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No Ron, there is another option. Pay for emergency care only for illegals just prior to their deportation.
In theory, that's what we're already doing, Denise. Except, of course, it isn't working. When was the last time you called INS to have someone deported?
Short of racial stereotyping, illegals immigrants tend to look a lot like everyone else. And, twenty years in Southern California, I never had one person come up to me and tell me they were illegal. You?
What about those of us who have already been told by our employers that we can't keep our current insurance ...
Get a new employer?
Seriously, Denise, you need to ask yourself WHY your employer doesn't want to continue paying for private coverage. And whether they'll continue to pay for it when the premiums continue to rise at several times the rate of inflation. The status quo is NOT an option, Denise. Not any more.
Do we stick with the status quo that over 70% of Americans say they are satisfied with?
See my response to Denise, Mike. The status quo is not an option, no matter how many people are satisfied with it. So long as medical costs and coverage continue to climb, we're all on a downward spiral. Let those 70 percent pay their OWN costs or even their own premiums for a while and then ask them again how satisfied they are.
The government says nothing about reigning in the insurance companies, the pharmaseuticals or tort reform.
Reign in how, Mike? Do you want government setting drug prices instead of the market? Can you think of any industry where that has worked real well? I can't. Or do you want to stop holding doctors and hospitals responsible for their services? What kinds of doctors do you think we'll get if they know you can't sue them?
Can any reasonable person look at the government's plan and not see it's designed to put private insurance out of business?
There, see, the government IS talking about reigning in the insurance companies.
Seriously, some of the things being discussed will indeed force private insurance to adjust and become more competitive. That's a good thing. Other things being discussed will go a long way towards making tort reform unnecessary. Those million dollar judgments add relatively little to your insurance premium. All the unnecessary tests doctors order to avoid those judgments is another matter entirely. Some of the things being discussed (like the advance care planning you're happy to have taken off the table) will help eliminate the need for those unnecessary tests and procedures.
Ron, here's one. There are others..
Com'on, Mike. When asked if you still believe the government is going to force old folk to attend suicide clinics you said, no, because that part of the bill was removed. But the part you now point at as being removed clearly said no such thing. Aren't you just going in circles?
Can't you just admit that you listened to the wrong people and got bad information?
I think it's a real shame that intentional obfuscation got advance planning yanked from consideration. Counseling clearly doesn't force (or necessarily even encourage) anyone to end their life prematurely. It does help apprise them of their choices and I strongly suspect it would eliminate a TON of expense keeping people alive past any real hope of a meaningful (by any definition) life. Without advance directives, in today's legal climate, no doctor or hospital dares do anything that might land them in court.
I have a choice right now, LR. I can choose from two different plans or choose to have nothing.
The only choices you have, Denise, are the ones your employer has decided to give you. That won't change. What you're really worried about is that your employer will give you different choices than those you currently have. That's going to happen no matter what the government does.
"I'm afraid we've got to think about putting a lot of that off until the economy's out of recession," said Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman.
I think we've already put it off, Mike. Through a couple recessions?
"Putting a lot of that off" didn't work for me when I was married and facing a massive honey-do list. I don't think it will work now, either.
Seriously, I think it's high time America decided to suck it up and do what needs to be done, with a little less regard to the immediate costs. We're tougher than that.