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Hi, Serenity:  Aren't you amazed at how different the coverages are?  They still beat up on Palin whenever possible, but I think you have something there.  I watch all three networks, every or close to every night to see the disparity.  It really does take watching all three to get the news the other networks conviently forgot to put in.  I'm kind of bummed that CNN sacked Glen Beck, their only conversative.  But then, I've always called CNN the Communist News Network.  Their 'world government' takes really bore me anymore.  

  Just an FYI: i read Drudge, Huffington Post, NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Trib, and even at times KOS.  I like to know what my adversaries' takes on news items are.  Seems people are great anymore at making 'excuses' for their candidates, and thus writing off their errors and foibles.  
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Nearly $200,000 from GOP donor contributions was spent to put lipstick on the Alaskan pitbull. Doesn't that seem a little insensitive when people are struggling just to survive in these tough economic times? I know I struggled and did without (a lot!)in order to make contributions to the Obama campaign. Had Michelle used that money to buy a fake Louis Vuitton bag for one of her girls, or up her own wardrobe when she could afford to do it herself, I'd be just as upset as the GOP donors who are complaining now about Palin.
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102 posted 10-25-2008 05:44 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Thanks Denise!

(The weather helps a lot.)

I'm working on my memory too--but until then I have only my word that I specifically heard the words, "clothing" come out of McCain's mouth as he talked about proper spending of campaign funds. I can't even tell you what station aired that because I was hitting the "flash" button on the remote.

But like I said, I am shrugging here. I thought John Kerry's haircut was silly too.

I think perhaps after a lifetime of watching Louisiana politics, I'm a bit inured, maybe? nod

Now I need to go put on some make-up. And nodding at that one too. I happen to think McCain's make up allowance was worth every penny. There was a noticeable improvement after he hired the best. (And no, I'm not kidding--I had told others privately that he was far too pale for television previously.) I'm totally serious. If I were Republican and had made a campaign contribution, I would expect the guy to utilize the monies wisely, and looking healthy on television is a wise decision.

So...shrug.

I'm off to "hair and make-up"!



Be well.
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Have a good time, Karen!

Then I guess you're really upset about the $400,000 plus (or should I say nearly 1/2 a million?) that Obama is spending on his Chicago victoy (he hopes!) party on election night, Jen. As a donor, did you receive your invitation to that blow-out bash?

At least with Palin's campaign wardrobe the funds will be recovered, and probably then some, and donated to charity. And that's fine with me.
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ACORN has a disgraceful record of employing people at all levels of the organization that have been found guilty of fraud.


Sorry Denise, I was a little confused there for a moment, I thought you were trying to insinuate that ACORN were guilty of voter fraud or voter registration fraud. It seems that what you really meant was that some people who were employed by ACORN committed registration fraud while at the same time defrauding ACORN.

I agree.

Did you check out Nathan Sproul, what do you think of him?
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105 posted 10-25-2008 06:13 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

How much is McCain spending on his election night party? His will be at the Biltmore in Phoenix with limited access (and you know what that means $$$$$$) and Obama's in Grant Park in Chicago and will be free and open to all. No invitation necessary.
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106 posted 10-25-2008 06:15 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Hey threadbear! Didn't mean to ignore anybody there...

and speaking of sports, this is getting to be like raquetball.

Seriously, I'd just like to say that after the election is done--we need to stop all the bickering, as amusing as some of it is--I think we all agree that we've really got to get it together.

Me? I'm not allowed to vote.

After a series of mishaps--I was, um,

purged. (I'm all about the irony, I am...)

Don't get upset now.

I wasn't going to be able to vote anyhow, since the government can't agree on who the heck I am.

I have no Id.

I.D., I mean...heh! But they like me, whomever I am...

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ACORN has a disgraceful record of employing people at all levels of the organization that have been found guilty of fraud


Indeed, there have been several workers. And I'm happy the system caught and convicted them.

If ACORN were convicted as an organization, they would cease to exist, as with any organization.

The type of wrong info being spammed and spread around makes many voters lose faith in the systems and they won't vote. How does that help anyone? I think putting fear into people and reducing their power to make their vote count undermines a democracy.

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108 posted 10-25-2008 06:34 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I don't have a problem with what any of them are spending for their campaigns, Jen. It seemed that you were the one who was having a problem with it.
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109 posted 10-25-2008 06:48 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Actually it was Jeff who brought up the topic of Palin's $150,000 wardrobe. I just joined in for a free ride on the finger pointing rollercoaster.
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I don't see what's wrong with 150000 wardrobe.  She didn't have anything to wear.  Besides it cost less then a million dollar hair cut

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111 posted 10-25-2008 08:18 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I read somewhere above someone complain about extravagant spending at this time when so many people are struggling to survive.


According to Michelle Obama, “The truth is, in order to get things like Universal Health Care and a revamped Education System, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of the pie so that someone else can have more.”
Oh, really? Who is the someone who gives up a piece of the pie?
On October, 15,2008, Michelle Obama spent $447.39 on room service (for 2) at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel for an afternoon snack of Lobster Hors D’Oeuvres ($50.00), Whole Steamed Lobsters (100.00), Iranian Osetra Caviar ($150.00), and Bollinger Champagne ($44.00)


You mean like that????
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My view is that if she used her own money Mike it’s a good thing - she’s redistributing her wealth and stimulating the economy. If she’s spending someone else’s money however she’s extracting the urine from some poor sucker - in the same way Palin is.
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"On October, 15,2008, Michelle Obama spent $447.39 on room service (for 2) at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel for an afternoon snack of Lobster Hors D’Oeuvres ($50.00), Whole Steamed Lobsters (100.00), Iranian Osetra Caviar ($150.00), and Bollinger Champagne ($44.00)"

Actually, Balladeer, that never happened. I just don't understand why the right continues to try and smear Obama (and his wife) by posting stories like that which have already been proven to be false.
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114 posted 10-25-2008 08:44 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

agreed, grinch..for the rich to spend money on themselves, like Edward's $400.00 haircut, does invigorate the economy. Of course, when I mentioned this point once before concerning Brad Pitt's 5 million dollar wedding and how it helped a variety of companies like caterers, bakers, waitresses, set-up people, florists and a long list of others, I was met with derision from our left standers on how that was a lot of bull. Interesting, no?

If the rich spending lavishly is good for the economy, they why tax them even further to have less money in which to continue this invigoration?
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Interesting, Jennifer. I saw it on the news and then in an e-mail. I checked it out on Snopes, which is always on top of things like that and there is no mention of it one way or another.

Grinch is under the impression that, if indeed it did occur, there is no problem beacuse it is her money. Is it?...or, since she is officially on the campaign trail, are hotel expenses and food taken out of the Democratic campaign money? It would be interesting to know.

You continue with meaningless insults like "putting lipstick on the pitbull", which seems to be lacking in even the most insignificant cleverness, and yet refer to "insensitivities" of the right as if there exists none among the left. I'm sure you are as aware as anyone else that is not the case....and so it goes.
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I'm considering those examples, Mike.

Seems to me that supports the idea of elitism not supporting the theory of trickle down economics...

Doesn't there have to be a larger number of people with money for the trickle down theory to work?

What was Alan Greenspan apologizing for last week?

not a poke, no weapons, just questions...

I am Karen, the self-confessed burnt out stoner chick, so I'm thinking of trickle down economics as a shower head. The smaller the head and fewer the holes, the less likely you'll get that full, invigorating effect when you shower, right?

Maybe it's time to update the plumbing...

*smile*

If I could, I'd vote for Obama. But you already know that.

I don't agree with everything I've heard, nor do I pretend to understand it.

But the witch in me (and thanks to a buddy for the following line) just wants to throw a virgin on the fire.

McCain's camp looks like they are going to be squabbling for a few years anyhow.

So shrug...

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/roomservice.asp

It was listed under Obama instead of Michele. My apologies...the story has indeed been declared false and I share disdain for anyone from either party who engages in such deceptions.
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If the rich spending lavishly is good for the economy, they why tax them even further to have less money in which to continue this invigoration?


I think the stock answer would be that the rich are rich because they aren’t spending the money, the idea is that if you redistribute it to the poor they’re guaranteed to spend it.

That’s not actually what’s going to happen though, Obama plans to redistribute some but not all of the money raised, the rest will go to fund the changes he’s laid out like funding health care and reducing the $53 trillion shortfall America is facing. Hopefully he can drag back more revenue by reducing government spending but the recession, if it continues, is likely to partially scupper both his tax and spending plans.

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119 posted 10-25-2008 09:09 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

ah...and it looks like the porch party has begun. I have been summoned forthwith!

I'll be back though.

ta for now everyone

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Karen, that's true. There does indeed need to be money at the top to have an effective trickle down effect, although democrats scoff at such a theory, even though it has been proven to be true by Reagen.

Another thing people don't think about. First, the economic prognostcators are already warning that unemployment is going to soar. Does it make sense to increase the taxes on the people who provide jobs to others? Does that make sense to you? Due to that, there will be even MORE layoffs and unemployment. Also, for companies that have a product, don't you think that, if their taxes rise, they will pass that increase along to the consumer, those people who Obama claims will not be affected by tax increases? No one speaks of these effects on Obama's plan to redistribute the wealth....
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Hi Denise, Sorry to pop in again, but your post's link to the Rotten Acorn, confirms what others here are posting about ACORN.

Count up the number of Rotten Acorn contract employees who were convicted or plead guilty to voter fraud.  Unless I missed one, it comes out to EIGHT workers in the past five years, as I think I mentioned casually way earlier in this thread, with a link.

Allegations, suspicions, investigations and rumours are not indictments, trials, or convictions.  And no matter how much
ACORN hysteria can be found on the internet, ACORN, THE ORGANIZATION, has NEVER been indicted, let alone tried or convicted of ANYTHING, EVER.  How much simpler can this be?

Mike:  I wouldn't worry about Rush being kicked off the air unless there is a fundamental change in constitutional law -- has to do with that freedom of speech thing.

If you're really worried, though, and think that where there is smoke there has to be fire, maybe someone should help this self- confessed drug addled looney-tune save himself by at least putting out his cigar.

Best, Jimbeaux
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Yes, Grinch, in the last debate Obama addressed the fact that the recession might cause him to restructure some of his plans and goals. If elected, I trust him to do the right thing and the best he can with what little Bush will leave him to work with. I don't have the same feeling about McCain.

Balladeer, the Post retracted the story. If you've been reading on some of the right wing sites, no doubt you've seen what the real intent of that fake story was, to trash Michelle by calling her "the Queen" and things so vile I won't repeat them.

The pitbull reference started with Palin herself. If she doesn't have a problem with it, neither do I.
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Mike:  I wouldn't worry about Rush being kicked off the air unless there is a fundamental change in constitutional law -- has to do with that freedom of speech thing.

Think I'll cut and paste this one on to wordpad so I can remind you of it in the future.

If you're really worried, though, and think that where there is smoke there has to be fire, maybe someone should help this self- confessed drug addled looney-tune save himself by at least putting out his cigar.

I'm going to take a wild guess that he may not be one of your favorite people, Jim. Just a hunch....
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Waves to Jim. Nice to see you back.    

I think your facts about ACORN are correct, Jim. So what's all the fuss about? Maybe it's just a distraction to draw attention from the fact that the GOP's attempting to purge valid Dem voters from the registration lists? Ohio, Colorado and PA seem to be the areas they're focused on. You read about that?

PS - I lost what little, and I mean very little respect I had for Limbaugh when he mocked a courageous man battling Parkinson's disease. Answered the question for me, how low can he go. Despicable!

 
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