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25 posted 12-01-2008 10:49 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Bob, I gave examples of positive news not covered by the mainstream media in this thread http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001762.html in which you responded to with comments about everything BUT the actual subject matter of the thread. I showed how anything positive about the situation in Iraq was completely ignored by the mainstream or, at best, given one line near the end of the broadcast or one comment on page 17 of the newspaper. Jennifer responded with a long list of criticisms and derrogatory stories presented by ABC, CNN, Reuters and others, which proved my point exactly. Perhaps you can show me over the past year the positive news stories concerning Iraq presented by these fine networks.

Apparently you have never watched Hannity and Combs, where both sidesare presented to situation and Combs is not censored in any way from presenting his views. Perhaps you have never seen interviews with democrats or right-wing leaners, up to and including Barack Obama, who were given the air time to present their views. What bothers Democrats is that Fox news will ask questions the other networks won't touch when it comes to right-wingers but will jump all over without hesitation if conservatives are involved. That has been obvious for quite a while, even through the Clinton administation, especially where Hillary was given so many free passes for her shennanigans, Gore for his and Bill?...no need to even go there.

As far as the past election was concerned, Fox asked questions untouched by the mainstream media, like..

What were Hillary's qualifications to be President? Was being a junior senator and wife of an ex-president enough? Why was she qualified?
What were Obama's qualifications to be President? Was being a junior senator and community organizer enough? Why is he qualified?
How could Obama actually fund his new programs when top economists claim it can't be done without raising taxes on everyone, including the middle class?
What about his claims to meet with leaders of rogue nations like Iran, Syria and Venezuela without preconditions?
What are his actual plans for Iraq?

On the economy. Fox asks why Barney Frank is not facing a congressional hearing on his role in doing nothing about the failure of Freddi Mac and Fannie Mae, even though he was warned years in advance of their situation? Do you see the mainstream media making any such demands? They don't even mention it any more? Fox asked questions about Obama's involvement with Acorn, how he trained their people in Acorn tactics and represented them in court, even though Acorn used blackmail and strong-arm tactics to force banks to give unsecured loans to unqualified buyers, which is a part of the crisis we are now facing? Have you see the mainstream media pursue these matters? No, you haven't.

These are valid questions and, if it weren't for Fox news, they would never even be asked. That's what Fox does and that's why they are feared and shunned by liberals. They ask question. They want answers to questions the left-wing media will not ask. That's why so many liberals will not appear on Fox to express their views. That's why Democrats refused to have debates where Fox news was involved. They do not want to be asked questions they do not want to explain and they know that Fox will ask them and the mainstream media won't.

There are two reasons why Fox is the most-watched news program and Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck are the top three most listened to radio programs..

They are positive on America
They ask questions the mainstream media won't.

If you feel that asking the tough questions, the ones politicians try to duck, is unfair, then they are not fair but, with the right-leaning mainstream media (which you claim doesn't exist), they certainly make the news balanced and, until Obama finds a way to use the Fairness Doctrine to silence them,  so it shall remain.
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These are valid questions and, if it weren't for Fox news, they would never even be asked.

Valid, Mike? Of all those you listed, I would consider only one to be a valid question. The rest are just fishing expeditions, with innuendo and suggestion used in place of a hook and worm. A valid question, to my mind, actually has an answer. The only response possible to almost every one of those questions is to offer an opinion. If you don't like the opinion, do you call it a wrong answer?

Oh, and the correct answer to the one valid question is simple: The top economists are clearly wrong, as is obvious to anyone who actually thinks about their answer.
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Positive coverage of left wings stuff, Denise?
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Interesting you would call them fishing expeditions, Ron. Asking for someone's qualifications is a fishing expedition? There is no answer? Asking what Obama's plans for Iraq is is a fishing expedition? As far as the top economists being wrong, I suppose I will bow to your wisdom which is obviously superior to theirs. All they did, probably, was to crunch the numbers of Obama's costs for his programs against the numbers of the tax dollars being brought in by his increases to the upper class but no one else and conclude that the numbers didn't add up? Just a guess on my part but I'm not as smart as they are...or you, I'm sure.
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Asking for someone's qualifications is a fishing expedition?

It is, Mike, when the only qualifications are age (must be 35) and nationality. Everything after that is subjective. I don't think Bush was ever qualified to lead this country. You probably do. That's because we don't agree on what qualifications are required. It's all opinion.

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All they did, probably, was to crunch the numbers of Obama's costs for his programs against the numbers of the tax dollars being brought in by his increases to the upper class but no one else and conclude that the numbers didn't add up?

That's not what your Fox question implied, Mike? "It can't be done without raising taxes on everyone" expresses an absolute that is clearly wrong. Of course it can be done without raising taxes on everyone, even if that might mean raising taxes higher than initially planned for the wealthy.

Valid questions don't require the acceptance of underlying and unspoken assumptions. "When did you stop beating your wife" is not a valid question.
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Well, Ron, we will simply have to agree to disagree, I suppose. Yes, those are the only two requirements to be President. In reality, however, people want to know what other kind of experience the candidate brings to the table, i.e., what makes him seem qualified, not only to win the post, but to be efficient in it. That, actually, should make some kind of difference to the educated voter, just as viewing a man's employment history makes a difference when selecting an employee. The job-seeker doesn't just say, "I'm over 21 and speak English, so I'm qualified." It takes a little more. You may say that all of the top economists are wrong and your qualifications are that you have a voice and can speak coherently, but does that qualify you to make such a statement? George Bush was a two-time governor of the second-largest state in the country. People could decide whether or not that was valid argument for his qualification. Clinton was governor of one of the poorer states in the country. People could decide whether or not that was a valid argument for his qualifications. Educated people like to see qualifications. They like to see something that tells them that the person they are selecting are capable of doing the job. Obama presented no qualifications, with the exception of being a community organizer, and was not pressed by the mainstream media to do so. Fox asked the questions, the ones Obama did not want to answer and the ones the mainstream media would not ask. You call that a fishing expedition? I'll call it a search for the truth.

"When did you stop beating your wife?" is a valid question if facts determined that you had actually beaten your wife. Economists looked at the cost of Obama's plans and the income from new taxes based on his parameters and said, "Not a chance." How that relates to the wife-beating example escapes me. Of course, many things escape me
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Actually, there are three requirements. A candidate for President must also have been a resident for at least 14 years, in addition to being at least 35 years old and a natural born citizen.
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This last requirement was why Hoover's qualifications were called into question.  As an engineer, much of his time was spent on major projects outside of the country.  In the long run, and I don't know how or why, his candidacy was allowed to stand.
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There are two reasons why Fox is the most-watched news program and Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck are the top three most listened to radio programs..

They are positive on America
They ask questions the mainstream media won't.


I find Fox News to be pretentious and sensationalistic, operating their catch phrase “Fair and Balanced” like any merchant would with a product to sell. Pimping their non-partisan ship for viewership is more brow-raising to me than a network bloated with the obvious. I even question some of Fox anchors’ educational backgrounds. I’ve heard them ask questions that are riddled with uneducated bents that seem to be designed for defamation of character and disguised as “fair lines of questioning.” Perhaps they are educated slants, but I feel no self-respecting agents for the truth could pose such questions without suffering a malignant blemish upon their integrity.

Fox isn’t more accurate of the news as any other, in my eyes, and their left/right displays tend to be poppycock pits more than a “fair and balanced” platform of discussion/debate.

Sorry, Fox gets no hailing from me; though they get lucky from time to time like everyone else with a real story with real substance and real input warranting all to want to say tuned--the stuff that channels vie for.

Limbaugh represents the dry heaves of airwaves to me and I’ve never listened to Hannity nor Beck and I doubt I ever will. I don’t feel I’m terribly uninformed due to my views or lack of viewership of any of those selected as tops.

I’d be careful to defend ANY network reliant upon inclusion into Fortune 500’s Entertainment slot. Which Fox (News Corp) is 3rd in line after Time Warner and Walt Disney. LOL.
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You call that a fishing expedition? I'll call it a search for the truth.


I’d much rather hear silence from Obama’s end than the blithering noise of benders like Clinton and Bush. Their seemingly “parallel realms of truth” proved to be both hilariously convenient and dangerous.

“I did not have sex with that woman.” and  “We found the weapons of mass destruction.”

Your argument could make them over-qualified for president, being they were so forthcoming and open to any and all “perceptions” of the truth, which didn’t matter then and it doesn’t now.

I didn’t think Obama’s experience qualified him for president, but for the past 16 years we’ve been led by those who’ve proven they weren’t all that qualified with their experience. I hope he proves me wrong.

I do not find Obama insolent for answers as much as unable to be “Fox’d” out of some hole he’s supposedly in when he hasn’t even had a chance to prove anything meritorious of his platform, yet, as president. I mean how much is the truth worth to a country filled with a great many believers that the polls were fixed and Obama is a conspiratorial Muslim, Marxist, Acorn Godfathering Mafioso, Antichrist. Hell, he’s not even American?

I thought I was being rough by pointing out his lack of political experience.

making Hill 3rd in line is kinda ironic (compared to Fox) but hey? Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Especially Foxy Ladies!

[This message has been edited by rwood (12-03-2008 12:31 PM).]

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Regina, you need to stop being so guarded in your replies. Just come out and tell us how you feel!
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Laugh. I know. I went way too easy on Limbaugh, didn't I? Just ribbing you.

I guess I'm not feeling so foxy.

There's always tomorrow
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I know they have already black listed fox news...  Personally I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be like the Clinton administration and poeple disappear.

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