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WASHINGTON D.C.--Today Rep. Jason Chaffetz announced he will introduce legislation requiring the Commerce Department’s execution of the 2010 Census to be conducted in partnership with the United States Post Office. The Census previously announced a need to hire in excess of 750,000 people to conduct the Census. The Post Office has 760,000 employees.

In a controversial approach, the Census previously announced it is partnering with a multitude of community organizations, including ACORN, to find people to hire to gather Census data. In committee hearings Rep. Chaffetz and others expressed serious reservations about the lack of standards offered by the Census to ensure nefarious organizations and individuals are excluded from gathering this sensitive data.

“It is imperative the American People have the utmost confidence in the collection of Census data. We should not rely upon ACORN to gather Census data. I don’t trust ACORN and neither do the American people.

“We already have a trusted workforce. This is a common sense business approach.   Rather than hire 750,000 new, unknown people, let’s use people and assets already in place. This should save money, help the Post Office in a time of financial need, and give confidence and credibility to the collection of personal information. Postal carriers know the people on their routes, they know how to find them and how to count them.

“The census is a good example of an inefficient government program with billions of dollars of cost overruns that could immediately become more efficient with this common sense approach using resources already at our disposal,” said Rep. Chaffetz.

FACTS:
760,000+         Postal employees
750,000+         Anticipated new hires needed to conduct the 2010 Census
$11 Billion+     Appropriations to conduct the 2010 Census
$ Billions          Projected US Post Office revenue shortfall for FY 2009
April 1, 2010    Census Day (Thursday)
Website           http://2010.census.gov

Rep. Chaffetz’ bill will create a “postal holiday” on the “Census Day” to allow the collection of Census information rather than the delivery of mail.
http://chaffetz.house.gov/2009/06/census-should-partner-with-post-office-not-acorn.shtml


Chaffetz has also said  that he has discussed the plan with the union leaders, who endorse it 100%, being faced with losses and probable layoffs in the near future.

It should be fun to see what Congress's response will be (if we get to see it). You can be sure they will fight it, with ACORn being a darling of theirs and Obama's.

So what do you think? Good idea? Bad idea or what?
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Stupid idea.

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I think it is an idea worth checking into; however, I find it a bit unpractical.
Using these numbers woulds require everyone in the post office, just about, to participate... all three shifts... Then, you have to deal with the fact that people at the post office are, very simply, people trying to pay their bills, and the money that Acorn and other would offer them to...uh... "share" the information would be too great for many of them. Besides, with the White House overseeing the entire operation anyhow, what does it matter who does it?

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grinch, thank you for such an eloquent and informative response.

Ringo, not sure what you mean. Yes, postal workers are people trying to pay their bills. Are you saying the thousands of ACORN workers who would be hired aren't? and the money that Acorn and other would offer them to...uh... "share" the information I don't understand that statement. What money would ACORN be offering them? ACORN would not even be in the picture. What does it matter who does it? Aside from the fact it would save many postal workers jobs? Aside from the fact that ACORN, the organization that has more than a dozen indictments and court cases going on based on their shoddy and proported illegal practices might not be the most wonderful people to have the personal information of millions of people? Remember, the census is not simply a head count. You are required to divulge your job, your income, and many personal items about your life. You see no difference between ACORN having that information as opposed to a responsible organization? Just asking......

If you are going to hire hundreds of thousands of people and pay billions of dollars for them to go to houses that another organization already goes to every day, the only things needing to be changed is that for the one time every 10 years they gather information while they are there, you don't see any merit in that, especially when it would save the government a lot of money and save many postal workers jobs?  Are you sure?


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I understand the premise -- and in reality -- the Postal Service is already involved in the census, since those people who are known to the government by name and address are sent forms to fill out and send back voluntarily.

I disagree with the notion though -- that the Postal Worker on my street knows me.  I certainly don't know him/her.  At one point in time, in certain more rural areas (you know those places where Sarah Palin says the 'real' Americans are) that would have been true-- as I used to go grab my mail from my P.O. Box every morning and have a chat with the Postmaster (even though I had a box in front of my house where I also got delivery.)

I remember also as a kid when my mother was a Census worker the very difficult time she had trying to do the job -- because the people who don't fill out those forms and send them back in -- they're very hard to find Mike -- and they don't want to talk to 'the government'.

I think the idea should be on the table -- but those are my concerns -- bottom line -- I don't think one day off from regular postal work will do the job -- not to mention one more day of mail/commerce interrupted.
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Thank you, reb. You make some valid points. However, as far as not knowing your postal worker, I have little doubt you don't know much about the ACORN employee who will be coming by, either.

I realize that liberals (and not necessarily you) seem to disregard the black marks against ACORN, from their strong-arm tactics concerning forcing banks to give loans to unqualified buyers, to all of the legal proceedings against them but they are not an organization I would trust for a second. if you do, that's your right.

Yes, there would have to be some logistical manuevering to make it work and I don't know if it could work or not but saving postal employee jobs and keeping ACORN away from such a wealth of personal information would make it worth checking into, I think.

Btw, since you saw an opportunity to throw a Palin dig in there, I'll tell you a little story. While I was living in Venezuela, I came back to the states to represent Venezuela (sounds weird, I know) in the world bowling championships held in Indianapolis. My companions in the trip were an elderly Venezuelan couple  who had been to the states several times. We drove through the midwest to my home town in Missouri and then on to Indiana. I remember them saying, as we drove through the farmlands, "At last, we are really seeing AMERICA!" I said, "Yes, you are."

I'm not sure Sarah Palin's comment was so innacurate.  
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Of course I don't know that person either Mike... and that's the point.  There is no inherent value to having Postal employees do the job because of 'knowing' the people.

And, to a degree, anonymity is important to the process and not knowing the person asking the questions is a lubricant.

Of course your guests were really seeing America -- but they weren't seeing all of America.  It's more than purple mountains and amber waves.  

Real Americans live in East L.A., Gary, Indiana, Harlem, N.Y., South Beach, Harligen, Tupelo, and, even in Hawaii and Alaska too.

It gives me a bit of comfort Mike -- to see people squirm at the notion of Acorn conducting a census -- it's almost how cynical and wary of the process those African Americans were that all but refused to talk to my mother.

But, alas, in reality -- I don't have a problem with Acorn -- it has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative either.  It's just being objective.  Acorn moved against the people who were defrauding THEM in submitting false voter registrations.  They weren't soliciting them -- they were policing them.  But I know that Rush and Hanity and Beck have made them into the big bad boogey man -- and doesn't every propaganda hack need one?
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Oh, please! Don't even think about playing the race card here...that should be beneath you. Can't even believe you would go there...even though that does seem to be a last ditch tactic with democrats today. Very disappointing...

We're discussing how the census would be conducted the best way and you bring up Palin, Limbaugh and Hannity.  Be sure to mention Bush somewhere so you can cover all the bases.
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Dear Mike,

          When one uses "Oh please" in this fashion, one runs the danger of being heard as offering dismissal without engagement, often heard as an expression of contempt.  I don't believe this could be your intention.  

     I am also somewhat concerned about the reference to "the race card;"  and to "playing the race card."  This suggests that racially biased behavior is a thing of the past, and no longer effects current behavior, personal or political.  And that any attempt to point this out is somehow a foul.  I suspect that this particular point of view has not had its validity established in any sort of verifiable way.  Speaking of "the race card" suggests that it has.

     While you are free in sharing your disappointment that others, especially Democrats, might bring up such unpleasant subjects, I would be more impressed by some actual information from reliable sources that would prove that there is no racial bias involved.

     My information is that the original capitals of the various states were deliberately situated in rural areas as a way of favoring a rural, land-owning lifestyle over the lifestyles of city dwellers.  While you may share that bias, I believe that it does need to be recognized as the bias that it is.  Rural Americans have no particular extra claim on nationality or reality that I can see over urban Americans
other than furthering the bias of Romans and later the English landed aristocracy.

     Should you have another viewpoint, I'd be happy to discuss it.  You've taught me a great deal from time to time, as have the other folks here.  I'm always up to learn something new.

Sincerely, Bob Kaven


    
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That doesn't make enough nonsense to get government approval.
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Sorry but it's too logical. The government officials (no matter their affiliation) will never agree to it. They like it convoluted and complicated.

Republicans or Democrats - to me they are interchangable - once they get in office someone sneaks into their room at night and removes all logic function from their brain.
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Oh please Mike.   I can't even believe you would go there.  You bring up the evil of ACORN and the untrustworthiness of the Obama administration in the guise of a census discussion and then complain when the talking points of the radio heads are called out.

All we have to do is go back to the Constitution Mike -- to see why African Americans have always been skeptical of the census -- you know that document that counted them as 3/5ths of a person.
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Of course,reb. By all means go back a couple of hundred years to make your point. May as well throw in separate water fountains and riding in the back of the bus, too. Believe it or not, there have been changes since then - a black president and thousands of mixed marriages, for example.

Bob, I dismiss the race insinuations here because they are easily dismissable. In the first place, the top leaders of ACORN are white. Second, the charges against ACORN in the courts are due to illegal operations, not because they are black. I can assure you and LR that Hannity, Limbaugh or Beck do not serve on any of the many state governments who have ACORN under indictments. The chant of "You're just against me or him or her because I or we or they are black and not because my hands were around his throat while he was being choked to death" is tiresomely overrused but has found renewed life since the election. If Obama had lost, it would have certainy been because he was "black" and not because he was nothing more than a glib talker with nothing more than community organizing and two years congressional experience behind him. You don't like his policies? It's because he's black. You speak against ACORN? It's because they are black. You want to point out all of the lies he made on the campaign trail? You're prejudiced.

ACORN is the elephant in the room and the darling of the administration, probably because of the fact they are Obama's old bosses. When the bill came up recently to give them more money and the Republicans wanted to challenge it, Pelosi - who is on record as saying every congressman should have his right to be heard - refused to even let them discuss it. ACORN brought in votes for Obama and ACORN is an intregal part of the mob that runs Washington and, if you don't believe that, you must be a prejudiced Federalist or something and why do you hate blacks so much?

Anyone who wants to study ACORN with an unbiased eye can google them and make up their own minds.

Essorant and PDV, thank you for your comments. They are appreciated.

There is a common saying on the golf course that, when a golfer makes a lucky or horrible shot with good results, he says "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while". This administration is filled with blind squirrels...
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What pettifoggery Mike.

I'm discussing why the African American community has been wary and skeptical of the census -- and you think Conservatives are being called racist.

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Of course,reb. By all means go back a couple of hundred years to make your point. May as well throw in separate water fountains and riding in the back of the bus, too. Believe it or not, there have been changes since then - a black president and thousands of mixed marriages, for example.



Yes we should throw in all of that stuff Mike.  You want to go back a couple hundred years in history to that Civil War thing and discuss with native Southerners why they still have a problem voting for someone from Boston?

History doesn't die just because laws change or progress is made.  

More later.
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No, history doesn't die but, when someone does not recognize and acknowledge the changes, that's not history, that's hysteria. You may want to check on the number of elected black public officials in the south these days (You know, that racist part of the country). You may find more than a few. A distrust of ACORN is not racial, it's common sense, in my opinion. Do I prefer them having my personal and financial information in their computers? In a word...no.
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I've never seen my postal person out here in my stretch of fence posts. My mail seems to magically disappear/appear.

As for a new Census from the Nutbunch? I suppose my "Forever" stamps will suddenly have an expiration date on them to help pay for the new recruits. Oh well, what's a few more forever cents. Will the NutJobs pay well??

What does the USPS say bout all this? I can't really speak for them, as I'd say the mail is enough to deliver & collect let alone huntin' down folks that don't want anyone asking them questions on their porch or in their hood.

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You want to go back a couple hundred years in history to that Civil War thing and discuss with native Southerners why they still have a problem voting for someone from Boston?


Wha?

Heyyyy...my backwoods folks rode pack mules 'cross the gap and down the mountain just to vote for JFK.

He was the pick of my folks and still is my main presidential favorite.

But what is so UP with this ACORN stuff. I admit, I'm not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories at all, well maybe the whole Area 51 or 52 thing weirds me out, but why does something stinketh so bad about ACOBB??

I dunno but it's beginning to bother me and I hope it's not just yalls' vibes rubbin' off on me.


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As I said, Regina, just google ACORN and you'll get a wealth of information.

As far as the USPS thoughts, their union loves the idea, knowing that layoffs are coming up and they see it as a way to bring money in and save jobs at the same time.

Congress will have to find a way to axe the idea without irritating the union...should be fun to watch.
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grinch, thank you for such an eloquent and informative response.


You’re welcome.

I was going to add a few reasons why it’s a stupid idea but I didn’t know where to start.

I could have pointed out that the additional census staff wouldn’t be employed for a single day, that the census requires additional staff for at least three months after the census date deadline. The extra staff being employed to chase up people who hadn’t returned their forms by the closing date.

I could have pointed out the impact and costs incurred for the subsequent delay in mail delivery if the postal workers did the job instead. Even if they could somehow take on the abilities of Father Christmas and undertake such a mammoth task in a single day instead of the estimated three months it’s likely to take.

Even those nice friendly postal workers would struggle to do that – they might even “go postal” under that kind of pressure.

I could have built an argument against the census itself – the figures being traditionally so inaccurate as to be almost useless.

I didn’t though, largely because the obvious answer isn’t to let the postal workers do it, it isn’t to get your favourite whipping boys ACORN to do it. The most sensible thing to do in this economic climate is to postpone or cancel it completely and spend the money on something a little more useful.

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As I said, Regina, just google ACORN and you'll get a wealth of information allegations.



quote:
I could have built an argument against the census itself – the figures being traditionally so inaccurate as to be almost useless.

The census, like any other poll ('cause that's what it is, of course), is eminently useful so long as one accounts for the biases.

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The most sensible thing to do in this economic climate is to postpone or cancel it completely and spend the money on something a little more useful.

Useless information is perhaps the ultimate oxymoron, Grinch. Even Balladeer's ACORN rumors tell us something useful (just not about ACORN).

The biggest problem I have with this idea is that Bill, my current mailman, is my friend. There's a lot of information I'm willing to share with our government that is, frankly, none of Bill's business. In these parts, there's three ways to get a message out: telephone, telegraph, and tell-a-mailman.


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Ok.... now I'm beginning to find the use in this red-herring conversation -- Ron just made me laugh.  

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I didn’t though, largely because the obvious answer isn’t to let the postal workers do it, it isn’t to get your favourite whipping boys ACORN to do it. The most sensible thing to do in this economic climate is to postpone or cancel it completely and spend the money on something a little more useful.



Well Craig, that would be unconstitutional -- and the ultimate purpose is merely the enumeration of the population so as to apportion Congressional representation -- all the other info is merely required to be answered by whatever law the Congress directs -- finable by 100 dollars for failing to answer or 500 dollars for lying -- so one way or another a census is taking place.

But, I've played in the sand long enough -- okay Mike -- It isn't true...
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_acorn_providing_workers_for_the_2010.html

ACORN isn't going to be taking the census -- anymore than Fox News is a News channel.

Sorry Reg... you're right of course -- I was over-generalizing -- but -- statistically we know what the political tilt is for Southern states -- and about those guys running up and down the road with the Confederate battle flag pasted all over their truck... Of course I'm from Tennessee and I alone am not representative of my own generalization.

From now on when you serve Red Herring Mike -- I'll have mine, um... blackened...

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I understand the legal requirements LR.

You'd have thought they'd have built a process into the system that allows amendments.



Times and situations change and needs must when the devil bites your butt and all that.

In this case I'm not sure the "bangs" gained by getting 74% of the population to say hello is worth the bucks.

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Sorry Reg... you're right of course -- I was over-generalizing -- but -- statistically we know what the political tilt is for Southern states -- and about those guys running up and down the road with the Confederate battle flag pasted all over their truck... Of course I'm from Tennessee and I alone am not representative of my own generalization.



Oh my, you're not alone, dear Reb. There's country and there's the confounded, which has recently hit home with me and it's a great topic for a new thread.

BUT...why is it that the Union (not that of the North during the Civil War, but THE current Workers Union) tends to be so uncivil?

Why would the Union flaunt any machination of progress when America, by large, is currently suffering joblessness ten-fold. The expense is already fewer jobs for unionized industries: the byproduct of unionization. They might strike?

the mail   will   be   so   not   delivered.

And the Union will defend their postal stance how???

With electronically deposited checking.

How Ironically comical.

  
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As I said, Regina, just google ACORN and you'll get a wealth of information allegations.

Ok, I see, Ron. All that google will bring up is allegations. I wonder why that is....
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What pettifoggery Mike

Just a thought... isn't "pettyfog" one of Bill O'Reilly's words of the day?


Mike- If ANYONE other than ACORN does the census, it is my belief (and I soeak only for myself, here) that the mighty ACORN would definitely have moles paying people to copy the information they receive.
As for the postal workers- Yes, there are 760,000 people working for the USPS, however those people are split between three shifts. Many of them are pilots, or are engaged in flight activities (from flight crew, to flight line workers, to etc.) and would, generally, not truly be available to do the census.
The census also is going to take more than one day to complete, so a one day mail stoppage would not do the trick. After that one day, the postal workers would have to do overtime to play catch-up... which offsets any of the savings.

Also, with President Obama already saying that he was going to oversee the census himself, and with his penchant for hiring a "Czar" for any job he feels he doesn't think he can control through the normal "legal" government channels, you can bet your last full, non-pay czar adjusted paycheck that he will have a Census Czar to gather that information and to ensure the district lines are drawn to ensure the Democratic majority for decades to come.

For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.

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Ok, I see, Ron. All that google will bring up is allegations. I wonder why that is....

Uh, because ACORN has yet to be convicted of anything?

After reading Ringo's post, however, I think I would like to add conspiracy theories to the possible results Google is likely to return.
 
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