prize for medicine can go to the doctors who may come up with cures for cancer or Literature to an author who may write and extroadinary book in the future. It's a brave new world indeed....
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How to Win the Nobel Peace Prize In 12 Days

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/09/tommy-seno-obama-nobel-prize-win/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31nqvyBTWis&feature=player_embedded#


I especially appreciated a remark by a
Washington Post commentator on NPR who
said he was disappointed that Obama
didn't win all the Nobel Prizes since he
gave speeches on all the categories involved.

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“The Obama Prize


The award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama is an outstanding example of European anti-Americanism. The Norwegian prize givers are evidently full of glee because in their view Obama is diminishing the standing of the United States all over the world, surrendering power on multiple fronts, abandoning missile shields in Central Europe, hesitating to reinforce the mission in Afghanistan, buckling to Iran, and much more of that kind in prospect. The motive for encouraging all possible American retreats is almost wholly malicious, spiteful. Europeans are all too well aware that their own continent is going fast down a slippery slope towards a total loss of power, with immense social and political trials in store. It becomes unbearable for them to observe the strength and vitality of the United States, that upstart who made its way by rejecting Europe in the first place. Few will say so, but most will be gloating that this award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Obama may look like rewarding a president but actually is a rebuke, even an insult, to the American nation. Obama would be wise to refuse the prize.”


http://pryce-jones.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY4OTViNTMxMDI4Zjk5NDE0YjMwNDI1ZjdlM2 I1NTc=

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Well, what amusing news to wake up to.

Um, this hurts the United States how?

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“Even the Nobel committee’s citation does not pretend Barack Obama has actually achieved anything. Rather, it was given to him “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.” That’s efforts, not achievements.

Reading carefully through the entire citation suggests that Obama is being celebrated for two reasons. Its chatter about “a new climate,” the United Nations, a “vision of a world free from nuclear arms,” and “great climatic challenges” points to his being the anti-George W. Bush.

Second, the prize committee hopes to constrain Obama’s hands vis-à-vis Iran. It lauds him for not using force: “Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts.” This is obviously gibberish: Whereas Bush did not use force against North Korea, Obama does not rely on dialogue in Afghanistan. But the statement does pressure Obama not to use force in the theater that counts the most, namely the Iranian nuclear build-up.”

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDgzZGQxNjkzNzBkZDBmY2ZkYmVkZDFkMGRlMjFkMjI=

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091009/us_time/08599192939500
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     The right has taken another anti-Obama position.  Refusing the Nobel Peace Prize is certainly something they would advocate.  It is something that might potentially pay off in good will for the President and for the Democratic Party, and this is not the way that party politics is, for the most part played in this country.  Had the award gone to a Republican, I would be somewhat startled if there were not some grumblings on the left.  I know that when Henry Kissinger won the award in the early seventies, I did my share of grumbling.  In the long run, I think the Nobel committee was correct, even though I still am less than fond of Kissinger for reasons that are perhaps beyond the scope of these comments.

     I think they were also right to give it to President Obama, though in this case I think the award was more to the American people than it was to the President himself.  I think that as Americans we may have a limited understanding of what a nightmare these last two administrations have been for much of the rest of the world, and how far the high regard in which the world has generally held the United States has fallen during this same time period.  Many of my friends on the Right will either disagree with me or tell me that it doesn't matter; and that is their privilege.  My thinking is that the new Nobel Peace Prize is an acknowledgment that the United States is now attempting to rejoin the world community, and to build alliances within it instead of attempting to build an empire out of it.  I believe that the Nobel Committee is trying to extend the thanks of the world to the American people for rejecting the course of empire.

    That seems to me to be an explanation that would explain and justify the presentation of the Nobel Peace Prize in a way that makes adult sense out of the decision rather than an attempt to demean the prize and the people who have gotten it and the reasons for which it has been awarded.  I'd even rather think that Kissinger got it for a good reason, much as I disapprove of so much that Kissinger did.  I think this reasoning makes sense of the award to President Obama as well, as a stand-in for the wisdom of the American electorate.

Sincerely, Bob Kaven
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I've had some coffee now. Reading through all the reactions, compiled by Chris and Patrick, there are two obvious points: this is premature and this is thoroughly deserved.

Both are right. I don't think Americans fully absorbed the depths to which this country's reputation had sunk under the Cheney era. That's understandable. And so they also haven't fully absorbed the turn-around in the world's view of America that Obama and the American people have accomplished. Of course, this has yet to bear real fruit. But you can begin to see how it could; and I hope more see both the peaceful intentions and the steely resolve of this man to persevere.

This president has done a huge amount to bring race relations in this country to a different place, which is why the far right has become so vicious in attacking him and lying about him. They know he threatens their politics of division and rule. He has also directly addressed the Muslim world, telling some hard truths, and played a small role in evoking a similar movement of hope and change in Iran, and finally told the Israelis to stop cutting their nose off to spite their face.


--Andrew Sullivan

What is perhaps the most difficult thing to understand for some Americans is the difference between Barack Obama and George Bush. Those who don't understand will always be arguing against America whether they are on the right or the left. Such sides are of course irrelevant for those of us who love our country.

Bob got it right.

The only thing that matters for us is whether or not our country can survive the current crisis.

The distinction between black and white cannot disappear. It cannot disappear because somebody says so. As a foreigner living in another country (Korea), as a white man living in a country where most people are, by definition, racist: yes, there are times when I feel like Michael Jordan; there are times when I feel like Dred Scott.

Racism is a part of this world.

It is not particular to America.

What the prize shows yet again is that we, Americans, should lead the world.

That America is the great experiment that worked, is working, will work.

We are the future.

What I call the twenty-per-centers are people who simply do not have the ability to see the difference between what they think we were (an error, I assure you) and what we can be.

It is time, more than ever, for us to lead.

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All this . . . about the “world” as if it were some better higher grace
that the United States under Bush had fallen away from.  What
world, what country or countries  specifically are supposedly
the guiding light(s) we should be following back into the kingdom
of goodness?    


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Brad, Obama was not given the award for what he has accomplished regarding racial relations in the US. ctually, I can't think of anything he HAS done in that regard.

What the prize shows yet again is that we, Americans, should lead the world.

My opinion is what the prize shows is that we, America, should be more like Europe. I don't think they want America leading the world.

My thinking is that the new Nobel Peace Prize is an acknowledgment that the United States is now attempting to rejoin the world community,

Last time I checked, Bob, the Nobel prizes were given out for accomplishments, not attempts. I can't think of one given out for what someone MAY accomplish in the future, can you?

Perhaps major league baseball should give out the MVP award BEFORE the season starts, based on the player who shows the most promise, instead of expecting actual performance. That would be a good parallel to Obama receiving this award.

It's not difficult to understand you and grinch claiming it's a valid award, even though it's an award given, not for performance, but for hopeful expectations. It's also easy to understand the huge amount of shock felt around the world when Obama's name was announced.

My complaint is not with Obama. It's for a ridiculous organization that nominated a one-term senator with two weeks experience and no  accomplishments for the award. The prize has now become a joke thanks to their efforts.
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It's not difficult to understand you and grinch claiming it's a valid award


For the record Mike he wouldn't have been my choice, I can understand why he was chosen though.

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Of course....
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Dear Mike,

          Then you should look at the history of Nobel Peace Prizes more closely.  They have often been given to nudge processes along in the past.  Desmond Tutu was given his while South Africa was still segregated, for example.  The lady in Myanmar is still under house arrest.  It is possible that her Nobel peace prize is all that is keeping her alive.
I suggested that the Nobel awarded the President was more to the American people than to him personally.

     Thank you for your comment about the President, but it is at odds with far too many of your other comments about the President to  have the right sound without further clarification.  It sounds flat.

Yours, Bob Kaven
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Bob, Tutu was awarded the prize for work hed had done up to that point, whether or not  it was successful. The lady in Myanmar was considered for the work she had done, which caused her to be arrested. Show me one where no accomplishments had yet been made and the award given on expectations and hopes. You won't find one.

Please don't bother with talking about the award going to the American people instead of Obama. The name on the prize is Obama. Obama was the one nominated two weeks after being in  office. I realize that there aren't that many avenues of escape to choose from. The fact that Obama has no accomplishments up to now to warrant such an honor are irrefutable. One must suppose you feel the award goes to the American people because they elected Obama, the man who has no accomplishments to warrant such an award. Not even a good try, Bob....

My thoughts sounding flat to you are unintersting to me, sir. I stated them as honestly as I felt them without regard or concern how you would view them.
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It's not difficult to understand you and grinch claiming it's a valid award, even though it's an award given, not for performance, but for hopeful expectations.

What I think you're missing, Mike, is that your perspective of "performance" versus "hopeful expectations" is a false dichotomy.

Giving hope where there was none (or far too little) is no small accomplishment. Nor do I believe Obama's "performance" was necessarily judged by just two weeks in office. Critics may scoff at the Democratic Convention speech of 2006, but even they have to recognize how much that speech subsequently changed the entire world. No, the walls of racism and nationalism haven't fallen, and cynics like me have to wonder if they ever will, but Barack Obama has given a lot of people hope that maybe, just maybe, we can raise ourselves high enough to at least see what's on the other side. That hasn't happened in a very long time, Mike.

Peace on Earth would, of course, be wonderful. But the honest hope that real peace is at least possible? That's worth something, too.
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Critics may scoff at the Democratic Convention speech of 2006, but even they have to recognize how much that speech subsequently changed the entire world.

I doubt that speech changed the entire world, Ron. I would go so far as to say much of the entire world didn't even know of it's existence.What it changed was the Democratic party, thirsting for a viable presidential candidate. On the basis of that speech, they decided to disregard all lack of experience and baggage associated with him and make him their candidate. THAT fact may come to change the entire world.

but Barack Obama has given a lot of people hope that maybe, just maybe, we can raise ourselves high enough to at least see what's on the other side.

True enough, Ron, but, after giving hope, one has to follow through with something to keep that hope alive. As I see it, Obama has not done that. His cry of "No more politics as usual" has resulted in nothing more than politics as usual. His call for and open government has been proven to be false. His "no more pork" resulted in more pork. His  "time for a change" has resulted in people being afraid of what changes he is making. The percentages of people believing in his job performance have fallen dramatically. The hope he created in his campaign is dissipating because his subsequent actions have not kept it alive. The quadrupling of the national debt, the huge rise in unemployment (which he predicted would fall), the ineffectiveness of the stimulus plan he declared
was vital to American recovery....all of these these things, among others, have diluted that hope. Saying "trust me" only works so long. Something has to subsequently be done to earn that trust.

Be that as it may, I doubt that the internal relationship between Obama and Americans is the reason Obama received the peace prize. It is for what he has done on a global level. What HAS he done on a global level? Our situation with North Korea is the same, as is our situation with Iran. Iraq is the same and Afghanistan is worse. A recent poll in Israel showed that less than  4% ofthe population believe Obama is concerned in their interests and do not trust him.

Peace on Earth would, of course, be wonderful. But the honest hope that real peace is at least possible? That's worth something, too.

Yes,  it is. So what has Obama done to give a strong possibility that real peace is at least possible? What has he done to instill that honest hope? Has any violence in the world abated because of his eloquent speeches? Are nations going to disarm because he wants them to? Is there anything factual he has done to instill honest hope, with the exception of smooth speeches like the ones he used to get elected? Are they somehow more important than the other candidates who have given years, decades, endured personal suffering, hardships and even incarceration in the quest of peace? I don't really think so....the people around the world who were shocked at his selection apparently don't, either.

In a strange way, one has to admire him. With no experience, no accomplishments and nothing more than the ability to give eloquent speeches and instill confidence in people like a tv evangelist or a "How to make a million in real estate" pitch man, he has managed to become president of the United States and win the Nobel Peace prize.  That's quite a feat......
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Brad, Obama was not given the award for what he has accomplished regarding racial relations in the US. ctually, I can't think of anything he HAS done in that regard.


He got elected.

Could the same thing happen in Japan?

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That's the litmus test....that it couldn't happen in Japan?
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Litmus test? Huh?

Do you think Japan is an extreme example?  Okay, how about Russia?  

Norway?
 
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