Member Rara Avis
I doubt seriously that any one person, or several people, or even the government will put people back to work in Michigan by buying a car.
You're probably right, Mike. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure we're not going to put people back to work by NOT buying cars. The government is simply setting a good example. So long as the Feds are going to buy cars, it makes sense to do it now instead of down the road. Besides, if they don't buy today, a few years from now their only choice might be Toyota or Honda.
You want to talk to me about positive results through positive thinking?
It's not about positive thinking, Mike. It's about having confidence in our country's economy.
There are systemic problems right now, to be sure. And they need to be addressed and corrected. But the actual problems with our economy are small compared to the fear they've engendered in the general population. People are afraid to spend money. The role of government -- and the reason the stimulus package has to be BIG and immediate -- is to calm those fears.
Sell that one to the left and media for what they have spewed for the past eight years. They have used negativity as their major weapon in their fight against Bush, with complete disregard about what it might have done to the country or our troops in the field.
That's one perspective, I guess. It sort of ignores the fact that Bush once enjoyed the highest approval rating of any President since the polls started nearly a hundred years ago. His rating was something over 80 percent, I think? So, in the course of six or seven years, those two people out of ten convinced six of the remaining eight to change their minds? The result was that George Bush also took the record, at just over 20 percent I think, for the lowest approval rating in history?
I don't know, Mike. From where I sit, it seems Bush was the architect of his own fate. If people were spewing a lot of negativity, as you say, isn't it at least possible they were right? Isn't it possible that George W. Bush was just a really, really bad leader?
Not that it matters any more. We endured Bush. Now we have to survive him. And even if you believe that two people out of ten somehow destroyed the Republican regime, and even if you convinced me you are right, I'm not sure that would justify using the same tactics to destroy the next administration. At some point, I think we have to start caring about the country, not politics.
So when Obama claims his package is designed to create jobs, I must assume you are saying that really doesn't matter? True, when the money dries up, jobs go away but shouldn't the money have a better chance of not drying up if more people have jobs?
What's the average tax rate these days? Fifteen percent? You really think you can pay a guy $1,000 a week by taking $150 from him? That's just a Ponzi scheme. It works for a while, but it can't last.
Any jobs the government creates are necessarily dependent on all the other jobs. The government can't buy us out of a recession. Ultimately, the economy has to support jobs, not the government.
Which matters pretty much not at all to Joe Smith, who just got laid off. Giving him a job helping to repave I-94 will help Joe feed his kids, and that's the only thing he cares about. I'm cool with that, too, because I-94 really needs a facelift badly (Michigan winters are not kind to our roads). And if Joe has to buy a new car to get to work every day? That's good, too.
The current unemployment rate in Michigan just topped ten percent. One person out of ten is out of work. That's a problem, especially if you're that one in ten. But here's the thing: nine out of ten people are scared to death they'll be next, and that's a problem of an entirely different order. In an economic system resting on the shoulders of consumer spending (and I would argue whether it should be in a different thread), a population afraid to spend money is a death knell. Giving Joe a job is important to Joe, but it's important to you and I only if it gives us the confidence to believe our jobs are safe.
That's the true purpose behind the stimulus package.
Yes, grinch, that must be it. You are smarter than 60% of the American people....congratulations.
LOL. That hardly qualifies as a place of honor. Forty percent of our population is smarter than sixty percent of the American people, Mike.
And there are times I'm convinced my neighbor's dog is smarter than sixty percent of America. I know he's smarter than my neighbor.