Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA
Firstly, I have no idea where these specific rules about Open are. Perhaps you could direct me to the correct place
I'd be happy to, moonbeam. The rules ares listed in the Passion's Respect and Tolerance and the Guidelines, both found in the member's area. I must assume you haven't read them, since you are asking where they are. I will use bold text to quote from them in this reply.
The Open Forum is designed for people to post their poetry and receive feedback or critiques. Can someone disagree with the poem? Of course..
Obviously, you're not going to agree with everything you find written at Passions. We consider that a good thing. How you express your disagreement, however, can too easily become a bad thing. Arguing against a concept or idea, even vehemently, is a good thing. Attacking the supporters of that concept or idea is a bad thing (even if the attack is subtle and indirect). Asking others to listen to your viewpoints and consider your arguments is a good thing. Refusing to listen to the viewpoints and arguments of others, simply because they contradict your own beliefs, is a bad thing. Conveying positive emotions (this is what X does for me) is a good thing. Conveying negative emotions can also be a good thing, but all too often becomes a bad thing (I hate Y).
What that says in plain English is that you may disagree with the topic but you may not do it in an insulting manner. You may disagree with comments but you may not respond in an insulting manner even if the attack is subtle and indirect. In other words, if a poster says that God is great and a responder replies with "Anyone who thinks God is great is a fool", that is calling the poster a fool, even when the commenter says "I didn't call HIM a fool." In the thread in question, there was rudeness exibited, negative emotions conveyed and was magnified by further replies. Nor was there any indication it was going to stop. That alone was enough to warrant a move to a discussion forum at best, or deletion at worst.
If you simply call someone's words stupid, by inference you are calling them stupid and turning it into a personal attack. Attaching derogatory labels, even to a concept, will often result in exactly the kind of behavior we are trying to discourage.
Derrogatory labels to a concept were used.
We do, however, try very hard to keep our poetry/prose forums separate from our Discussion forums
Now, moonbeam, your complaints about me are what?
1" You suggest that "banter" such as displayed in the thread is not welcome in Open." Yes, that is true, the banter consisting of insults, rudeness and personal challenge.
2 "2 You suggest that in Open you don't have freedom to express whatever thoughts you like." Yes, that is true. If the thoughts you want to express are direct or indirect attacks against a poster, you do not have that right.
3 "You suggest that Open is for posting poetry and commenting only on the poetry itself not the poet or his/her beliefs." Again it's the same thing. When the comments toward a poet or his beliefs begin conveying negative emotions, they are against guidelines and unwelcome.
In the thread in question, there were tickets issued that the thread was inappropriate for Open. Stephanos declared the this open debate would be better placed elsewhere. You agreed that it should be placed elsewhere. Vestibular Bard thanked me for pointing out the different forums that we have. You acknowledge that some of the comments were close to, or over the line, of the boundaires of the guidelines......and ,despite all of that, you come here to post a thread with the misleading and nonsensical title of "The Open Forum is Closed." I don't know what cause you are trying to champion or what point you are trying to make. The Open forum is alive and well and trying to stir a hornet's nest to suggest not makes little sense....unless the goal is simply trying to stir a hornet's nest.
Essorant's comment was right on..
If you may keep it respectful, I certainly would encourage it and discourage anyone from discouraging it. Write poetry, read it, and share your minds alongside it. I don't think there is any need to discourage any conversation that takes place alongside the poetry as long as it is done without "clawing" each other to shreds, of course
The thread in question had passed the respectful point and was on the road to clawing. You have a talent for injecting a bit of sarcasm and personal innuendos in your comment, Vestibular appears to be fairly well-equipped along those lines as well, and even I skip along that pathway quite often....but you'll never see it from me in Open. That is not the place for it and, as the moderator there, if I see a situation that could result in a problem, I will step in with suggestions to diffuse it. Stephanos had no problem with that. Neither did Vestibular Bard. You decided to call me on it here. No problem. Should the same type of situation occur in the future in some other post, my actions will be the same.....and that doesn't mean the Open Forum is closed.