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What would Reagan do?

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Jaime Fradera
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0 posted 04-10-2009 08:27 PM       View Profile for Jaime Fradera   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jaime Fradera


He would order the naval vessels on site to open fire without warning.
Then They would release a terse statement:
We don't talk to terrorists.
And perhaps a cryptic reminder that those who choose to live by the sword deserve their fate,
They might also point out that The animals that live in Pittsburgh have rights, but that those who treat others inhumanely forfeit any claim to being human.

But today instead we have a Communist, America-trashing tyrant, who bows and pussy foots to foreign potentates who would destroy us.
Alas, what else could a petty, america-trashing Marxist tyrant do but take the rest of us down with him?
It would have broken Ronnie's great and giving heart ...
It's just as well he didn't live long enough to see this,
and have to watch America reverting to the status of another filthy, backward, pre-industrial, stinking, decadent, dirt-poor third-world tyranny and fourth-rate power that use to think of itself the leader of the free world.
What must Nancy be thinking now? ...
Not to mention Mike and Patty?

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1 posted 04-10-2009 08:46 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

IF you are referring to President Obama, he is neither a Communist, a Marxist, nor a tyrant.
Sheesh, this post is pure rubbish, not even third rate satire.
Have a pleasant Easter, Jaime.
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2 posted 04-10-2009 08:51 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

He has now granted leader of the free world status to the European Union. I hope they can successfully assume that mantle and make us proud!
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You're not part of the solution


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4 posted 04-11-2009 01:05 AM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

Jaime- Although I am a full-blown, died-in-the-wool Conservative Republican who voted for the other guy, I started out wanting the new President to succeed. I knew that this country needed someone who would go above and beyond all expectations. Unfortunately, we have a President who is all hat and no cowboy. I honestly feel that history is going to throw him right in there with Gen. Grant and Herbert Hoover.
I do not agree, however, with the way in which you expressed your views.

On 15 December, 1791, the US Congress ratified a piece of legislation that stated:
Congress shall make no law...prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...

With that in mind, I am sure that the Republican members of Congress will allow you to say such things without sending you to jail. I however, will, instead, refer you to a piece of legislation that was passed some 4000 years before that. It was worded thus:
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.  Exodus 20:16

You made several "witnesses" against the leader of this nation. The first of which was that he is a Communist.
Karl Marx has stated:
The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties... conquest of political power by the proletariat.
The Merrium-Webster Dictionary defines the Prolotariat as:
quote:
1: the laboring class ; especially : the class of industrial workers who lack their own means of production and hence sell their labor to live
2: the lowest social or economic class of a community

Well, according to what I have seen of the Obama Administration in the last 80 days (give or take) is that he is sincerely not in favor of the industrial workers conquoring the political power of this nation. He does not want my sore and tired body going to Washington at all, for ANY reason. He wants me to stay home and kiss his powerful backside, and allow him to remain in power as long as possible. It is for this reason that you are knowingly bearing false witness.

Heading back to my well weathered Merrium-Webster Dictionary, we finds that a tyrant is:
quote:
an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution

As he is still (theoretically) restrained by the Legislative Branch of the government-as defined in Articles 1 and 2 of the Constitution of the United States. With this in mind, it is also quite obvious that you have once again bourne false witness.

We move along to the term "Marxist". Marxism (as well as Christian-communism, and Anarcho-communism) very simply a form of communism. As we ahve used the works of Karl Marx to prove against his being Communist, then it holds true also that he is not a Marxist.

Jaime, my brother, you have hit strike three, and your turn at the plate has ended. Thank you for playing.

"Before he goes, Johhny, tell him what he's won."
Well, Bob, he's won more illumination into the wrong thinking and speech in his post."

quote:
It's just as well he didn't live long enough to see this

Well, (used in honor of my favorite President) had he lived long enough, he STILL wouldn't have seen it, as he had a very well publicized case of Alzheimer's and wouldn't have known what was happening in the world. His heart would not have cared.
quote:
...America reverting to the status of another filthy, backward, pre-industrial, stinking, decadent, dirt-poor third-world tyranny and fourth-rate power that use to think of itself the leader of the free world.

Are you suggesting that because of the current administration America is going to stop being an industrialized nation with no means of production of goods and services?

As for us thinking we used to be the leader of the free world. Again to the dictionary:  
quote:
: a person who has commanding authority or influence

Well... as the world looks to the American people and government for innovations in technology and medicine, I would consider that we are, in fact, the leader of the free world. As the world also looks to us in times of crisis, I would say that we are, in fact, the leader of the free world. As the rest of the world looks to us first (even with our economy in the shape that it's in) for financial help, I would- again- say that we are, in fact, the leaders of the free world. We do not need to "think" of ourselves as the leader of the free world. It is, indeed, the facts of the case.

If you wish to make statements about how the Obama Administration is, in your opinion, a complete and total disaster that tripled the nation's debt with the stroke of a pen, and who has made the country weaker because of the statements he has made and the actions he has taken, and who screamed at the top of his lungs that he would bring all of the troops home in 16 months (only to announce that he would wait 18 months, and still leave 50,000 American troops there, and send the rest to Afghanistan)... then I will be right beside you holding the other side of your banner. As long as you continue to make inflammatory statements about our President (as you are still living here, he is your President, whether you voted for him or not), that have absolutely no basis in fact, and which are simply the same as the statements certain of the liberal Democratic members of this board made against President Bush, then I would respectfully request that you take your thoughts to another venue that might possibly listen. I do not feel anyone here will.


But this one goes to eleven... http://www.hubpages.com/profile/RingoShort
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5 posted 04-11-2009 03:35 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Which Reagan?

He was always adamant that he didn't leave the Democratic Party -- that it left him...but -- listen to Reagan campaigning for Truman -- was he telling the truth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJDhS4oUm0M

or the transcript;

quote:

“This is Ronald Reagan speaking to you from Hollywood. You know me as a motion picture actor but tonight I’m just a citizen pretty concerned about the national election next month and more than a little impatient with those promises the Republicans made before they got control of Congress a couple years ago.

I remember listening to the radio on election night in 1946. Joseph Martin, the Republican Speaker of the House, said very solemnly, and I quote, “We Republicans intend to work for a real increase in income for everybody by encouraging more production and lower prices without impairing wages or working conditions”, unquote. Remember that promise: a real increase in income for everybody. But what actually happened?

The profits of corporations have doubled, while workers’ wages have increased by only one-quarter. In other words, profits have gone up four times as much as wages, and the small increase workers did receive was more than eaten up by rising prices, which have also bored into their savings. For example, here is an Associate Press Dispatch I read the other day about Smith L. Carpenter, a craftsman in Union Springs, New York. It seems that Mr. Carpenter retired some years ago thinking he had enough money saved up that he could live out his last years without having to worry. But he didn’t figure on this Republican inflation, which ate up all of his savings, and so he’s gone back to work. The reason this is news, is Mr. Carpenter is 91 years old.

Now, take as a contrast the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey, which reported a net profit of $210 million after taxes for the first half of 1948; an increase of 70% in one year. In other words, high prices have not been caused by higher wages, but by bigger and bigger profits.

The Republican promises sounded pretty good in 1946, but what has happened since then, since the 80th Congress took over? Prices have climbed to the highest level in history, although the death of the OPA was supposed to bring prices down through “the natural process of free competition”. Labor has been handcuffed with the vicious Taft-Hartley law. Social Security benefits have been snatched away from almost a million workers by the Gearhart bill. Fair employment practices, which had worked so well during war time, have been abandoned. Veterans’ pleas for low cost homes have been ignored, and many people are still living in made-over chicken coops and garages.

Tax-reduction bills have been passed to benefit the higher-income brackets alone. The average worker saved only $1.73 a week. In the false name of economy, millions of children have been deprived of milk once provided through the federal school lunch program. This was the payoff of the Republicans’ promises. And this is why we must have new faces in the Congress of the United States: Democratic faces.

This is why we must not only elect President Truman, but also men like Mayor Hubert Humphrey of Minneapolis, the Democratic candidate for Senator from Minnesota. Mayor Humphrey at 37 is one of the ablest men in public life. He’s running against Joe Ball, who was a member of the Senate Labor Committee, helped write the Taft-Hartley law. The Republicans don’t want to lose Ball, and are spending a small fortune on his campaign. They’ve even sent [Thomas] Dewey and [Earl] Warren to Minneapolis to speak for him. President Truman knows the value of a man like Hubert Humphrey in the Senate, and he has been in Minneapolis too, campaigning against Joe Ball. Mayor Humphrey and Ball are the symbols of the political battle going on in America today. While Ball is a banner carrier for Wall Street, Mayor Humphrey is fighting for all the principles advocated by President Truman; for adequate low cost housing, for civil rights, for prices people can afford to pay, and for a labor movement freed of the Taft-Hartley law. I take great pride in presenting my friend from Minneapolis, Mayor Hubert H. Humphrey, candidate for United States Senator.”



Of course there was the Reagan who pulled our troops out of Lebanon after the bombing of American barracks there...  

Which Reagan are you talking about Jaimie?


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Of your President "Communist, America-trashing tyrant, petty, america-trashing Marxist tyrant" - Of your country "filthy, backward, pre-industrial, stinking, decadent, dirt-poor third-world tyranny"

Jaime, it's a great pity that you don't appreciate that in using such language unsupported by reasoned argument all you do is terminally damage your own credibility, and turn folks like me who might normally listen to logical argument against some of Obama's actions, deaf to any criticism of him, in reaction to and revulsion of what is just hysterical nonsense.
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Jaime, I must agree with the others here. I am certainly not an Obama supporter but he doesn't deserve the type of rhetoric you express here.

You have the right to say it....others have the right to disagree.
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