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Why should Palin be off the rack while the men are in Armani? What the crap? Does everyone think those men are suited up from shoes to Rolex out of a Sears wish book?


  
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I've heard about McCain's shoes but that's all. Who has the Rolex and wears Armani? Oh, and the suit Obama wore at the convention was a Hartmax Corp label, made by union workers.  

Here's a fun piece about Palin's "Wardrobe Malfunction".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-karel-bouley/palins-wardrobe-malfuncti_b_137235.html

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Politicians can wear whatever they like as far as Iím concerned as long as they pay for it out of their own pocket.

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I agree with Grinch. I'm not sure about the 150k (or whatever the figure is) on Palin. Many of the clothes are loaners. So I don't have a grasp on the true dollar amount.

I do know this: Women are vicious and have a very persecuting eye on any woman in the spotlight. We'll rip her apart no matter what she wears or how she wears it.

I think Palin looks great. If I had to pick anything to critique about her image I'd say her hairstyle is a bit of a throw-back to Ivana Trump. Still, she's attractive and poised with courage. She's holding a political position and becoming ready for nearly any office apart from VP. That's my opinion. She's not ready for VP. Period. I don't harbor anything cruel toward the woman because she's admirable in many lights.

As far as my Armani and Rolex remark? Trust me. They own both. It's signature. As well as Italian leather shoes. And I don't care. Because they can afford them. Though they could pay more attention to "cut." McCain tends to choose cuts that wear him.

How is this remotely important to choosing a Head of State? I don't know. The observations are a fascinating anomaly for most any country that affords entertainment.

We can all have fun with it, but I sincerely hope the victor can put some rugged wear on so we can all get through the mess our gov has become.

  


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Amen, Regina, on your last line.

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grinch, your comment is out of touch with reality, I'm afraid.

Politicians in major functions and even on the campaign trail seldom wear their own clothes. This is not limited to politicians. Not sure how it is there but here, after the news has been broadcast, there will follow credits..Dan Rather's wardrobe by Armani's,Ms. Couric's dress by Versache,hair styling by Lloyd's....and on and on. Movie stars at the Oscars or public awards or other functions do not wear their own clothes. They are given those 100,000 dollar gowns to advertise the creators. After the functions are over, the clothes go back.

In your small rush to get a dig in, I think you have overlooked all of these things and the logic behind all these things. Palin wore clothes that were returned and given to charities days later. Big deal. To me it shows, not only the prejudice of the media to even make that an issue, but pettiness on those who jump on the bandwagon for such a non-topic that they know is simply a wide-spread practice among those required to be in the public eye.

It also goes to show how petty the press is in their orchestrated smear campaign against Palin. When they have to come up with things like that, they must really be running out of material.
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Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think the Palin wardrobe coverage was payback for the Edwards haircut coverage.  The issue for him, at the time, was that he was an elite rich guy out of touch with mainstream middle-class folks.  

Palin is middle-class according to Obama's definition of $125k or less a year.  She's never claimed to be an elitist, as a matter of fact, she's been just the opposite, and got knocked for it.  

This story was created as payback -tit for tat for Edwards.  By the way, Edwards is ANOTHER story that died just a week after the scandel.  How many more examples do you need on which stories the media chooses to OVERCOVER?
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grinch, your comment is out of touch with reality, I'm afraid.


The reality in the UK is that politicians buy their own clothes - any deviation from that reality would result in a swift exit from British politics, not to mention the risk of being hounded by the taxpaying population. We donít take kindly to people utilizing our hard earned cash to fund their extravagant lifestyles and Americans donĎt deserve anything less.

Politicians, both American and British, are supposed to be the representatives of the people, itís an honour that we bestow on them and for which they receive adequate financial reward. If hey want to live like movie stars or kings theyíre in the wrong job.

Accepting gifts is a gnats breath away from accepting bribes as far as Iím concerned, if you practice one itĎs easy to slip into the other.

That covers all politicians from whatever party and giving the clothes away to charity if you get caught with your hand in the wardrobe doesnít make it OK. Iíve changed my mind about Palin, I quite liked her at first, I even thought sheíd make a good VP but sheís gone down in my estimation.

Sheís shrugged too many Atlases.

I stand by my jab - Politicians can wear whatever they like as far as Iím concerned as long as they pay for it out of their own pocket. That may not be the way it is but that doesnít mean itís not the way it should be.

Whatever happened to ďAsk not what your country can do for youĒ?

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As far as ACORN as an organization goes, where investigations of them are now being conducted in 12 States, and where Obama's lawyers are busy trying to impede those investigations, where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
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Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

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Obama's lawyers are busy trying to impede those investigations,


How?

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That covers all politicians from whatever party and giving the clothes away to charity if you get caught with your hand in the wardrobe doesnít make it OK..

Wow. Ok, Mr. Grinch. I'm not to to try to debate further with someone who would go to those lengths for some sort of justification for their opinions.

Palin and others have been wearing supplied clothing forever, which then go to charity or back to the manufacturer. You insinuation that Palin does the same thing and only relinquishes them because she was caught is not only biased, it shows a prejucial side and level of twisting by you I haven't seen before. Normally I find your arguments reasonable but, to come up with some kind of statement like that, well....carry on, sir.
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mmmmm

As far as ACORN is concerned:
why are Dem's so reluctant to hold the employer accountable for the actions of 100's?  Wouldn't they normally scream for accountability on the part of CEO's?

What was their initial solution to the bad pollsters?  Hire former-convicts.  Great strategy, ACORN.
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Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic opined:

"Republicans, RNC donors and at least one RNC staff member have e-mailed me tonight to share their utter (and not-for-attribution) disgust at the expenditures. ... The heat for this story will come from Republicans who cannot understand how their party would do something this stupid ... particularly (and, it must be said, viewed retroactively) during the collapse of the financial system and the probable beginning of a recession."

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Is there a link for that opinion?
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Here's an interesting commentary, Grinch.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=78827

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Palin and others have been wearing supplied clothing forever, which then go to charity or back to the manufacturer.


Wanna bid on 20 grands worth of used make-up Deer, how about a couple of hundred dollars for two reconstituted, eaten only once, lobster.



You might think itís ok but I for one ainít buying it.

Before you know where you are all your politicians will be on the take.

Hmmm.

Denise,

Itís definitely an interesting story, Iíve been following it closely, did you research the background? Talk about wasting public money. I hope the investigations into the false claims and pressure for FBI involvement are thoroughly investigated as Obama has requested and, this time around, those responsible are prosecuted.

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I'm hoping that the investigations go forward, unimpeded by Obama, and that most of the fraudulent registrations (and early fraudulent votes already cast) are thrown out, as they should be. Each fraudulent vote cast cancels out one legitimate vote cast, which undermines the entire process, and that is something that both parties should be concerned about, if they care about free and fair elections.
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Iím in total agreement Denise, the sooner they get those Republican vote riggers in the slammer the better.

Do you think McCain will go through with it though if he wins, wouldn't that just be political suicide?

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Do you wanna know why this 'wardrobe' discussion is bogus?

The men ALWAYS wear suits:  the more expensive they look, the worse they're perceived.  They can have 4-5 suits, change their ties and voila....instant election uniform.

Women can't wear the same suit time after time in public.  Also they can't dress down too much (see the Palin discussions about her previous clothing).   Also, the money went to clothing her children who are with her on the trail.  They didn't have any suitable clothing for national television either.  It was the RNC's decision that they needed upgrading, across the board, and they were right.  You're just not going to go on national television in a consignment center outfit.
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Hi Denise:

RE: "As far as ACORN as an organization goes, where investigations of them are now being conducted in 12 States, and where Obama's lawyers are busy trying to impede those investigations, where there is smoke, there is usually fire."

Once again I suggest that "investigations" are just that.  Your posts have yet to offer ANY reference to ANY indictments etc, ever, of ACORN the Organization, let alone indictments or trials or convictions of any ACORN employees beyond the eight already granted.

And I'm sorry, but the posts offer no FACTUAL EVIDENCE at all to support the notion that Obama's "lawyer's" are impeding anything. Show me data, FACTS, and I'll happily change my mind.  Really!

Anyone can accuse anyone of anything, though they best have their facts straight before they go to court.  Makes life easier.  

Any legally entitled organization from our friendly local police forces, through any city's Animal Abuse Units to the FBI and the CIA and the Treasury Department and on and on, can investigate any complaint against possible illegal activity made against anybody or any organization if they choose to.  An "investigation" does not presume or even imply guilt.

Since ALL "investigations" of ACORN the organization have failed, so far to result in any court action in any arena, best one can say is "where there is smoke, there is smoke."  And, truly not meaning to insult anyone personally, and you in particular, we all know where a lot of smoke gets blown.

I don't expect anyone or everyone to agree with ACORN's positions or legal tactics.  I do hope people will look at facts.

MIKE:  Aw, you caught me out, sort of, on Rush Limbaugh.  I don't care about him personally one way or the other except as a fellow human being, and certainly don't wish him personal ill or harm.  On the other hand, I think he's an obnoxious, hate spewing scoundrel who is entitled to be obnoxious and spew hatred.  You can quote me back on the free speech whenever you want.

Howard Cosell and Don Imus were kicked off the air after making inadvertent "racist" remarks.  They were kicked off the air by their employers, not the government.  It's not a trivial distinction.

In the middle of the "Great Depression," Woody Guthrie wrote a patriotic folk song with the lines "There's a-better times a'comin, can't you see, see, see!  There's a-better times a'comin', can't you see?"

Of course, he wrote it in 1933 and was off by about ten years.  I don't expect the Democrats will turn the economy around in 90 days, but hey, it's all historically cyclical.  Let's hope for a shorter cycle than the last time!

Best, Jimbeaux
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Howard Cosell and Don Imus were kicked off the air after making inadvertent "racist" remarks.  They were kicked off the air by their employers, not the government.  It's not a trivial distinction.

Not trivial at all, Jim. It is a big distinction. Neither Howard Cosell or Imus were brought up on the floor of the senate and discussed as possibly being bad for the country.

Rush may be a lot of things for sure. He is a clown, a performer, an egoist and other things but a hate monger or hate spewer??? I've never heard that one at all and would have to see some evidence of that happening. Hate mongering is very strong and sounds more like a phrase someone would use out of a strong personal dislike instead of having a basis in reality. Whether one agrees with his thoughts or not, no one can deny that his programs, along with Hannity's and other like-minded individuals, contain a love for America and support for our troops. The programs are filled with what they feel is RIGHT about America, not what's wrong. They dwell on positives, not negatives, and that's what makes them the most listened to talk shows in the country. That's why Air America, the liberal wannabe that tried to counter them, failed. They dwelled on pessimism, what was WRONG with America and all negatives and thus went down in flames.

Rush doesn't need my defense and, actually, I laugh at him as much as anyone else and take him with a large grain of salt much of the time. But a hate monger, spewing hatred?? It's hard to imagine anyone saying that although I respect your right to do so. Guess we see, and hear, whatever we want to..
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Hi Mike  -- OK, you've convinced me about Rush Limbaugh.  I shall temper my language and adopt yours.  He's a clown.

I don't know where the notion, and I'm not saying it is your notion, i.e., not putting words in your mouth, that Conservatives support out troops and Liberals don't. There's a difference, I think. between supporting our troops and supporting dubious military adventures.

When I was a "troop" in Viet Nam, Nixon for example (hee hee) was elected in part on his promise that he had had a plan to end the war.  His "plan" did indeed involve a drawdown in troop strength.  Unfortunately, his plan involved keeping the war going for two additional years, resulting in a few thousand more dead American "troopers," multiple thousands more wounded American "troopers," and an unknown but probably much larger number of dead and wounded North and South Vietnamese "troopers" and civilians.  This, while Vietnamese and US diplomats argued over who got to sit where and at what shape table.  Some plan!  Some "support."

I don't think we can end our involvement in Iraq overnight.  Logistical considerations alone suggest it might take many months to a a year just to pull out and blow up everything we're forced to leave behind.  But hey, the sooner our government under any administration begins showing THAT kind of support for the troops, the sooner it will be over, and the Iraqi's can get back to the serious business of killing each other.

The best I can tell -- and we do, of course, form our opinions from what we read and how we read what we read -- the Afghan/Pakistan situation is a different ball game.  All wars suck, but this conflict seems to "about" something, the supression of a terrorist element which not only threatens to, but, as I understand it, has already attacked our country with devastating results.  "Supporting our troops" and protecting American citizens, in this instance, might well mean sending more troopers in, enough to accomplish the job and then go home.

Here's a truly nasty thought:  While we're at it, why not spray the poppy fields with Agent Orange?  Sounds like a perfect job for Blackwater or any of the other mercenary outfits the government currently employs.  I'm kidding, of course, about this particular notion.  I'm not kidding about the disgusting practice of using private contract killers to avoid little things like responsibility under the Geneva Convention.  Both Democrats and Republicans allow this to continue.  Shame on all of us for that!

I'm not a knee-jerk Liberal.  The Sixty Minutes interview with T. Boone Pickens convinced me that he had some really decent ideas for a Republican oil billionaire, or anyone else, for that matter.

Maybe I'll cast a write in ballot for Pickens and Ron Paul.  

Best, Jimbeaux   
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The notion that Conservatives support out troops and Liberals don't.

Easy enough to reach that conclusion, Jim. Look at Murtha's comments in congress. Look at Kerry's comments about our troops over there "indiscrimately killing a raping civilians". Look at Obama's comments about how we are over the "bombing innocent civilians". Look at how the liberals went wild about Abu Ghrab and how they tried to use it for political purposes. Were the actions there wrong? Of course they were but liberals tried to indict Bush and the entire military over it and you know it wasn't like that, just as I'm sure you saw things in Nam that were not indicative of the military as a whole. Look at how they tried to paint the worst possible picture of Gitmo, accusing the soldiers there of torture and atrocities, once again for purely political reasons. How could the public have those notions? The question is - how could they NOT have those notions.

I understand what you are saying about Viet Nam and I share the thoughts. One thing that is different, though, between Iraq and Nam is that, in Iraq, the dictator was disposed and actual good IS being done in the country. In Nam it was just the same treadmill every day, with no attempt to defeat the North by taking the fight to them and no progress made at all with regard to the safety or reconstruction of the South.

Pickens? I think he would have my vote in a minute!  
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Mike,

Did the troops indiscriminately kill and rape civilians or bomb innocent civilians? Itís kinda important, I mean if the Liberals were just making it all up then your comment is valid.

If the troops actually did all that stuff how much support do they deserve? Would you support troops who did that sort of thing? I wouldnít.

BTW Pickens may just want to steal water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70HFEHB6dag&feature=related


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quote:
The programs are filled with what they feel is RIGHT about America, not what's wrong. They dwell on positives, not negatives, and that's what makes them the most listened to talk shows in the country. That's why Air America, the liberal wannabe that tried to counter them, failed. They dwelled on pessimism, what was WRONG with America and all negatives and thus went down in flames.


Ahhhhhh, so you can see now why Obama's campaign is faring better than McCain's campaign, can you?  

Because regardless of how "right" or "wrong" each candidate is or may be, the upshoot of it all is that, when you look closely at the debates, when you look closely at the rallies, there's a stark difference rhetorically, where Obama has a more optimistic tone that our best days are ahead of us and though there will be challenges and we'll have to make sacrifices that we will ultimately prevail, while McCain's message is heavily past-looking and aimed more at antagonizing his opponent. You saw that with how he always invoked Reagan, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, all these historical names which ultimately drifted nowhere and lacked coherence. You saw that with how he couldn't even look at his opponent in the first debate, and by the last debate he was rather staring at his opponent and you could see him roll his eyes on camera after one of Obama's answers, and calling Obama "that one" during the second debate.

So by your above logic, it should be clear as day to you supposedly why the public finds the Obama campaign more appealing than the McCain campaign. Because the latter is "dwelling on pessimism" and ultimately voters want someone who they believe can lift the morale of the country up in times of grave turmoil and chaos, regardless of how imperfect all candidates are.

Is it all just "playing" with the voters? Is it all dishonest reporting? Could very well be. In fact it often is. But style and temperament is just as important, perhaps even more so, in a campaign than rhetoric and substance, and the former is something the McCain campaign hasn't understood well, just as Kerry didn't understand well enough in 2004 and what Gore didn't fathom in 2000.

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