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Huan Yi
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0 posted 04-24-2009 11:58 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Let’s assume you work for a living.
All the doctors tell you with absolute certainty
that you're going to die the first moment after the day
your savings that allow you to live well , (which includes
taking care of your own), run out.
Would you still work?  If yes, why?


(This is related to my “What If Atlas Shrugged” question).


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[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (04-25-2009 12:15 AM).]

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Yikes! I have only $35 in savings, John. And my city pension will yield only 28% of my salary at age 65. So I guess I will be working until I die. My time on the beach will be restricted to a few long weekends here and there!
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I don't get it.
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Well, as I dusted my savings with my recent period of unemployment, I would guess that I am going to.. well, I should be dead already, then....
Maybe I can call in to work tomorrow and tell them that to get the day off.
lol

Actually, John, I can't NOT work. It would (and did) drive me nuts to sit around.. and even then, I wasn't sitting around. I got stuff around the house done, I got a huge amount of writing done, I looked for employment. Regardless of the situation, I actually see me keeling over at my desk.

But this one goes to eleven...
http://www.hubpages.com/profile/RingoShort

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4 posted 04-25-2009 12:46 PM       View Profile for latearrival   Email latearrival   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for latearrival

probably if I am able.I am 77 and still put in a full week's work. I recently cut to four days to give myself time for my home and yard and other things. so yes, I guess I would still work if able to. latearrival
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5 posted 04-25-2009 12:48 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Ok
So say riches fell on you out of the sky
by virtue of some previously unknown
now deceased relative . . .

“Work” here to me is what you do only for pay.
In my off time I've done things far more strenuous,
(and at times dangerous), than anything involved
in my job which is effort paid because of
its value to others.


PS the title refers to the book . . .
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quote:
“Work” here to me is what you do only for pay.

Oh, okay. You mean prostitution then?

I have a different definition of work, I guess. Work, to me, equates to productivity. Doesn't matter who it's for or even the final results.


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my work is not as strenous as my yard work.There I build muscle. But in this scenerio I guess I would use the money left to me to pay my mortgage and travel more to be closer to members of my family who do not live near by.
I have read Atlas Shrugged and a few of her other boooks. But I am not getting the connection here. I have no profession, unless you count mother hood. I think it applies more to those who do. latearrival
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late arrival... I DO consider motherhood to be a profession...and one of the most important.

As far as Ayn Rand is concerned, Ron's reply says it all
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Well, I would be one of those retiring from "prostitution".  I had enough of living by others' stipulations of what to do, when to do, how long, etc. both early in school and later in the workplace, for passing marks and money.  If the means ever come to live my life at my own pace and doing more (including working at) what I enjoy much more , I would not hesitate to quit my job and begin a much happier life.

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Mike that made me laugh because if it is production that counts.... I had a hand in  producing six children, 13 grandchildren and five great grand children with another on the way. I can't claim much else but we do have a happy family.If that is my production then so be it. LOL
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John, I'd still keep my day job. With the stock market the way it is, the government's current spendthrift policies, and the probable coming hyper-inflation, who knows how long my riches would last?
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late arrival, I'd guess you had more than a hand in it!
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If God came down
and told me I had
no more than five years to live
I’d quit my job, (which is the
best I’ve ever had), in the morning.

I’d go fishing
write poems
and go out
for at least
one more dive alone

I would lie in my bed
and read books
that are of no interest
to most or anyone else

and if that wasn’t considered
“productive” in any sense
as might be transferred as value
to someone else
I wouldn’t care less

If you’re willing to die my death
I’ll let you determine some part of my life
otherwise buzz off.

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Why wait for God, John?

There is at least a statistical possibility that you will indeed be dead within the next five years. Why aren't you already living the life you say you would if you had that hypothetical divine guarantee?

We all make choices.
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15 posted 04-29-2009 05:28 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Life, unless it's short,
takes money . . .

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And that, John, is certainly one choice.
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17 posted 04-29-2009 08:18 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Not yet Ron.
Still can afford it . . .


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No other life forms on earth pretend that they need money in order to live.
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And what lives
they live . . .

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That is true.  I guess civilization is rather cornered into the use of money.  

Hopefully at least in Heaven we won't need money.
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You are making my earlier point for me, gentlemen.

Yes, other life forms lead their lives differently. Some would say harder, some might say simpler. They don't have a choice, but you and I do.

Short of walking off into the woods with a knife and a few supplies (most Marines have been trained to do exactly that, John), there are still a hundred different ways to simplify your life and live it with less need for money. People who want nice houses, nice cars, a computer and the electricity to run it, are all making choices. The need to go out and find a way to pay for those choices is the price they pay.

I am absolutely convinced that anyone who wants to go fishing, write poems, and read good books can do so any time they want. They don't have to wait for God to pronounce them imminently dead. They don't need that justification.

They just have to be willing to give up something else.


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22 posted 04-30-2009 04:27 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Oh I do the things I've listed, (except
the last dive), but not all the time;
that takes money.  For a few years I could
get away with it, but then it would be
looking for plastic bottles to turn in
for deposit.

Walden Pond wasn't quite what it was cracked up
to be.  Henry went to the family house down
the road at least once a week for a meal, and
he wasn't out in the woods in total all that long.
He mooched a lot too.

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"Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more  value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O  men of little  faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, `What shall we eat?' or `What shall we drink?' or `What shall we wear?' 32 For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well. "

Yah, that works . . .

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John, I don't think Jesus is saying that we won't have to work. He is saying to make your priority in life seeking God and resting in his care, because all that you need will be provided, including, I think, even the job that gives you the money in order to take care of yourself and your family. In other words, relax, you don't have to sweat it!

Also, maybe people have to determine what in their lives are really needs and what are merely wants.
 
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