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Juju
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225 posted 12-05-2008 06:37 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

I don't think money was the problem

-Juju

-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

Bob K
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Dear Juju,

quote:
  Juju:
Oh and go look up the cause for her injury



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Juju:
(:
The last time I checked accusing someone of having an incest family to knock their credibility was a fallacy



Sincerely, Bob Kaven
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Dear Juju,

         Apparently the previous eight paragraphs of my reply were material you did not wish to reply to.  I will not speculate as to why that might be.

     I suggest that the material in the previous eight paragraphs of my post might be worth your consideration.  I would certainly appreciate a considered response to them.

     I would suggest that in terms of my previous point, you might consider some of the pioneering work of Judith Herman, who has done considerable research and psychotherapy with incest survivors.  If I remember correctly, she was also one of the people who was instrumental in getting the Elizabeth Stone House started in the Boston area, and a pioneer in Feminist Psychotherapy.  She would probably be quite sympathetic to your feelings of anger about how the demands for women to conform to standards of beauty by the society are damaging to women themselves and the culture, too.

     For all I know, she might even agree with you about the case as a whole.  She's an extraordinarily bright woman and a widely respected thinker.  If you aren't familiar with her work, as a woman who has strong feelings about the way women are treated, you might find yourself interested in what she has to say.

     You can still stay steamed at me, after all.

     About incest, women really have gotten a terrible deal in more ways than I can talk about here, including its being massively underreported, and often having it disbelieved when it is reported.  Whether or not it's a factor here lets say it's not, because I don't want to get off the issue of the decision about who decides about living and dying it's a massive factor in the psychological undercurrents of the country.  Not just this country, all of them, near as I can tell, though I'm stretching the research to say that, since the cross-cultural research is stuff I'm not familiar with.

     Oh well, I'm way off the topic here.  I'm sorry everybody, but it's a topic that I find upsetting and actually underdiscussed.  No wonder.

Sincerely yours,  Bob Kaven

Juju
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I didn't have sex with any family members, in fact I think the accusation is sorta weird. O_o

I typically don't respond to insults, unless you were not talking about me, than you should be a whole lot more clear about the situation and who you are talking about. O_o

Juju



-Juju

-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

[This message has been edited by Ron (12-06-2008 08:46 AM).]

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Dear Juju,

          Not you, Juju.  I'm not trying to insult anybody.  Talking about The eating disorder stuff side-tracked me.  I thought it was a possibility, though distant, in the Schaivo case.  I don't confuse you with Terri Schaivo.

     Also, Juju, if Terri Schaivo or anybody else had been an incest survivor, it's not an insult.  It's an indication of courage and strength and a matter for some pride.

     There are, I'm sure, many things for you to be proud of, even if this isn't one of them.  No insult was intended.  Nor was I suggesting incest in your family.  Many families that have reported it to me have surprised me when they did so, and some I have known well.

     The suggestions about the literature were because of your strong reactions to some of the material we were talking about, and because Judith Herman is a respected researcher in the field.  If you're interested in more information about abuse of women or child abuse, I'm interested in that as well, though my grasp on the literature is dusty.  This is me trying to be a resource, not trying to make fun of you or insult you.

     I will be out of town for about the next ten days, but I'll be available after that.  Best wishes,  Bob Kaven
 
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