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..let me add, none are so blind indoctrinated as those who solely rely on network conservative news propaganda machine for their i nformation misinformation.



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*** Remind us again how the media is biased…: Finally, here’s one more thought about the entire controversy over Obama’s education speech on Tuesday: Since the White House has said the text of the speech will be available for 24 hours before he delivers it and since they altered the lesson plan language, why is this still a controversy? The ability of the conservative media machine to generate a controversy for this White House is amazing. In fact, this is an example of a story that percolates where it becomes harder and harder for some to claim there's some knee-jerk liberal media bias. (Does anyone remember these kinds of controversies in the summer of 2001?) The ability of some conservatives to create media firestorms is still much greater than liberals these days. How effective is the conservative media machine? Just ask Van Jones…   http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/04/2052774.aspx



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Meanwhile, the chairman of the House Republican Conference, Rep. Mike Pence (Ind.), called on Jones to quit or be fired, saying, "His extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate."

Jones, author of "The Green Collar Economy" and, since March, the special adviser for green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ), has faced withering criticism from conservatives for weeks over his activist background. Fox News host Glenn Beck has been a leading voice in the criticism. (Notably, Beck's advertisers are facing boycott calls from a group Jones helped found.)

The blog Gateway Pundit reported Thursday that Jones signed in 2004 a petition from 911Truth.org. The petition questioned whether Bush administration officials "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

On Thursday, Jones apologized for signing the petition.

"In recent days some in the news media have reported on past statements I made before I joined the administration -- some of which were made years ago. If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize. As for the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever," he said in a statement issued by the CEQ.

It was his second apology of the week. On Wednesday, Jones apologized for labeling Republicans with a vulgarism in a February speech, saying that his comments were "clearly inappropriate."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/09/04/gibbs_offers_little_support_fo.html?wprss=44]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/09/04/gibbs_offers_little_support_fo.html? wprss=44




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During his 2 p.m. PDT show, Beck did not address the boycott spearheaded by Color of Change to protest the talk show host’s remark last month that he believes President Obama is “a racist.”

Instead, he spent a large share of his program suggesting that Jones, who co-founded Color of Change in 2005, is a radical. Jones now serves as a special advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

During a six-minute biographical profile, set to ominous music, Beck said Jones was twice arrested for political protests and has described himself as a "rowdy black nationalist." The talk show host cast the piece as part of a broader examination of Obama's "czars," special advisers to the president who "don't answer to anybody."

"Why is it that such a committed revolutionary has made it so high into the Obama administration as one of his chief advisers?" Beck asked.

Christine Glunz, a spokeswoman for the White House Council on Environmental Quality, noted that Jones has been lauded as an environmental hero and said his entire focus is on “building clean energy incentives which create 21st-century jobs.”

“Glenn Beck is trying to change the subject,” said James Rucker, executive director of Color of Change, who noted that Jones has not been active with the group in almost two years. “The issue is his baseless fear mongering.”

Beck has gone after Jones in the past. On July 28, he called the activist a "self-professed communist" and questioned the role he was playing in the administration. His latest assault on Jones came as Color of Change announced that it has secured commitments from 36 companies who have pledged not to advertise on Beck’s popular program, including Wal-Mart and Sprint. However, some of the companies never had a presence on "Glenn Beck." Representatives of Procter & Gamble and AT&T – listed by Color of Change as companies that had signed onto the boycott – told The Times that their companies did not run spots on Beck’s program to begin with.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/08/glenn-beck-ignores-ad-boycott.html]http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/08/glenn-beck-ignores-ad-boycott.html



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A top environmental official of the Obama administration issued a statement Thursday apologizing for past incendiary statement and denying that he ever agreed with a 2004 petition on which his name appears, a petition calling for congressional hearings and an investigation by the New York Attorney General into "evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur."

Van Jones, the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, is Number 46 of the petitioners from the so-called "Truther" movement which suggests that people in the administration of President George W. Bush "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever."

He did not explain how his name came to be on the petition. An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.
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In 2005 Jones told the East Bay Express that the acquittal of Rodney King's assailants in 1992 in that infamous police brutality case changed him significantly. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

Jones and other young activists in 1994 formed a group called Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, rooted in Marxism and Leninsm. Two years later, Jones launched the Ella Baker Center, an Oakland, Calif., based "strategy and action center" which states that it tries to "promote positive alternatives to violence and incarceration.

More recently, in February during a discussion on energy at Berkeley, Calif., (and prior to his joining the Obama administration) Jones referred to Republicans using an epithet for a proctological orifice, which he called "a technical, political science term."

Asked why Republicans asserted more control of the Senate when they had a smaller majority before 2006, Jones said "the answer to that is, they're a--holes." He added that President Obama is not an a--hole, but, "I will say this. I can be an a--hole, and some of us who are not Barack Hussein Obama are going to have to start getting a little bit uppity."

"I apologize for the offensive words I chose to use during that speech," Jones said in a different written statement to Politico on Wednesday. "They do not reflect the views of this administration, which has made every effort to work in a bipartisan fashion, and they do not reflect the experience I have had since I joined the administration."

- jpt

UPDATE: It's worth pointing out that Ben Smith at Politico has spoken to two signatories of that petition, Rabbi Michael Lerner and historian Howard Zinn, who say they were misled about what they were signing. And the conservative website Little Green Footballs points out that Rachel Ehrenfeld, author of “Funding Evil; How Terrorism is Financed and How to Stop It" has posted on her website, the American Center for Democracy: "PLEASE NOTE: Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld is not a signatory of the 911Truth.org. She has asked several times to have her named removed from the list, but the organization failed to comply."
http://blogs.abcnews.  com/politicalpunch/2009/09/controversial-obama-administration-official-denies-being-part-of-911-truther-movement-apologizes-for.html



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A total of 33 Fox advertisers, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc., CVS Caremark, Clorox and Sprint, directed that their commercials not air on Beck's show, according to the companies and ColorofChange.org, a group that promotes political action among blacks and launched a campaign to get advertisers to abandon him. That's more than a dozen more than were identified a week ago.

While it's unclear what effect, if any, this will ultimately have on Fox and Beck, it is already making advertisers skittish about hawking their wares within the most opinionated cable TV shows.
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Beck supporters have suggested that retaliation might have something to do with ColorofChange.org's campaign. One of the group's founders, Van Jones, now works in the Obama administration and has been criticized by Beck. But Rucker said Jones has nothing to do with ColorofChange.org now and didn't even know about the campaign before it started. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32540919/ns/entertainment-television/


http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/Van_Jones_Ahole_remark_inapprop  riate.html?showall
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Jones_apologizes_for_sta  tements_denies_911_doubts.html?showall

Up until Van Jones resigned Mike -- the only real story was that Beck was telling a bunch of lies and half-truths about Van Jones -- that a story doth not make.  The conservative media don't get to pick what the mainstream media runs as stories -- but as  Domenico Montanaro pointed out above -- too often they drive it.  
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"Up until Van Jones resigned Mike -- the only real story was that Beck was telling a bunch of lies and half-truths about Van Jones -- that a story doth not make"

Is that a fact, LR? The question would be....why is that the only real story?

In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said "of the petition circulated today I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever." He did not explain how is name came to be on the petition.

Why would that not be a valid story? Why would a presidential czar being a self-confessed communist not be a valid story? Why would a founder of STORM not be a valid story? There are no lies or half-truths there.  Jones claimed that whites are literally poisoning the black community. He stated that no black had ever conducted a "Columbine" shooting, that only whites do that. There are videos of all of these. There are facts brought to light that neither Jones or Obama could repudiate, except for Jones basically saying, "Are you gonna believe what you see or what I tell you?" How stupid are these people? Don't they realize that anything they say is a matter of public record that can be  checked and verified? So Jones has apologized...is that supposed to mean something? WOuld he have apologized before becoming a czar? He tried to do  damage control and it didn't work. Where is that stringent vetting process you claimed Obama employs? Do you feel that if this had been a Bush czar, it would also have been a non-story? Please don;t tell me you're that far detached from reality. Why would a man like this having the ear of the president not be a story? Would you please point out which "lies and half-truths" Beck spewed out?

As far a Glenn Beck is concerned...


His latest assault on Jones came as Color of Change announced that it has secured commitments from 36 companies who have pledged not to advertise on Beck’s popular program, including Wal-Mart and Sprint. However, some of the companies never had a presence on "Glenn Beck." Representatives of Procter & Gamble and AT&T – listed by Color of Change as companies that had signed onto the boycott – told The Times that their companies did not run spots on Beck’s program to begin with.

While the advertising boycott has generated substantial media coverage, Fox News said it has not impacted the network’s revenues or Beck’s audience. "The advertisers referenced have all moved their spots from Beck to other programs on the network so there has been no revenue lost," a spokeswoman said.


Jones' assault on Beck through his Color of Change organization didn't hurt Beck at all. Beck has so many wannabe sponsors waiting in the wings he has no problem there. Trying to spruce it up by listing sponsors that don't even advertise with Beck didn't help their validity, either.

The fact is that the mainstream media doesn't touch what the White House doesn't want them to touch, unless it gets so out of control they have no choice. How does it get out of control? By being reported by independent news agencies not concerned with what the White House dictates.

There is a reason why Fox News is the most watched news station in the country. People go there for BOTH sides of the news, not only what mainstream media and the White House wants to spoonfeed them. You may not like  that fact but it doen't make it a non-fact. That is why  network news is in the sorry state it's in today and has such low approval ratings from the general populace.....and that's why Fox News stands out as one of the only venues where one can get complete facts presented, hence it's popularity.

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"None are so blind as those who will not see." So true, Michael. I was just thinking the same thing last night.

Which of Beck's statements are considered lies and half-truths, LR?  He backed up everything he presented with audio and/or video. If lies and half-truths are to be the focus, one needs look no further than this current administration.

The only lesson plans that were changed were for the kindergarten and elementary students. The high school kids will still be instructed to read Obama's writings (books?) and do projects highlighting some of his quotes. And these 'suggested' lesson plans came straight out of the White House.

Couldn't a reasonable person conclude that this is a blatant attempt at indoctrination of our kids with Obama's ideology? I certainly think so.

It's not the speech, per se, that poses a problem, although I would certainly have to read the transcript to see if that is also a problem, but the suggested lesson plans accompanying the speech, formulated by the White House. What's that all about? No other administration has ever done such a thing.

People who only watch the news on the Big Three have no idea what is really going on in this country. That is quite telling and quite appalling.
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And it was a fresh reminder that the White House’s vetting process didn’t fall down only on high-profile nominees like Tom Daschle. It barely touched the lower reaches of the administration – a White House official conceded Sunday that Jones’ past statements weren’t as thoroughly scrubbed due to his relatively low rank. Jones’ selection also was propelled by powerful patrons, who included the first lady and the vice president.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26813.html

Did the White House Official mean to say vetted instead of scrubbed, or did the official actually mean scrubbed, as in delete from the internet?
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I would guess scrubbed, as in cleaned up, as in whitewashed, as in bye-bye....a little slip of the tongue there

Perhaps Obama's strong, stringent vetting process that has kept him from filling so many positions is little more than getting Michelle's and Hillary's approval.
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That was my impression too, Michael, a little slip of the tongue. Very telling, if that's what it was.

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Is that a fact, LR? The question would be....why is that the only real story?



No, it isn't a fact -- it's the 'opinion' of the editors of newspapers and television news organizations who have to decide every day what is news and what isn't.  As if we haven't discussed this as many times as Glenn Beck cries.

"If it bleeds -- it leads"

That's the axiom that rules the 'news' world.

Now, if you want to talk about the issue of punditry -- there is a different arena altogether for what makes fodder for cable.

The real question you have to ask Mike is why was Beck talking lying about Van Jones for weeks before Faux news even ran a 'story' on what it passes for objective journalism on September 2?

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There is a reason why Fox News is the most watched news station in the country. People go there for BOTH sides of the news, not only what mainstream media and the White House wants to spoonfeed them. You may not like  that fact but it doen't make it a non-fact. That is why  network news is in the sorry state it's in today and has such low approval ratings from the general populace.....and that's why Fox News stands out as one of the only venues where one can get complete facts presented, hence it's popularity.



Do you really want to play the 'Fox is Fair and Balanced' game?

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The Ratings Mirage
Why Fox has higher ratings--when CNN has more viewers

By Steve Rendall

Reporting on the ratings rivalry between the Fox News Channel (FNC) and CNN is often misleading--and almost always over-hyped.

"Fox Tops CNN as Choice for Cable News," declared one typical headline (Chicago Tribune , 3/24/03). "Fox News Channel Continues to Crush CNN ," reported Knight Ridder (Dallas Morning News , 2/3/04) in a column comparing the rivalry to a party primary: "Fox News Channel is winning the Nielsen caucuses." Last summer (8/17/03), the New York Times Magazine declared, looking back at the period of the Iraq invasion, "Fox was--and still is--trouncing CNN in the ratings."

After exposure to countless similar stories published since January 2002, when Fox was reported to have surpassed CNN in the Nielsen ratings, one might naturally conclude that Fox has more viewers than CNN .

But it's not true. On any given day, more people typically tune to CNN than to Fox .

So what are the media reports talking about? With few exceptions, stories about the media business report a single number for ratings (often expressed two different ways--as "points" or "share"). This number is often presented as if it were the result of a popularity contest or a democratic vote. But it is actually the average number of viewers watching a station or a show in a typical minute, based on Nielsen Media Research's monitoring of thousands of households.

The average is arrived at by counting viewers every minute. Heavy viewers--those who tune in to a station and linger there--have a greater impact, as they can be counted multiple times as they watch throughout the day.

When an outlet reports that CNN is trailing Fox , they are almost invariably using this average tally, which Fox has been winning for the past two years. For the year 2003, Nielsen's average daily ratings show Fox beating CNN 1.02 million viewers to 665,000.

But there is another important number collected by Nielsen (though only made available to the firm's clients) that tells another story. This is the "cume," the cumulative total number of viewers who watch a channel for at least six minutes during a given day. Unlike the average ratings number the media usually report, this number gives the same weight to the light viewer, who tunes in for a brief time, as it does to the heavy viewer.
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Journalists who publish Nielsen numbers ought to explain that the data are not simply measures of popularity, and they are not produced as a service to journalists or the public. The figures are gathered to provide advertisers with complex data about viewer habits. It pays to remember that neither cable news stations nor Nielsen Media Research are primarily in the business of serving the public interest--both are in the business of delivering audiences to advertisers.

Advertisers would rather see larger numbers of viewers see each ad a few times than have a smaller number watch the ad over and over again. But having a large number of viewers tune in for so short a period of time that they see very few ads is not desirable either. As Sherrill Maine, CNN 's senior vice president of marketing, was quoted in the Cablefax (1/26/03): "We'd like Fox 's [average] ratings; Fox would like our cume."
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2005



But it is a logical fallacy to assume that Fox is 'fair' because more people watch it -- if we're to assume that the volume of people watching is the measure of objectivity then we must assume that Fox is the least objective because more people in aggregate get their news from other sources Mike.

It is, however, factual to say that news viewership has become more polarized and a predictor of politics:

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Eighty-seven percent (87%) of Fox News viewers say they are likely to vote for John McCain, while those who watch CNN and MSNBC plan to support Barack Obama in November by more than two to one.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of CNN voters plan to vote for the Democratic candidate versus 26% who intend to go for the Republican. Similarly, MSNBC watchers plan to vote for Obama over McCain 63% to 30%.

Only nine percent of those who watch Fox News say they will vote for Obama

Rasmussen Poll



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Despite tumultuous events abroad, the public's news habits have been relatively stable over the past two years. Yet modest growth has continued in two important areas online news and cable news. Regarding the latter, the expanding audience for the Fox News Channel stands out. Since 2000, the number of Americans who regularly watch Fox News has increased by nearly half from 17% to 25% while audiences for other cable outlets have been flat at best.

Fox's vitality comes as a consequence of another significant change in the media landscape. Political polarization is increasingly reflected in the public's news viewing habits. Since 2000, the Fox News Channel's gains have been greatest among political conservatives and Republicans. More than half of regular Fox viewers describe themselves as politically conservative (52%), up from 40% four years ago. At the same time, CNN, Fox's principal rival, has a more Democrat-leaning audience than in the past.

The public's evaluations of media credibility also are more divided along ideological and partisan lines. Republicans have become more distrustful of virtually all major media outlets over the past four years, while Democratic evaluations of the news media have been mostly unchanged. As a result, only about half as many Republicans as Democrats rate a variety of well-known news outlets as credible a list that includes ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, NPR, PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, the New York Times, Newsweek, Time and U.S. News and World Report.

CNN's once dominant credibility ratings have slumped in recent years, mostly among Republicans and independents. By comparison, the Fox News Channel's believability ratings have remained steady both overall and within partisan groups. Nonetheless, among those able to rate the networks, more continue to say they can believe all or most of what they hear on CNN than say
that about Fox News Channel (32% vs. 25%).

The partisan nature of these ratings is underscored by the fact that, while roughly the same proportion of Republicans and Democrats view Fox News as credible, Fox ranks as the most trusted news source among Republicans but is among the least trusted by Democrats.
http://people-press.org/report/215/news-audiences-increasingly-politicized



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Rasmussen Reports survey found that voters see an entirely different picture. Generally speaking, they believe ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, and the Fox News Channel are biased to help one campaign or the other.

Between 33% and 39% of Americans believe that each of the five major broadcast news outlets is unbiased. On balance, four of the five are believed to be helping the Kerry campaign. One, Fox News, is believed to be helping the Bush campaign.

CBS is seen as the most biased--37% believe that network news team is trying to help the Kerry campaign. Only 33% believe it presents the news in an unbiased manner. This may be a reaction to the recent flap over memos aired by CBS--38% believe that Dan Rather used his broadcasts to help the Kerry campaign.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/media/voters_see_all_networks_with_bias



I am, however, inclined to agree that anyone who only gets their news from one source, or one type of source, isn't likely to find out much more than the sizzle.  

Who are the people who only get their news from Television? (including Fox)

The older, less educated, less affluent traditionalist -- 46% of the country in 2008:

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The 2008 biennial news consumption survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press was conducted by telephone - including both landline phones and cell phones - from April 30 to June 1 among 3,612 adults nationwide. It finds four distinct segments in today's news audience: Integrators, who comprise 23% of the public; the less populous Net-Newsers (13%); Traditionalists - the oldest (median age: 52) and largest news segment (46% of the public); and the Disengaged (14%) who stand out for their low levels of interest in the news and news consumption.
http://people-press.org/report/444/news-media



Also interesting is how many Republicans get their news exclusively from Fox:

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The poll finds that among GOPers, 24% think Fox is “extremely reliable,” and 41% think Fox is “reliable.” That’s a total of 65% of Republicans who see Fox as reliable or very much so.

Meanwhile, only 20% of Republicans think CNN is reliable.

Even more interesting, perhaps, is how many Republicans only get their info from Fox, as compared to the other cable networks. A surprising 74% of GOPers “never” watch CNN, and an even higher amount, 89%, never watch MSNBC. http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/poll-huge-majority-of-republicans-say-fox-news-is-reliable/
http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/6/US/331



Is there a reason for this bias among Republicans and conservatives toward Faux News?

I'll report, you'll decide (based upon your bias):

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Norvell is London bureau chief for Fox News, and on May 20 he let the mask slip in, of all places, the Wall Street Journal. So far, the damage has been contained, because Norvell's comments—in an op-ed he wrote decrying left-wing bias at the BBC—appeared only in the Journal's European edition. But Chatterbox's agents are everywhere.

Here is what Norvell fessed up to in the May 20 Wall Street Journal Europe:

    Even we at Fox News manage to get some lefties on the air occasionally, and often let them finish their sentences before we club them to death and feed the scraps to Karl Rove and Bill O'Reilly. And those who hate us can take solace in the fact that they aren't subsidizing Bill's bombast; we payers of the BBC license fee don't enjoy that peace of mind.

    Fox News is, after all, a private channel and our presenters are quite open about where they stand on particular stories. That's our appeal. People watch us because they know what they are getting. The Beeb's institutionalized leftism would be easier to tolerate if the corporation was a little more honest about it.

Norvell never says the word "conservative" in describing "where [Fox's anchorpeople] stand on particular stories," or what Fox's viewers "know … they are getting." But in context, Norvell clearly is using the example of Fox News to argue that political bias is acceptable when it isn't subsidized by the public (as his op-ed's target, the leftish BBC, is), and when the bias is acknowledged. Norvell's little joke about clubbing lefties to death should satisfy even the most literal-minded that the bias Norvell describes is a conservative one. (Lord only knows where Norvell acquired the erroneous belief that Fox News is "honest" about its conservative slant; perhaps he's so used to Fox's protestations of objectivity being ignored that he literally forgot that they continue to be uttered.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/




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On Fox News Watch, the panel was discussing the Democrats' reasons for pulling out of the Nevada presidential debate, which was to be hosted by Fox.  Panelist Neal Gabler simply said that Fox News is to conservatives as Air America Radio is to liberals.  Therefore, just as conservatives do not appear on Air America Radio, liberals have little reason to appear on Fox.  Gabler used Fox's use of the word "extreme" when referring to bloggers as more proof of the network's bias. http://www.thebluestate.com/2007/03/video_fox_news_.html



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While talking about CNN's alleged bias, Fox's own panel admits the irony in accusing another network of bias, causing a storm of laughter and embarrassing the host! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7bMUalkOvw



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Look, I think liberals have reasonable gripes with Fox News. It does lean to the right, primarily in its opinion programming but also in its story selection (which is fine by me) and elsewhere. But it's worth remembering that Fox is less a bastion of ideological conservatism and more a populist, tabloidy network. It often does very good hard journalism, but it gets mixed up with a lot of other stuff, and the Fox-haters are hardly inclined to be discriminating viewers when it comes to separating the wheat from the pure, concentrated evil. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/fox_john_edwards_and_the_two_a.html




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Fox News' Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade dismissed protesters at the Group of Eight (G8) economic summit as "morons without jobs." Later in the same program, Kilmeade said former CBS correspondent Bernard Goldberg's newest book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America (And Al Franken is #37) (HarperCollins, 2005) is not ideologically skewed, even though Goldberg's list includes numerous people who are Democrats, liberals, progressives, and feminist activists, and only a handful of known conservative figures.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200507060002



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Protesters From Hell

Demonstrators Invade D.C.

The protesters invaded Washington over the weekend.

From stem cell research advocates to Cindy Sheehan (search) sympathizers, protesters of all shapes, sizes, colors and odors found a cause.

Unfortunately for me — since I was traveling by train — a whole lot of them originated from or passed through New York's Penn Station, and a train delay made matters worse.

A steel girder collapsed on the tracks just outside of the station, and it was just what the doctor ordered for a bunch of anxious, ready-to-protest-just-about-anything, jobless folks — err, demonstrators — who gathered with their anti-Bush cardboard signs and their 1967-era wardrobe.

As if the tie-dyed clothes weren't stereotypically Grrring enough, they just couldn't help but to break into song. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170465,00.html



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In the days leading up to the supposedly grassroots event, the New York Times' Paul Krugman noted, "a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News."

The involvement of a news channel in promoting a partisan event has caused many to give the political tilt of Fox News a second look.

In the lead-up to the event, Fox News featured 9 segments and 40 promos over just two days, according to the watchdog website Media Matters. Over a one week period, 10 in-show promos were given by Fox presenter Sean Hannity, while Neil Cavuto and Glen Beck delivered 5 each. Cavuto did seven news segments on the event. All Fox News shows featured commercials advertising the protests during that time, and they were regularly described as "FNC [Fox News Channel] Tax Day Tea Parties" by on-air personalities.

In addition, Fox News contributors were listed as "Tea Party Sponsor[s]" on the website promoting the event, while appearances by Fox personalities were used to promote individual rallies.

Fox News anchor Cody Willard, reporting from one of the protests, even went so far as to say on the air, "Guys, when are we going to wake up and start fighting the fascism that seems to be permeating this country?"

In yet another tea-bag day controversy, Fox anchor Neil Cavuto was captured on an open mic discussing the crowd numbers with an on-location producer, estimating the turnout at 5,000 people, but minutes later Cavuto told viewers that "They were expecting 5,000 here, it's got to be easily double, if not triple that." http://www.vancouversun.com/news/News+sponsored+parties+fail+ignite+popular+uprising+among+conservatives/1499732/story.html



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FOX NEWS INTERNAL MEMO: "Be On The Lookout For Any Statements From The Iraqi Insurgents...Thrilled At The Prospect Of A Dem Controlled Congress"...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/14/fox-news-internal-memo-be_n_34128.html


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Which of Beck's statements are considered lies and half-truths, LR?



Really Denise?
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001855.html#10

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This is the spit that keeps me away.
--Serenity



And isn't it the goal?
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Sorry Mike.. forgot to give you this demographic:

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Median Age of Fox News Viewers is 65 – Average Dittohead Is a 67 Year Old Man http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/05/05/average-age-of-fox-news-viewer-is-65/



And this Cavuto clip where he calls Bill Rice a 'hero' for starting a fist fight at a health reform rally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHSW4Txxz8
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I still don't know what you are talking about LR. Beck backed up everything he presented using Jones' own words.

I also don't know what Serenity's post means or why you referenced it or what your commment about that implies.

You need to be a little less cryptic.

And now the left is disparaging the seniors of this country and saying they'll help Fox's ratings only until they stroke out? Absolutely disgusting.

I'm glad Fox is covering the numerous Tea Parties. God knows no one else is, except to malign them. And yes, they are real grass roots, despite the left calling them astroturf. The real astroturf are Obama's minions on the left from Acorn and SEIU who have to be paid to show up to push his healthcare agenda, even advertising on Craigs List to recruit activists.  
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I'm not going around the mulberry bush with you Denise -- you can read and understand English perfectly well...

Although I can understand your difficulty in sorting out what Beck says;
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-13-2009/glenn-beck-s-operation
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My difficulty is in trying to figure out what you are saying.
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A lot of clips that basically say nothing, LR, and, yes, I speak English, also, and I know mule muffins when I see them. The fact is that there are videos showing everything that got Jones bounced and nothing you can produce here can nullify that fact.

I can understand that Fox being the most watched television news is irritating to the left, just as Limbaugh being the most listened to radio program in the country, followed by Hannity and Beck is as equally irritating, especially in light of the fact that their Air America or whatever attempts they come up with to crack that stronghold have failed miserably. Call their watchers  old, senile, waiting to die off codgers or anything you want....the facts don't change.

There are way, way too many examples to show that network news is slanted and will only present whatever spin to a story they want to project. Protests of thousands of people somehow turn into hundreds, if mentioned at all. Facts about someone like a presidential advisor like Jones having been a communist, accusing whites of deliberately poisoning blacks, creating a radical group like STORM and having accused the government of complicity in 9/11 does not show up at all, unless forced to. Cap and trade being rushed through the House didn't even get a mention, even though the ramifications  of it would be mind-boggling.

The American people are not as mindless as the left would like to think they are. Fox presents them with information they don't find on network  news.

...but don't give up hope. If Obama has his way, Fox and other conservative outlets will be a thing of the past and all of the old codgers will have to listen to CNN and MSNBC by default. It;s a brave new world, indeed.
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I wonder how many communists and communist sympathizers are in the current administration and Congress?

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/van-jones-mystery-solved/
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Irritated? You've got to be kidding.  This is the funniest stuff on TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWL-pfCao-U
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This should be the next guy to go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnwzMJf09o&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcaosblog%2E com%2F&feature=player_embedded

I guess the White House didn't get around to scrubbing his stuff yet either.
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And her too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud_yNFnfrSI
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Don't forget to post Obama's fake Kenyan birth certificate again Denise.  I mean -- he's the one that's REAALLY got to go!
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Nicely done, Denise
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Maybe soon we will be able to see one that isn't fraudulent, LR.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242

Thanks Michael!

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It's mildly amusing to me that I opened this thread today, for the first time, just after watching "Point Of Order" last night.

Enough said.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

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(CNN) -- Two employees at the Baltimore, Maryland, branch of the liberal community organizing group ACORN were caught on tape allegedly offering advice to a pair posing as a pimp and prostitute on setting up a prostitution ring and evading the IRS.

The video footage -- which has been edited and goes to black in some areas -- was recorded and posted online Thursday by James O'Keefe, a conservative activist. He was joined on the video by another conservative, Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute in the filmmakers' undercover sting.

The video shows the pair approaching two women working at the ACORN Baltimore office and asking them for advice on how to set up a prostitution ring involving more than a dozen underage girls from El Salvador.

One of the ACORN workers suggests that Giles refer to herself as a "performing artist" on tax forms and declare some of the girls as dependents to receive child tax credits.

"Stop saying prostitution," the woman, identified by the filmmaker as an ACORN tax expert, tells Giles. The other woman tells them, "You want to keep them clean ... make sure they go to school."
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/10/acorn.prostitution/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/10/acorn.prostitution/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail#cnnSTCVideo

When ACORN was presented with this video, first they claimed it was a put-up job and then, after seeing the video, fired the two ACORN workers in the video.

So my question is this....is this newsworthy? Here we have an organization advising people on how to set up a prostitution house to avoid taxes. ALso, we have them being told that there would be 13-15 year old girls involved in being used as prostitiutes and it didn't bother them at all and they gave advice on how to hide them. Is this worth a headline or two? Is there anyone reading this who thinks child prostitution is an ok thing, that, when exposed, shouldn't be on the news? Ok, maybe there are some of you who think this is a big deal to conservatives just because it's ACORN. Let's make it H&R Block. If Block employees had given this same counceling, would it THEN be newsworthy? How much news coverage did it get?

The day after the video surfaced and ACORN fired the people involved, this is the amount of times our news organizations mentioned it...

Fox,,,,,,,,,,,,19
CNN............3
MSNBC.......0
ABC............0
NBC............0
CBS............0

I guess cheating the government is no big deal. Child prostitution is no big deal. An organization which has received 53,000,000.00 in government grants since 1994 and stands in line to receive a part of over 8 billion in the stimulus plan being involved in it is no big deal.

No doubt FOX jumped on it with more fervor because ACORN was involved but the fact is that ACORN WAS involved. There is also little doubt that the network news agencies didn't touch it for the same reason - because ACORN was involved.

Some of you want to continue extolling the virtues and fairness of the network news agencies? Go ahead. This is a typical example of why FOX has the large audience it has and the networks don't.
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.


“Today one-third of Democrats believe that President Bush was involved in the planning of September 11.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGU2ZWM2YzI5MzkxMjhjOTVhYWU1ZTZlZGM5ZGY0Y2U=


What media do they read and or watch?

PS:

“In July, the popular left-wing website FiredogLake couldn’t let go of the birther bit. One post — titled “The Republican Party is the Birther Party, and it’s dragging them down” — made much of the fact that 28 percent of Republicans, according to one poll, do not believe that Obama is a natural-born citizen. This week, the site’s founder, Jane Hamsher, was disgusted that Jones was “thrown under the bus,” even though he subscribed to trutherism, a view that “35 (percent) of Democrats believed as of 2007.””

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZGUyNGZlMWEzYmUwZDExMmM3NTAzOTBjMDg2YzdiZjk=

I throw this in just to show Hanson
was not coming up with a number out of the air by himself.


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Census Bureau severs ties with ACORN in 2010 count

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Census Bureau on Friday severed its ties with ACORN, a community organization that has been hit with Republican accusations of voter-registration fraud.

"We do not come to this decision lightly," Census director Robert Groves wrote in a letter to ACORN, which was obtained by The Associated Press.

In splitting with ACORN, Groves sought to tamp down GOP concerns and negative publicity that the partnership will taint the 2010 head count.

"It is clear that ACORN's affiliation with the 2010 census promotion has caused sufficient concern in the general public, has indeed become a distraction from our mission, and may even become a discouragement to public cooperation, negatively impacting 2010 census efforts," Groves wrote.

Stephen Buckner, a census spokesman, confirmed the letter, but declined additional comment.

ACORN spokesman Scott Levenson did not immediately return a request for comment.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-09-11-acorn-hidden-camera_N.htm?csp=34

Well, at least some good came out of it....
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I wonder if any news agencies other than Fox and CNN had any coverage of the AWESOME March on Washington yesterday, of which I am thrilled to have been a part.

Here is a link showing the grounds after the innauguration and after the march yesterday. An interesting study in contrasts. I did not see one single scrap of litter the entire day.

There are also some videos that will give you an idea of how many were there as well as a feel of what it was like being there:
http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/conservative-patriots-v-government-trough-feeders/
 
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