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50 posted 02-11-2009 03:30 AM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Sorry Mike, I shouldn't have posted my last reply, it was an irrelevant, ill-considered off-the-cuff reaction to your attempt to use levity to effect a diversion.  

With hindsight all it did was to give you more material to effect an even bigger diversion.

Please can we rewind to my reply #44 if you want to continue the discussion.

Thanks.

PS To Bob - ty for your point about "genetic" , but I think it was meant in joke and even if wasn't I'm cool with it .  It's the continued inference that I have an inherent dislike of Republicans, Bush and possibly Americans that I resent.  An assertion that's been made without a shred of evidence (despite protestations that such evidence is plentiful, but that nevertheless one does not have enough time to find it or can't be bothered).  
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Dear Mike,

          The graph did at last come up. I noticed that somebody had reclassified part of the tax cuts into something else to get a net figure of 22% instead of closer to 40% of the money in the bill to be coming from tax cuts.  To me, I'm not sure that the semantic point is useful except as points in the class war against the poor.  The Washington Post says that a substantial portion of these tax cuts go to people who don't pay taxes.  I'd have to say that constitutes a real slap in the face against the poor, though I couldn't be at all sure that the poor are the ones that don't pay the taxes, to tell the truth.

     I suspect that what the Washington Post means to be saying is that is that people who don't pay income tax don't pay taxes at all.  Wow, given that most of those people are disabled or single mothers or dependent children children of single parents, I guess we ought to crack down and repeal those child labor laws so the six and seven year olds can compete against their parents in the marketplace and really drive those wages down.  

     Also, by golly, it's a good thing that they don't have to pay any other taxes, isn't it?  With all that fat and happy cash they've got running out of their ears.  They sure are one lucky group of people, aren't they?  These are actually people who could use straightforward grants for food and healthcare and housing and educational enrichment.  This is actually a time when money spent in those places would help the country.

Best, Bob Kaven
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52 posted 02-11-2009 08:01 AM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

ďI couldn't be at all sure that the poor are the ones that don't pay the taxes,Ē


I donít quite get that either, Bob. The current HHS poverty threshold for one person is $10,400.

For example: Letís say I barely make enough money to cover my immediate expenses this year, and Iíll give a round figure of $600 a month. $7200 per year.

Thatís an extremely modest mortgage payment, and painfully low budgeted utilities, food, gas and insurance. (and yes, Iíve done this as do millions of other Americans.)

and many may say thatís not a likely picture of ďpoorĒ because the indication of a mortgage and no car payment signifies some sort of wealth or asset, so Iím strictly going by the HHS DOLLAR figure for income specifics and stats, not hard assets or property owned.


Sales tax here is 9.75%

I also have to pay property tax of $600 a year.

and a wheel tax on every vehicle I tag each year of $27

Claiming 0: My federal withholding for the year would be around $600

Social Security withholding $500

and Medicare $120.


Rough bottom estimate: $2000 a year, city, county, state, and fed.

roughly 27.7% of the personís income.


Thatís 1 person, bottom level average income, no children, and hopefully...no sickness or large maintenance expenses/repairs or purchases for the year.

So who are these people who are not paying ANY taxes?

They would have to be dead, dying, or so destitute that they definitely need help.

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Wow, given that most of those people are disabled or single mothers or dependent children children of single parents, I guess we ought to crack down and repeal those child labor laws so the six and seven year olds can compete against their parents in the marketplace and really drive those wages down.


I hear you.

or we could just set up a picket line at the SSI and the Welfare offices and demand they not receive their benefits for our benefit, even though, at any given moment of total misfortune, either one of us might have to cross over into the receiving line.
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53 posted 02-11-2009 03:54 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I noticed that somebody had reclassified part of the tax cuts into something else to get a net figure of 22% instead of closer to 40% of the money in the bill to be coming from tax cuts.

Well, Bob, since the Congressional budget office created the chart, who do you suppose that "somebody" could be? How about the congressional budget office?
 
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