Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA
Thank you, Bob. I confess that I'm a little confused by some remarks of yours.. You say As for it not being a racial issue until Doctor Gates made it one, I'm not certain of that. and then go on to speak of how the officer handled it excellently andthat it WAS a response to a valid 911 call and that the police did a good job. Who, then , made it a racial incident, if not Gates?
If Sergeant Crowley didn't know it was racial from pretty much moment one, before Gates even opened his mouth, things would have been much worse. I don't contend that that the officer consider it racial at all before Gates went goony, unles you are saying that any interraction between blacks and whites should be recognized as racial situations. Crowley handled it by the book. He responded to the call, encountered two people at the scene, one of which claimed to be the owner, and he asked for identification to verify that. He would have done the same had the occupant been black, white, yellow, orange or chartreuse.
Professor Gates has resentment built up for that kind of treatment again he and his for more than three hundred years, as you would as well in the same situation. You'd be on a hair trigger too. You'd be predisposed to see the evil in everything the other folks do and in whatever the other folks are. Bob, your conception of what I would do or how I would feel is unqualified and you overestimate my hair trigger (in this case). Here you are stating that a black, even one as prominent as a Harvard professor, is predisposed to see evil in everything a white person does, based on black history. Well, that certainly makes it quite the situation, doesn't it.....a country where blacks walk around, scarred by 300 years of injustices, distrusting whites. Japanese-Americans, scarred by the thoughts of the Japanese interrment during WWII and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, walking around with a hatred and distrust of whites, native Americans walking around, scarred by thoughts of reservations and genocide perpetrated by the US government, hating whites. I'll tell you what. I can understand the feelings of all of these people. Bob, I have spent a good part of my life either dealing with minorities or being a minority myself. My sympathy for injustices committed against these people in sincere but it will not give them a free pass to do whatever they please and cite hundreds of years of persecution as an excuse. People like Professor Gates disrespect the blacks who are intentionally harrassed by cops....and, yes, it does happen, unfortunately. He damages their cause by his uncalled-for actions in this case.
You are relentlessly locked in to the single point of view. Call it old police training, Bob. I don't consider that to be a bad thing. He was responding to a possible burglary call and handled it by the book, without being distracted. I'm sure he was aware that it was a white dealing with a black and acted properly respectful in his handling of the situation but did not let himself be distracted by the fact that blacks have chips on their shoulders based on centuries of abuse, accorrding to you. He needed proof tht Gates was the owner of the residence and he asked for it. Period.
Police also know if what discrimination feels like. People act differently around them. When I was on the force, I was still young enough to enjoy social interraction and even bend the elbow once in a while. If I went to a party with a friend I was welcomed but, as it went around the room that I was a cop, I could feel the mood change. People acted more carefully around me, were a little more careful in what they said and an invisible wall was erected in many cases. Was it deserved? Well, I don't think so but it was there. SHould I have been outraged and screamed at the injustice of it? I don't think that would have worked out too well.
It appears that, by your view, blacks want to be treated like anyone else of any color and yet want it known that they have the right to go off the deep end any time they are confronted by authority, based on years of persecution. You are against discrimination of any kind and yet support Sotomayor, who threw out the promotions of fire dept employees who had scored highest on exams simply because they were white.
You apparently cannot imagine that there is another point of view with any other sort of reality to it
You are right, Bob, not in this case. We are not dealing with points of view. We are dealing with facts. The officer asked for ID. The professor went berzerk. Those are facts. SHould those facts be changed because blacks had to ride in the back of the bus in the '50's? I don't think so. How about the scenario that the officer shows up, is told by the person there that it is his residence, takes that at face value and doesn't want to offend the fellow by asking for ID from a black man, and say goodnight.......and it actually was a burglar, who ransacks the house after the officer leaves? Can you even imagine how that professor would be screaming incompetence and stupidity at he police department and probably even claim that they did not do a competent job because it was the house of a black man???? I can assure you it would not be a pretty sight.
Yes, Bob, I continue being locked into my single point of view. The officer handled it professionally. The professor reacted like an idiot and created the entire bruhaha that ensued. Obama was an idiot for (1) calling the police stupid after admitting he didn't know what he was talking about and (2) trying to make a racial profiling issue out of it when it was not. The professor, Maxine Waters, the cop down here in my earlier example are all either hotheads who like to scream race whenever they are asked for identification or they are all in need of some serious psychological help.
It was a response to a burglary call.....................period. What did I lean from this? Obama is more of a fool than I thought with a strong resentment for "white America" and Gates is not deserving of any intelligent thought....and that's just for starters.