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Huan Yi
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0 posted 12-12-2008 08:12 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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If anyone has been paying attention,
I’m hardly a Democrat, yet I feel sorry
for Rod Blagojevich, the governor of my state.

The accounts suggest he isn’t a rich man
and was trying, however crudely,
to assure through his dealings,
taking advantage of the opportunities afforded
him by the moment, that he and his own
wouldn’t finacially suffer in the future.

Who wouldn’t with a family,
not being wealthy,
do the same thing. . .


Meanwhile others
walk in sunlight
where only flowers grow
to feed both lion and lamb.


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1 posted 12-12-2008 11:17 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Who wouldn’t with a family,
not being wealthy,
do the same thing. . .


Anyone honest. There are many people with families making a lot less than him and don't turn into criminals. I doubt his family was on food stamps.

Sympathy for him. Don't bother looking here.


Believe it or not, my sympathy goes with Obama. I don't think he was involved in this and yet just the chicago connection hurts him. Whether I like it or not, the man will soon be the president and I'd like for him to have a chance. He didn't need this....
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2 posted 12-13-2008 07:27 AM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam



quote:
Believe it or not, my sympathy goes with Obama.

~~THUD~~ moonbeam fainting.
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3 posted 12-13-2008 08:02 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Lol! Sorry, moonbeam, didn't mean to make you lose your balance.

I don't think Obama is qualified to be top dog. I think he lied about his past associations and I don't think he will deliver on his promises. Having said that, he IS going to be the president and, believe it or not, my country is my top concern. It would not be good for America to have him shackled by events not of his making at the beginning of his leadership. He should have the chance to succeed or fail based solely on what he does when assuming command. If he fails, it will become obvious. If he succeeds and the country is better for it, he will have my respect and applause.
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Just curious, has Bush earned your respect and applause?

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"Anyone Honest"

Ditto.

Course being honest gets you mostly kicked in the gut.  

But still.

"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~

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6 posted 12-13-2008 12:22 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

You're not curious, Jennifer, just trying to get another argument started. Not interested....

Susan, then one has to determine if the honesty is worth the pain.
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Nope, not interested in arguing about Bush, he's history. Really was just curious whether he'd earned your respect and applause. Now I'm even more curioius about why you're not willing want to commit yourself one way or the another. But that's ok, think I understand.


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In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look to his character....

Noah Webster, Letters to a Young Gentleman Commencing His Education, 1789


Words of wisdom largely ignored today it appears.
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Here's another gem!

Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust must be men of unexceptionable characters.

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

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Well any honest man, no matter how poor would not try to pull off what Rod Blagojevich did.  For every action there is going to be a subsequent consequence right?

As for Obama, I don't think this will hurt him one bit either.  What I don't understand about American politics or people is that you now have a President Elect that has been chosen by the majority of your citizens, so whether you voted for him or not, why isn't everyone being part of the solution, instead of a problem?  He may be inexperienced as some suggest.  He may be not be lot of things his publicity team made him out to be, but he is now your President for this term, and has a huge job awaiting him. He can use your help.  He may not deliver on all his promises like every other President in history, but I am willing to bet this man gets gray hair trying.  

I felt I just had to give my two cents on this, as no matter who was elected, I think I would want to support them 100% until they needed to be removed, or impeached for violation of their terms of office.  

Hey, our politics up here aren't exactly rosy right now either, but somehow we will all stick together to see it through.

Merry Christmas Huan Yi by the way, and thanks for making me "think" over this past year about a lot of things I normally would let go.  
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11 posted 12-13-2008 05:01 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Exactly what I said in my post, Mysteria. Thank you...
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12 posted 12-13-2008 05:57 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

What if he didn't meet the requirements in the first place to even run to get those votes, Sharon? Wouldn't they have been gained by fraudulent means? Would it be considered being part of the solution and not being a problem, if he really shouldn't have been accepted on the ballot, but we give him our support anyway? Or would the reverse be true under those circumstances?

Maybe he is qualified under our Constitution to be President, but maybe he's not. The problem is, nobody really knows for sure. And that just shouldn't be the case, ever, but especially from someone who pledged transparency in government.

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Denise,

Ever seen the film Miracle on 34th Street?

Obama met the requirement of the state officials that added his name to the ballot, he met the requirement of the people who voted for him and, if the electoral college confirm that vote, he’ll have met the requirements under the constitutional laws for electing a President.

You can call it a paradox if you like, or a circular argument  but if he’s inaugurated as President his status as a natural born citizen is beyond question because he had to be one to become President.

Remember the film Miracle on 34th Street? In the court scene Kris Kringle is found by the judge to be Santa because the US postal service, a branch of the Federal government, accepts that Kris Kringle is Santa. If the state officials, the people of America and Congress accept Obama’s status as a natural born citizen then, however much it may annoy you, he is a natural born citizen.

Great film btw, I think I’ll go and dig it out again.



Bah - Humbug!
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I think it
must be hard
to expect going soon
from a somebody
to a nobody.

I just get the sense
not of greed
but desperation.

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I don't think so Grinch, this isn't a movie. Well, I guess it could qualify as a Mystery!

He doesn't gain natural born status, if he doesn't have it, simply because he was allowed to be placed on the ballot. He could have been placed there in error by those who assumed he was qualified by virtue of his affidavit.

The 'people' and Congress have accepted Obama, despite knowing whether he is qualified or not. Well, except for Bill Richardson. He seems to know that Obama is an immigrant, at least he said he was. Their acceptance can't confer a birth status on him that he may not actually possess.

State Officials, the voting public, the Electoral College and Congress can, in all actuality, accept, vote for, confirm and ratify those votes, either through ignorance or design, for a fraudulent candidate.

But, I know, it's hard to believe that a Chicago politician and Constitutional lawyer would be anything but truthful and above board in all his dealings!

He'll be the only President in history that, when you do a search for his birthplace, all you'll find is a Fight The Smears link! That might make homework assignments a bit sketchy!

It's astonishing that no hospital in Hawaii is clamoring to claim to be the birthplace of the first African-American President in U.S. history! It boggles the mind!
  
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John, get over it. You're not talking skid row bum here. The jerk had more than probably anyone here had, plus a high position, plus marrying well. Desperation? Come on down. I'll show you some desperate people. He ain't one....

Well, he is now....
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A long time ago, my baby was sick. I was frantic and distraught, and called my parents. My mother came over, and we stopped to get some of that liquid baby aspirin stuff--even 18 years ago the stuff was nearly ten dollars for a small precious vial of the stuff.

We went in the drug store, because I had not a penny to my name, my mother had come to my rescue. I picked a box of the stuff, and the box was empty. The next box I picked up, was also empty.

"Shoplifters!" My mother expressed her disgust.

I just kept looking until I found a box that had the medicine in it, while she ranted on about thieves.

I told her that some people didn't have a safety net of family or friends to come to their rescue. I told her further that if I did not have her to help her, and my baby was sick, I'd probably become a thief too.

She was shocked when she saw the high price of the medicine when we checked out at the register.

I told her the real thieves were the pharmaceutical companies who overpriced baby medicines, holding people emotionally hostage, knowing that those people would pay any price when their children are ill.

So I understand your sympathy for the devil, John. I hope my stories don't annoy you too much. ?

But Blago? I don't think he's in the same boat, either. The quotes I heard disgusted me.

I am living without a net now, btw.

I seem to have a lot of company on the high wire too. Let's hope things don't get too intolerable for the peasants. To quote my father--

"Desperate people do desperate things."

Peace to you this holiday season.
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Serenity gal, if you were to say you would steal medicine for your sick child, I would go along with it. It's an understandable decision.

To flip it over to "I'm not the thief, the pharmaceutical companies are" kills it for me. You ARE the thief...you simply feels that your actions are necessary. These justifications of pointing fingers elsewhere for one's own actions is a cop-out.

I would do the same thing to save a child...but I would acknowledge it for what it is.
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19 posted 12-13-2008 09:26 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I wouldn't plead innocent if I was caught Mike.

Therein lies the difference...
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quote:
I don't think so Grinch, this isn't a movie.


Trust me it will be at some point.

It’s never going to get to the scene where Obama is standing in court defending his status though, not if the movie is a depiction of real events. As I’ve said before it’s unlikely that it’ll ever get that far, you‘d have to find two idiots stupid enough to challenge the vote in the electoral college or an equally stupid individual to try to impeach him once he‘s sworn in.

If I were a betting man I’d put my shirt on that not happening any time soon, for one very good reason. Even the existence of a certificate of birth doesn’t 100% guarantee that the person holding it is who or what they say they are - it’s the first rule of forgery - if someone can make it someone can copy it. Can you imagine the law suits that’ll bog down every future election while each candidate is forced to jump through hoops to prove their status?

I can almost hear the losing candidates now.

“You’ve got a birth certificate - so what, that doesn’t prove anything - I demand a full investigation by congress and the supreme court and 35 witnesses to the birth.”

--------------------------------


As far as Rod Blagojevich goes the guy’s a jerk, if all the stories are true, and the notion that he was just doing right by his family doesn’t make any sense at all as far as I can see. If looking after his family was uppermost in his mind he surely weighed the consequences of his actions and what impact getting caught would have on his family and if he did it doesn’t say much about the man that he went right ahead and did it anyway.

"Desperate people do desperate things."

I think desperation is a valid mitigating circumstance when it comes to taking something you need like medicine for a baby. I think the deciding factor for me personally, if I were playing Judge Dredd, would be whether I’d have given them what they stole if they’d have explained the circumstances and asked me to help. The young mother with a sick baby would be walking home with her medicine but someone like Rod wouldn’t be walking anywhere for a while.

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CHICAGO (Reuters) – President-elect Barack Obama's choice for White House chief of staff spoke to Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's office about who the governor should appoint to replace Obama in the U.S. Senate, the Chicago Tribune reported on Saturday.
The Tribune, citing sources, reported that contact between Obama's staff and the governor's administration about the Senate seat started days before the November 4 election. The governor has sole power to appoint a replacement for Obama.

Emanuel called Harris with a list of names "acceptable" to Obama to fill the Senate vacancy, in conversations that were captured on court-approved wiretaps, the newspaper said.


Obama officials on Saturday did not respond to requests for comment on the Chicago Tribune report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081213/pl_nm/us_blagojevich_14

Not good news........why would Obama lie about it when it could be so easily uncovered?
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I read somewhere that a couple of the State level election boards are now requiring presentation of actual birth certificates along with other supporting documentation proving that you are who you say you are and were born where you say you were born, Grinch. True, anything can be forged, but this way at least you make it much harder for the crooks than simply having them sign an affidavit. So that is at least a move in the right direction.

I don't think he necessarily lied, Mike, but I only caught a glimpse of his clip on the news as I was passing through the living room and all I heard him say was that he did not have any contact with the governor's office, and had no idea what Blagojevich was up to.

But if he did say that neither he nor anyone on his staff had any contact with the governor's office, well then I guess you could say that he either lied, or he just didn't know what his staff was doing. Not good news in either event.

But it seems clear from Blagojevich's anger at Obama for not being willing to give anything but his appreciation for selecting someone from Obama's acceptable list, seems to put Obama in the clear of any wrongdoing in this 'pay to play' issue at least.

Well, now come to think of it, after I typed all that out, he had to be lying if he presented a list initially and then said later that all he would give was his appreciation for a selection from that list. He had to know that Blagojevich was up to no good.

So why would he lie about something that could be so easily uncovered? I don't know, but isn't it a crime not to report a felony? If he admits that he knew what Blagojevich was up to, then he would have to have contacted the authorities with that information or he would also be in trouble, or Rham would be, if he was the contact person and he had kept Obama in the dark about any illegal requests being made, and Rham was actually the one who said that only appreciation would be offered, unbeknownst to Obama. In which case it would be Rham who should get credit for not 'paying to play', but also the one obligated to notify the authorities.

Or maybe Obama just didn't have enough time to think before he was asked the question, and his response didn't come out the way that it actually would have if he'd had a minute or two to think about it. Maybe he simply misspoke. Or maybe he's been a part of the Chicago political machine for so long he can't tell the truth from a lie anymore.


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quote:
Not good news........why would Obama lie about it when it could be so easily uncovered?


What did he actually say Mike?

If Obama said that none of his staff had any contact at all with Blagojevich then I agree, at best he’s an idiot and at worst a liar. His staff are paid to have contact with anyone and everyone at every level of government who has influence and they would probably have had daily contact with Blagojevich.

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"We the People" forgive our politicians all manner of indiscretion...provided they possess a certain smarmy charisma.
Governor Begoneovich, no doubt, enjoyed such forgiveness for a while. And even now there are apologists for him supposing him to be mentally unbalanced as opposed to greedy, corrupt and criminal.

"Office" equals "license" to virtually ALL politicians. The difference between Blago and the rest is merely a matter of degree.

Very few use this license to serve the folks that gave them the office

  
 
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