How to Join Member's Area Private Library Search Today's Topics p Login
Main Forums Discussion Tech Talk Mature Content Archives
   Nav Win
 Discussion
 The Alley
 The good Reverend   [ Page: 1  2  ]
 25 26 27 28 29 30 31
Follow us on Facebook

 Moderated by: Ron   (Admins )

 
User Options
Format for Better Printing EMail to a Friend Not Available
Admin Print Send ECard
Passions in Poetry

The good Reverend

 Post A Reply Post New Topic   Go to the Next Oldest/Previous Topic Return to Topic Page Go to the Next Newest Topic 
Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


25 posted 02-12-2009 05:40 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Me? I'm just following the lead of the Democrats who ridiculed Bush for being at the ranch instead of the White House, as if there were no computers, communication or any way to be involved with the running of the country if he were not physically there.

It seems stranger in this case when were are talking about (according to him) the possible destruction of the country, the largest spending package in history, the largest tax cut in history, things that will affect the country for years to come...and there is Pelosi, Reid and Congress working on it constantly, discussing it, debating it, working to get it ready....and Obama is out, holding people's hands and telling them it will be all right.

Perhaps he doesn't need to be in Washington at all. Pelosi and Reid can run the country and he can play good-will ambassador, touring the country and spreading good will. I have little doubt THEY feel they are running the show.

Yes, moonbeam, I can see your point about having a President who will get out among the people and be accessible.....but, right now, at a time that is supposed to be so very crucial to the future of the country, I'd rather see him in Washington, sleeves rolled up, working his butt off to make sure things get done right. If they can do it without him, what does that say?

It's almost as if Pelosi told him to go out and spread good cheer while the adults do the actual work.
Ron
Administrator
Member Rara Avis
since 05-19-99
Posts 9708
Michigan, US


26 posted 02-12-2009 06:47 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
I'd rather see him in Washington, sleeves rolled up, working his butt off to make sure things get done right.

Again, Mike, I think you're too concerned with "done right." A hurricane just took off half our roof and you keep arguing about what grade of plywood we should be using to cover the holes?

Obama, I think, is doing exactly the same thing President Reagan did so well; taking his message directly to the people. He knows, as did Reagan, that convincing the people to give their support creates pressure in Washington. Pressure gets things done.

While I'm sure Obama is not uninterested in doing it right, Mike, I think he's much more interested in doing it right now.


Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


27 posted 02-12-2009 06:57 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

convincing the people to give their support creates pressure in Washington

...and how much pressure is going to be created between today and tomorrow by the people on Washington when it comes to a vote, Ron? The people aren't going to make a difference, Ron. Congress is the only player here.
Bob K
Member Elite
since 11-03-2007
Posts 3860


28 posted 02-12-2009 08:56 PM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K



     In a moment of wild confusion, I'd thought that the congress was a stand in for the people here.  They might even be a particularly good representative sample coming so quickly after an election when the feelings about the previous administration had been made especially clear.  One would have expected that Democrats would actually have lost membership in the House and the Senate, considering their lack of backbone in standing up to the Republican economic and foreign policies in the two years before that.  Not so.

     But I think this is about as close as you can get to having an actual reflection of what folks seem to want in terms of policy decisions at this point.  I'm not saying that you should like it, Mike, because it's not what you want; and the reality is we won't actually know if it's a good decision for the country for probably another two to three years.  That's a very long wait for a potentially scary outcome.  It may not work.  Anybody who says it will is a fool:  Nobody can read the future.  All you can do is to make the best guess you can and construct the best plan you can based on that guess.

     I think Obama's done that much.

     Pretense that one can't or hasn't or won't make mistakes was one of the more troubling things about the last administration.  I think that Obama's trying to make a point of letting his fallibility be known.  Perhaps he may be a little too quick to do so and takes responsibility for things that may not be his fault or that aren't really so terrible, I don't know.  It does give his political opponents ammunition they wouldn't otherwise have, but I can't tell how wise it will prove to be in terms of long term strategy at this point.  It may work out well.

     My sense is that if a politician makes a point of denying everything, people start to think he's a liar pretty quickly, and the reputation is hard to shake.  If a guy takes responsibility most of the time, it make make his denials more believable when he makes them.  I hope it works that way, especially if he tries to stick to the truth.  It would make the country so much more solid in its own eyes, the sense that we have reestablished for ourselves and for the world that when we say something you can take it to the bank.

    
Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


29 posted 02-12-2009 11:23 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

we won't actually know if it's a good decision for the country for probably another two to three years. That's not the way it's being peddled, Bob. It is being tauted as having IMMEDIATE results. In the long run, it is generally accepted by the CBO and Ron that it WILL have a detrimental effect on the country in the future.

All you can do is to make the best guess you can and construct the best plan you can based on that guess. So the supposed future of the entire country is to be determined by a guess? That's why we elect these people, so they can go to Washington and guess?

I think that Obama's trying to make a point of letting his fallibility be known. He has already made that point, Bob. This would not be his first apology to the American people.

especially if he tries to stick to the truth. He blew that one at the Caterpillar factory and who knows where else?

Sorry to sound so negative but I've never been a fan of the "Do something even if it's wrong" philosophy...and the little pork extras slipped into it make me doubt the sincerity behind it. Acorn, who Obama worked for, gets a lot of money out of it. Hollywood, fund raisers deluxe for Obama, get a lot of money out of it. It gives me the feeling that Obama is paying back some favors and setting himself up as a hero at the same time. Quite a feat if he can do it.
serenity blaze
Member Empyrean
since 02-02-2000
Posts 28839


30 posted 02-14-2009 01:31 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

It's an unprecedented situation.

I want to know Ed, what would you do?
moonbeam
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Member Elite
since 12-24-2005
Posts 2038


31 posted 02-15-2009 04:15 AM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

I'd emulate the actions of a good mother with her child in a frightening storm.
 
 Post A Reply Post New Topic   Go to the Next Oldest/Previous Topic Return to Topic Page Go to the Next Newest Topic 
All times are ET (US) Top
  User Options
>> Discussion >> The Alley >> The good Reverend   [ Page: 1  2  ] Format for Better Printing EMail to a Friend Not Available
Print Send ECard

 

pipTalk Home Page | Main Poetry Forums

How to Join | Member's Area / Help | Private Library | Search | Contact Us | Today's Topics | Login
Discussion | Tech Talk | Archives | Sanctuary



© Passions in Poetry and netpoets.com 1998-2013
All Poetry and Prose is copyrighted by the individual authors