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The Presidential "Race"

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Easy enough to reach that conclusion, Jim. Look at Murtha's comments in congress. Look at Kerry's comments about our troops over there "indiscrimately killing a raping civilians". Look at Obama's comments about how we are over the "bombing innocent civilians". Look at how the liberals went wild about Abu Ghrab and how they tried to use it for political purposes. Were the actions there wrong? Of course they were but liberals tried to indict Bush and the entire military over it and you know it wasn't like that, just as I'm sure you saw things in Nam that were not indicative of the military as a whole. Look at how they tried to paint the worst possible picture of Gitmo, accusing the soldiers there of torture and atrocities, once again for purely political reasons. How could the public have those notions? The question is - how could they NOT have those notions.


We've talked about this time and time again for the past five years, so actually bothering taking the time reiterating all I've said before is exasperating, but I will say this.

Given that you have served yourself in the military, and indeed had to put up with prejudices along with your fellow comrades coming home decades ago, I can understand how those wounds cut right to the bone, and perhaps never heal, still sting to the touch. I wholeheartedly regret ANY of that took place then, and such spitting in the faces and other offensive gestures are to be condemned.

Having said that, I READ all the same stories as you do. I scrutinize the whole transcripts of what Durbin and Kerry and Obama and others have said, and I simply believe it is hyperbolic that what they say is anti-military and simply biting criticisms of the Bush Administration and the government. And for someone so concerned in honest reporting all of a sudden, I would expect more from you than contributing to the outright blanket accusations, strawmans and ad hominems against an entire populace, an entire political positioning, that you so eloquently do.

Meanwhile, again and again I have pointed out how neoconservatives in the Pentagon and Washington continue to shamelessly exploit our young men and women in uniform in carrying out their regime in modernizing the Middle East and treating our troops like a regional geopolitical police force, and eschewing all ethics and responsibilities in the process, even if it means they get outdated Cold War-era military technology on the field, even if their affiliates like Halliburton offer contaminated water and force them to pay for their meals, even if it means failing to discourage waterboarding and suspending habeas corpus rights, etc.

And while you direct the entirety of your outrage against several poignant individuals whose critiques were blatantly taken out of context, you allow their degradation of our military to go without protest. Essentially, I believe the demeanor and ideology of the likes of Richard Perle and Norman Podhoretz and their colleagues is far more disrespectful to our military than about anything I've heard from anyone in either side of the aisle in Congress. Because actions speak louder than words, and it's the neocons that are taking action. And it's also the GOP establishment that is far more likely to be apologetic toward their ideology.

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Once again, direct comments from democrats have been taken "out of context". That excuse is getting very, very old.

And, no Noah, you don't understand.
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Did the troops indiscriminately kill and rape civilians or bomb innocent civilians?

Good question, Grinch. First, let's determine who "the troops" are. Who are they? I don't know. Murtha doesn't know. Kerry doesn't know. They don't specify anyone. They just say "the troops" and they use that phrase to throw a bad light on the military in general.

Was there ever indiscriminate killing and raping of civilians? I would like to think not but I can't be sure. If there were, would it be "the troops" or would it be a few demented soldiers clearly in the wrong? If a worker at MacDonald's got mad at a customer and punched him, can I they say "Workers at MacDonald's punch out customers?"

There are thousands and thousands of good, decent men out there, fighting for their country and doing what they feel is right. To throw around comments like so much garbage about "the troops" committing murder and atrocities is not only an insult to them, it is wrong....and to do it for purely political purposes is not only wrong, it is immoral.
 
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