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All this talk about Ayers and who has been affiliated with him is rather pointless, and it's clear a strong majority of Americans share this view, given how the McCain campaign's attack ads mentioning Ayers have failed to reverse his deficit in either the state or national polls.

I don't care who he has spent time with in his post-Weather Underground career, whether it is Democrats, Republicans or apolitical citizens, nor do I care about Reverend Wright, the Alaska Independence Party or old scabs like the Keating Five. What I'm interested in is hearing who will speak about the issues forthrightly, particularly the economy and the war in Iraq.

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"What I'm interested in is hearing who will speak about the issues forthrightly, particularly the economy and the war in Iraq."

Thank you,Noah~~~
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The link mentioned is nothing less than I would expect from a site named "Republicans for Obama". It is foolish and makes little sense..

After his stupid, youthful days with the Weather Underground organization,

Stupid and youthful is tying a tin can on the dog's tail or talking your buddy into licking the frozen mailbox. It is not this....

In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to riot police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot confrontation between labor supporters and the police. The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway

In June 1974, the Weather Underground released a 151-page volume titled Prairie Fire, which stated: "We are a guerrilla organization [...] We are communist women and men underground in the United States [...]" The Weatherman leadership, including Bill Ayers, pushed for a radical reformulation of sexual relations under the slogan "Smash Monogamy".

Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and The Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Because of a water leak caused by the Pentagon bombing, aerial bombardments during the Vietnam War had to be halted for several days. Ayers writes:
    Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy - weighing close to two pounds - it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

Connecting these actions as the work of someone being "stupid and youthful" is not only ludicrous could be matched only by an article referring to "Hitler's childish fixations with Jewish extermination."

The article also failed to note that Mr. Ayers is quite the comedian, as noted by the New York Times..

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Does Hillary feel there is a need for concern? Let's see...

“I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position. And, if I’m not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York and, I would hope, to every American, because they were published on 9/11, and he said that he was just sorry they hadn’t done more.” http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/440/


The linked article states that "People make mistakes.." as if some for of justification for Ayer's actions. "Honey, I ran over the cat in the driveway" is a mistake. Putting salt instead of sugar in the coffee is a mistake. Blowing up the Pentagon is not.....

The article goes on the claim that, just because a Republican who served in the Nixon white house and a republican phianthropist who had donated to republican presidential campaigns gave money to the CAC, somehow that makes all claims against Ayers invalid.

I'd like to think that reupblicans are a little more intelligent than to write such drivel as this article personifies, but, apparently, the ones for Obama aren't.


Noah, I would not expect any of these things to matter to you. It is interesting how much Haliburton mattered to you, though, but then I guess that's a horse of a different color, right?


BTW, if you misspelled "palling" by using it as as play in words referring to Sarah Palin, I admire your ingenuity...seriously


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With all due respect, Michael, I don't believe Ayers and Halliburton is a leveled comparison.

With the latter, we're continuing to talk about a corporation that, besides profiteering from this war, doesn't adequately arm its truck drivers who frequently are at risk of IED attacks, serve contaminated water to our troops straight from the Euphrates River, overcharging our troops and service workers for meals, overcharging our troops and service workers for gasoline, brushing off as many as 300,000 asbestos claims and, perhaps on top of all of that, covering up a recent gang rape of a contractor who worked for a former subsidiary of Halliburton.

I'm well-aware of Ayer's notorious past and his connections to the bombings of the New York City Police Headquarters, the United States Capitol building and the Pentagon during the early seventies, among others, all of which are acts to be condemned. However, Obama himself never participated in the Weather Underground so I don't see how Ayers has anything to do politically-speaking with anyone.

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It speaks to his judgment and character, Noah, possibly even his loyalty to our country. He should never have had anything to do with someone who so obviously was an anarchist against this country. That it happened 40 years ago is not the issue. That it happened at all, and that he still to this day has not expressed regret, is. Obama, regardless of those facts, chose to associate with him, and work with and for him in disbursing funds for radicalized educational programs in Chicago schools, educational programs straight from the mind of Ayers, the radical, by the way, should disqualify him from being president of the PTA, let alone president of the USA.

What is it about Obama that caused Ayers to select him for this work? Did he perhaps see a like-minded radical, a fellow revolutionary at heart who could be groomed for bigger and better things due to his persuasive oratory skills, his exotic sounding name and background, his "citizen of the world" persona, which seem to appeal so much to the liberal mind?
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By that logic, Denise, with all due respect, neither George W. Bush, nor McCain's closest opponent in the GOP primary, Mitt Romney, would be qualified to be elected president of the United States either because they failed to exercise keen judgment about the Annenberg family donations, which has bankrolled $50 million to William Ayers.

Obviously, I fault Bush and Romney for many other things, but I don't fault them for that. That kind of thing doesn't concern me.

*

As with the Wright controversy, I believe there's a clear reason why the McCain campaign is very reluctant to go on that line of attack, and that is because it would make his campaign look very hypocritical on the line of judgment in that Palin has been part of a controversy linked to her church, the Wasilla Bible Church, where there is video of her being present throughout the entirety of a recent sermon by  head pastor Larry Kroon, who said terrorist attacks on Israel amount to divine judgment on Jews for refusing to accept Jesus as their "Lord and savior".

Now I know some would suggest "Well, Palin is running for the Vice-Presidency, NOT the Presidency!". All the same, McCain's age and health continue to be concerns among many voters and, they know, should McCain's health worsen in office, Palin would become president. So this issue is no less significant than Obama's affiliation with Wright, and I take it the McCain campaign knows they don't want to be tangled up in a new wave of hypocrisy regarding judgment so they have put the Wright controversy off-limits.

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Just keeping score here:
a list of people that used to be Obama's friends, but is now 'discredited by Obama':

- Rev. Wright, his spiritual advisor
- William Ayres (self-acknowledged terrorist)
- Jesse Jackson (who claimed yesterday that Zionists will lose clout under an Obama administration...ouch...that might hurt his chances for Florida Jewish votes)
- Tony Rezko (on trial for bilking Illinois for millions in kickbacks) and that allowed Obama to purchase a house worth $2.6 million (with a vacant lot next door that can be accessed only through the property where the house sits) for around $1.65 million.
- Rashid Khalidi is the third Chicago citizen to consider in the political profile of candidate Obama.  Now the voluble Edward Saïd Professor of Arab Studies and head of the Middle East Institute at Columbia University, Mr. Khalidi is said to have made Mr. Obama's acquaintance when they were colleagues at the University of Chicago, with Mr. Obama a lecturer at the law school and Mr. Khalidi a professor in Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations.  

In Chicago in 1995, Mr. Khalidi and his wife Mona founded the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), a group associated with confrontational statements of support for Palestinians and antagonism toward Israel.  In 2001 and again in 2002, the Woods Fund of Chicago, with directors Ayers and Obama, made grants of $40,000 and $35,000 to the AAAN. Importantly, the AAAN vice-president Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada has remembered Mr. Obama's speaking in 1999 against "Israeli occupation" at a charity event for a West Bank refugee camp; and Mr. Abunimah, an American citizen, Hyde Park resident and Princeton graduate, has also recalled Mr. and Mrs. Obama at a fundraiser held for the then-Congressional candidate Obama in 2000 at Rashid and Mona Khalidi's home, where Mr. Obama made convincing statements in support of the Palestinian cause.

There is also a report that Mr. Obama attended a farewell dinner for Professor Khalidi on the latter's appointment to Columbia University.

Obama socialized with the Khalidis as well as with Edward Saïd, and at which Mr. Obama left a polite testimonial, as did Mayor Daley and Governor Blagojevich.  
*source of above Khaladi ref:
  http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25166

- Mayor Richard Daly, argueably, the most corrupt mayor in modern history, who Obama has alternately said was not his friend, and is NOW his friend and campaign supporter.

Just WHO is Barrack Obama?  He's only been in the senate for two years, and has already amassed a group of influence that are, to say the least, a bit shady.

Hell, Barrack:  you have enough questionable friends to field a corrupt team that would rival the Oakland Raiders!  Wasn't it you, Barrack, who said quote:
Don't be bamboozled!  
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.


At this point,
if he were caught with a dead girl in his bed it might make a difference, . . .
however in the back of his car would be another matter.


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At this point, It doesn't matter what he did in the past, who he knew, or knows, what he believes or where he goes to church.  
What matters most is his plans for America.
He has shown us what he is and who he is and the majority of the left really don't care as long as a Democrat takes office.
He could go cheat on his wife, slap his kids, punch out his preacher, and stab as many people in the back as turn on him,
It doesn't matter anymore.
He is the chosen one,  
All bow to his omnipontent power,
(and we all will)
As a Veteran, I feel bad for our military leaders that have spent many, many years in service of and for their Country, only to have to conceed to the will of a President that wants them to turn coward and quit.  I believe most of the comanders will do just that.  Leave our Country week and undefended.
I would not serve under a Comander In Chief that would not support me in defense of Freedoms.  I also see us returning to the draft because nobody is going to volunteer for the military anymore.
I fear for the very freedoms we have now.  Enjoy them while you can,  Put away some money if you can, and get ready to pay for the choices that have been made for us.
Because at this point, I don't care how many people vote republican,  It has become very clear to me that the Democrats have ammassed enough control over all the people in power, to make sure Obama wins, at all cost.
I thought is was agains the law in this country to buy an election?  We have now seen it done, right under our noses and a lot of people are ok with it.  To hell with the Constitution, Put a Democrat in Power.
What have you got to lose. (beside your rights, freedoms, money, guns, morals)

I think I will save the time and gas money it will take to go to the poll, it would be a waste of time anyway.

IT'S TOO LATE FOR US,  GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.

The answer is always NO, Until the question is asked.

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And there I was thinking our Labour Party were the worst losers in the world.  

Come on Republicans, show a bit of dignity and decorum in defeat instead of this vitriolic ranting, which just makes the party look like a kid having temper tantrums now its toys have been taken away.

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I'm sorry, But when the Democrats put in to a emergency rescue bill, Millions of dollars for Acorn, and Acorn has admittedly endorsed Obama,  Can you really tell me that you honestly believe every registration card that Acorn workers get from a  Republican gets turned in?   They wear shirts that say Acorn for OBAMA, and the government is paying them.  My tax dollars are paying them.
I AM PAYING TO PUT OBAMA IN OFFICE.  I don't agree with that.  
Do you??  
That's what I thought.

Like I said, Right under our noses, and many people are OK with it.  
Not sniveling, just stating facts.  
Sad but true,   FACTS.
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Can you really tell me that you honestly believe every registration card that Acorn workers get from a Republican gets turned in?


I believe it, granted, due to the demographic of the target groups it’s unlikely there were many Republican supporters among the registration forms they collected but how would they tell one from the other?

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voter_fraud

well, I've tried to point out that this is ACORN thing is taken out of context. I've failed as usual.

So here we go again:

quote:
Consider today’s fund-raising e-mail from Robert M. (Mike) Duncan, chairman of the Republican National Committee. Some snippets:

    Every election, it’s the same old song and dance from the Democrats and their liberal allies when it comes to donor and vote fraud.

    They will soon be trying to pad their totals at ballot boxes across the country with votes from voters that do not exist. From Ohio and Florida to Wisconsin and Nevada, there are reports of fraudulent voter registration forms being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a liberal group that is dedicating its resources to electing the Obama-Biden Democrats.

The e-mail climaxes with this pledge, which one hopes is delivered with a Sarah Palin wink: “We will not stand for the stealing of the election—the tainting of our democracy—by those who wish to subvert the rule of law.”


Indeed, it sounds horrible, doesn't it?

Apparently, some of you are hearing this constantly:

quote:
ACORN has become the 24/7 story on Fox News, too, on account of reports that it has submitted several thousand phony registration forms to local boards of elections. These reports appear to be true. Nevertheless, the “scandal,” as Fox calls it, is itself on its face as phony as Mickey Mouse’s social security number.

During this election cycle, the Times reported today, ACORN has deployed thirteen thousand mostly paid workers, who have registered 1.3 million new voters. One or two per cent of these workers turned in sheaves of forms that they filled out themselves with fake names and bogus addresses, and, even though at least a hundred of these workers have already been fired, the forged forms have been submitted to election boards.


Hmmm, one or two percent of 1.3 million?

quote:
Sounds suspicious—unless you know that groups like ACORN are required by law to submit them, even if they’re obvious fakes. This is to prevent funny business, such as trashing forms that look like they might be Republican (or Democratic, as the case may be).


It's the law, they have to turn in the fakes. Now, why would they observe the law? Because if they don't, they lose that money that you paid them.

quote:
Sounds suspicious—unless you know that ACORN normally sorts through forms, flags those that look fishy, and submits the fishy ones in a separate pile for the convenience of election officials.


That is, they do check.

quote:
Sounds suspicious—until you reflect that the motivation of the misbehaving registration workers is almost always to look like they’ve been doing more work than they really have, and that the victim of the “fraud” is actually the organization they’re working for.


Yes, let's help ACORN! Let's get rid of the fraudulent!

quote:
Sounds suspicious—unless you know that even if one of these fake forms results in a nonexistent person actually being registered, now under the Help America Vote Act of 2002, “any voter who has not previously voted in a federal election” must provide identification in order to actually cast a ballot. This will make it tough for Mickey Mouse, even if registered, to vote, no matter how big, round, or black his ears. Likewise, members of the Duck family (Donald, Daisy, Huey, Dewey, and Louie) who turn up at the polling place will have a hard time getting into the voting booth. (Uncle Scrooge might be able to bribe his way in, but he’s voting Republican anyway.)


So, even if you have a fake name, you still have to show ID when you vote.

Now, remember, this has happened before, it has been screamed about before and the results:

quote:
Sounds suspicious—unless you know that despite all the hysteria, from 2002 to 2005, only twenty people in the entire United States of America were found guilty of voting while ineligible and only five of voting more than once.


But after all of this, who will be hurt? It seems that "Joe" (Sam), the "plumber" might be. They have his name spelled wrong on the registry.

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Consider today’s fund-raising e-mail Spam from Robert M. (Mike) Duncan, chairman of the Republican National Committee ...


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The Ohio issue, Brad, also involves the same day registration/voting. They didn't have to show ID, and since they have already voted, they don't have to show ID at the polls because they won't be showing it there either.
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Look at the news from Ohio today.

"(Columbus) - A federal court ruled tonight that Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner violated federal election laws by not taking adequate steps to validate the identity of newly registered voters.

The ruling from U.S. District Court Judge George C. Smith called the identification breakdown "a serious problem" and ordered Brunner to immediately comply with federal requirements to match voter registration data with the information in the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles and Social Security Administration databases. The court accused Brunner of failing to provide county election administrators with "an effective way to access and review mismatches." She immediately appealed the ruling.

"For some reason, Jennifer Brunner does not want these new registrations checked," said Ohio Republican Party Deputy Chairman Kevin DeWine. "Her refusal to comply with federal law raises serious concerns about her ability to objectively oversee this election. It's especially troubling in light of her connection to ACORN and that group's stunning confession this week of fraudulent registration activity happening right here in Ohio."

Brunner's effort to fight the court order comes just two days after the Democrat activist group ACORN admitted to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections that the group engages in fraudulent voter registration activity."

The Ohio voters registration lists are supposed to be linked and cross-referenced with the Division of Motor Vehicles lists and the Social Security computer lists. They are not. There is no double check. A group of students went to Ohio, registered at voters, voted and then left the state, just to show they could do it. One flew back to England, where he is a student at Oxford.

This could be the most fixed election in history.
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A simple point I am trying to make about the people working for ACORN with shirts that say "ACORN FOR OBAMA"  Do you think that republicans will readily turn in or fill out a card to a person that is commited to the other side?  Do you believe they are focusing on Republican strongholds or the areas that have been identified as the best places to secure the Democratic vote.  
If we wanted to insure a fair accounting of the registrations, we should follow the demands of the Democrats in the "Fair Broadcasting" rules they want imposed, and only allow 1 democratic for each 1 republican registration.  (dreaming)  
I know, I know, thats not fair?
Ya, whatever.
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     Are there no Republican get out the vote organizations?

     Do they focus their efforts in inner cities or places with large concentrations of democratic voters, or do they go to places where there are more concentrated groups of republicans like, say, Utah?

     Should they be forced to turn in a new democratic voter for each new republican voter?

     I'm a democrat, and I wouldn't expect this to be the case.  

     Brad has a very sensible posting about Acorn about two or three postings up from your last one, WTBakelar, that might be worth reading, if only to give you more to disagree with.  I found it interesting and informative, and I think if you've got stuff to say about Acorn, it might be useful to take some of this information into acount.  

     At the very least, you'll need to show that it's wrong before you can conscientiously repeat some of the same statements you've made before.  Brad contradicts some of those flatly, and they need to be reconciled.  He has some sources, and I don't see you supplying any.  Perhaps this is simply my oversight.

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Brad contradicts some of those flatly, and they need to be reconciled.  He has some sources, and I don't see you supplying any.  Perhaps this is simply my oversight.

Yes, it may be your oversight, Bob. Brad's contradictions do not come from sources. He claims ACORN must do their job correctly because it's the law. That's like saying everyone drives 55 mph because that's the law. "If they don't observe, they lose money".....wrong. They haven't lost money yet, even with fraud convictions and 14 investigations pending. They have an unending source of income coming from property taxes and, if that were to dry up, they have people like Obama donating 800,000.00 to help them out. Brad claims they do check....so why didn;t they recognize the offensive starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboysin their records or Mickey Mouse in their Orlando files. He's THERE!
Brad claims you still have to show id to vote. sure,,,,big deal. Look at what just happened in Ohio. They don't have their voter registering records matched in with any other agencies, like DMV, for a comparison check. So this ID they have to show is meaningless. Your local college student will be able to supply with as many as you like.

Look, Bob, I know that we debate here over our own views and we try our best to champion our own causes. That's to be expected. But you are not going to help you overall cause by standing up for, or even excusing, ACORN. They are a disreputable and even criminal organization whose main goal is to pad the voter lists with their own choices. This is no secret, Bob. My advice on the ACORN situation is to cut your losses, forget about this defending the indefensible, and pick better battlefields more worthy of your excellent presentations.

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Anyone trying to stand up for them or present them for anything but what they are simply makes that person look foolish.


How can telling the truth ever be foolish?

ACORN have to hand EVERY registration form, dubious or otherwise, to the election officials - that’s the law.

It’s the job of the election officials to reject dubious forms and add the details of all valid forms to the electoral register - that’s the law.

Can you please explain, given the above facts, why you believe ACORN are guilty of voter fraud?

quote:
They are a disreputable and even criminal organization whose main goal is to pad the voter lists with their own choices. This is no secret


No, it’s an unsubstantiated opinion

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21 posted 10-19-2008 10:24 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Grinch, it has been stated and verified how Acorn works, how they used strongarm tactics and extortion to force banks to give loans to the unable to pay crowd. Additionally, for them to be investigated for voter fraud in almost 1/3 of the states in the country, I'd say that has a little more substance that them being picked on. Perhaps when these felonious voter charges are prosecuted, you will get the answers you seek. Denise mentioned to you how, in Ohio for example, without checking, any number of fraudulent voter registrations can get into the system. Whose fault is that - the organization trying to sneak in fraudulent forms or the government supposed to catch them? You tell me. I know a golfer who has a magical shoe that can move balls in the rough faster than Pelosi can think of an excuse for doing nothing. What is his philosophy? "It ain't cheating if you don't get caught." I think acorn counts on the same logic.

You have a computer and you know where Google is. You can find all the info you need right there. Pay tribute to one of the greatest additions to world literature your country has produced and follow in his footsteps. After all, it's elementary, my dear Grinch
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22 posted 10-19-2008 11:56 AM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


Mike,

I’m not very good with technology, could you help me out and explain in your own words exactly how ACORN have perpetrated voter fraud? Could you also explain ACORN’s involvements in the same day registration/voting case you mentioned in Ohio?

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Technology is a wonderful thing, Grinch. Perhaps it's time for you to explore it Things can be so much more rewarding when you do them yourself, like the old "give a man a fish" theory.

If I had the time to write entries equalling chapters in War and Peace like my friend Bob, I would but it's not necessary. If you have a sincere desire to have your questions answered, cyberspace is calling.
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I think I’ll give it a miss Mike, to tell you the truth, given the evidence I’ve already seen, I’m convinced ACORN hasn’t been involved in voter fraud. Learning how this interweb thing works just to confirm that seems like a waste of time.

 
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