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UPDATE: Indeed, he just snatched the microphone out the hands of a woman who began her question with, "I'm scared of Barack Obama... he's an Arab terrorist..."

"No, no ma'am," he interrupted. "He's a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements."


Is some of that innate integrity finally starting to seep through that Rovian slime machine?
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It was a breath of fresh air seeing McCain come out today and tone the rhetoric down, because for the last several days something very ugly was filling the atmosphere at those rallies that goes well beyond disagreements, political opposition and resentment to the rivaling candidate...........there was something bordering on hatred at those rallies, which if not tempered soon could have led to acts of violence within those crowds, with random visitors screaming "Bomb Obama", "Terrorist!", "Kill Him!", "Treason!", "One Man Terror Cell!", etc...........and having McCain demonstrate real leadership and try to calm the rhetoric down while make his charges on Obama is something to be commended.

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Since nobody else is gonna say it, I guess the burnt out stoner chick will (with warmest hugs and regards to Noah's return)

"No ma'am. He's not an Arab. He's a decent family man."

I hardly call that NOBLE.

I'm embarrassed and apologize to my Arab-American friends (especially the one who offered me a JOB)

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"Of course, this is kind of the best of both world: Crazy base-world gets to bring up Ayers and whatever else, really, and he gets to say, "Be respectful." But I think he means it."

He always has . . .
Why pretend a sudden change?

"No ma'am. He's not an Arab. He's a decent family man."

Where does this quote come from, and regardless
do you really think he was taking shots at Arabs?

It's amazing in contrast to all the free passes
Barack Obama gets.


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It came from the horse's mouth, John.

I'd tell you what channel I was watching, but it doesn't seem to matter.

It was on all of 'em...

exit burnt out stoner chick---->

I'm done now.   (The footage I saw had him say, "He's not an Arab" after removing the microphone from the hands of a woman--red shirt--grayish hair...I only saw her from the back, but I distinctly saw McCain shake his head and correct her--"He's not an Arab." )

Spin away, John.

This entire episode made me very sad, not happy.
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Karen,

I think McCain was opposing the idea that Obama's political loyalties lie elsewhere (which was obviously the story this woman was believing) rather than opposing a mere ethnic slur.  The word "Arab" was in her mouth, not McCain's, though you might say it was implied.  His immediate concern was to politically and personally defend Obama, not to make sure the woman's terminology was politically correct.  It was on the spot, and off the cuff.  Some may associate all Arabic people with terrorism and conniving, but I assure you McCain doesn't.

I think it was noble in intent.

Stephen

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People are going to read it the way that suits them, Stephen.

Brad, this is a new side of you, throwing out such strong insults. Rovian slime machine Care to elaborate...or at least justify/
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Stephan, I agree it was the right thing to do, just kinda late. (and hey--I nearly had sympathy for McCain as my apologies usually end up with both feet in my stoner chick mouth...but dayum--that response totally sucked toes.) I tried to like McCain. The way I used to...but after today?

It's worse than leaving DNA on a groupie's dress.

and Mike?

I honestly don't know what the Rovian stuff means either.

All I know is today, even after an abysmal week? Made me cry, and oh boy, I've been crying a lot, but I am so saddened by all of this...and ashamed I've been this quiet all along.

This country, founded by immigrants as a sanctuary from oppression--reduced to this?

I am...gobsmacked.
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"Rovian slime machine"

Ooooo, I always knew Brad had a nice side to him.  
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Happy Saturday Morning!  Anyway!

Senator McCain has always been a decent man.  Yeah, he's made a few mistakes along the line, if one equates "decency" with perfection, but then, who hasn't?

Suggesting to some extremists in his audience that they lighten up was an act of decency.  Good for him!

Best, Jimbeaux
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Awwwwwwwwwwww, thanks Karen! (piptalk friendship group hug)

My earlier commending of McCain was actually regarding the other question from the audience where someone had said Obama was a terrorist and was worried the nation wouldn't be safe for raising his child in under an Obama administration, not the Arab one. And I absolutely agree that was disappointing and he should have, after defending Obama, said something defending the Arab-Muslim community! =(

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Wisconsin Advertising Project: September 28-October 4 Campaign Spending

By the way, the University of Wisconsin Advertising Project is confirming that, while negative attack ads made up 34% of Obama's advertising during the week of September 28-October 4, virtually 100% of the McCain campaign’s advertisements during that same week were negative.

To be fair, the Project also acknowledges:

"Comparing this presidential election to 2004, we see that both the McCain and Obama campaigns have aired more negative advertisements than did their counterparts. In all of 2004, 64 percent of the Bush campaign’s ads were negative, while to date, 73 percent of McCain’s ads have been negative. Similarly, 34 percent of all Kerry ads were negative while 61 percent of Obama’s have been." (3)

In a nutshell, negative attack ads, overall, have made up a majority of both candidates' advertising overall to date. Obama clearly isn't the arbiter of attack-free politics he has claimed to be repeatedly this campaign season, and I've thought all along that wasn't at all true.

Nonetheless, in the final stretch McCain has chosen to go unabashedly negative and duck the issues like the economy in the most part, while Obama's campaign has been releasing mostly ads that don't even reference his opponent McCain, particularly $1.4 million of his $2.4 million weekly ad buy on an ad that criticizes the status quo but never mentions McCain, and, regardless of your opinion on Obama's economic proposals, has spent most of his speeches touching on the issue!

Interesting that GOP candidates, including Norm Coleman for the US Senate in Minnesota, are distancing themselves from McCain and saying they will run "100 percent positive" campaigns from here on out! I commend them should they follow through on their vows. But it just comes to show that many, even some in his own party, believe the negativity has sunk to levels of desperation!

Sincerely,
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Does anyone believe it’s a good idea for McCain\Palin to continue their present strategy of attacking their opponent instead of promoting their policies?

Also, do you believe they’ll change tack?

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Grinch, I don't know if it's helping them or not but I believe it's the only option open to them and they should have done it a long time ago. Doing it now makes it look like more of a desperate act that one of waking up the voters.

They need to do it because they have no choice. Obama has a million negatives going against him, led by his absolute lack of expereience and his friends but the liberal press won;t touch them.

I can assure you that, if Obama were Republican, he would have been so bar-b-qued by this time, he could feed a family of four for a month!

Of course, Obama has less negative ads. Why? There's almost nothing they can use to attack McCain. He voted for this!  ok. He didn't vote for that! That's nice but they have little to say about his character or his service and dedication to the country. They know that and that's why they came up with the plan to take advantage of Bush's unpopularity and link the two of them together. A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush! Do  you want another four years of Bush politics? Bush this, Bush that....on and on and on. That's all they've got.

That alone could tell you something about the character of the man.....
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The tactic isn’t working Deer, nobody believes it apart from the wing nuts screaming “terrorist” at the republican rallies and all that’s doing is tarring the image of republicans in general.

Even McCain, it seems, doesn‘t really believe there‘s any truth in the claims he‘s promoting:

"He's a person that you don't have to be scared of as President of the United States."

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quote:
The general uncertainty as to what is really happening makes it easier to cling to lunatic beliefs. Since nothing is ever quite proved or disproved, the most unmistakable fact can be impudently denied. Moreover, although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge, the nationalist is often somewhat uninterested in what happens in the real world. What he wants is to feel that his own unit is getting the better of some other unit, and he can more easily do this by scoring off an adversary than by examining the facts to see whether they support him. All nationalist controversy is at the debating-society level. It is always entirely inconclusive, since each contestant invariably believes himself to have won the victory. Some nationalists are not far from schizophrenia, living quite happily amid dreams of power and conquest which have no connection with the physical world.


--George Orwell

Perhaps, we all need to be reminded of this from time to time.
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Obama's associations in historical fact
are of enough concern,( there's no
need to list them here).  And with so little
else to go on about someone who is seeking
the highest office, ( Krauthammer called
him probably the least qualified canidate
in living memory), they need to be looked
at.

Have you noticed how the war
disappeared as an Obama talking point?

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Huan,

Forget Ayers, forget Keating they’re non-issues, McCain and Obama are Presidential candidates, think about it,  if there was any dirt that would stick to either of them don't you think it would have been dug up and used long ago.

Investigators, both republican and democrat will have been over these issues with a fine tooth comb, they haven’t found any damming evidence otherwise they‘d be shouting it from the rooftops. McCain himself, by his own admission, doesn’t see a problem that would discount Obama from holding the highest office. Obama has said exactly the same about McCain. So why continue to focus on pointless attempted character assassinations instead of the real issues like the economy, health care or, as you’ve suggested, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.?

One of these guys is going to be the next President of the US and personally I’d like to hear a little more about what he plans to do when he gets there and a little less twaddle and pointless rumour mongering about his opponent.


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elegant and eloquent

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Sometimes I wonder, why on earth would Obama run now, when he could run 4 or 8 years later and have the voting record, have the experience, and have the respect of his fellow democrats. All of his "Faults" would have been completly eliminated.  Why on earth would he run now.

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“Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God d.mn America." “

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788


I can not ignore that,
not twenty years of relationship,
especially since without other history
I have only words to go by.

And as the good Reverend,
who had known him for those
twenty years remarked,  on
national television,
Barrack  Obama is a politician,
he’ll say what he has to say.


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Forget Ayers, forget Keating they’re non-issues

You mean like Democrats forgot Haliburton, grinch?

Yes, of course they are non-issues to Democrats....no surprise there. Maybe none of it WILL make a difference. I'm not smart enough to know how all Americans think. It will certainly make no difference to die-hard Democrats, who have made it an art form to ignore Obama's complete lack of experience, his ties to Acorn, the fact that he smoked grass in college (but listen! George Bush PARTIED in college! Now THAT'S relevant) and any other thing that could be considered derrogatory toward the Messiah.

There may, however, be some fence-sitters who could pay a little attention to Obama's claims that, sitting in church for over 20 years with a man he claimed was his spiritual mentor, he still didn't know the man was a racist who despises America. Maybe they'll pay attention to how Obama got his properties at a bargain basement price from Tony Resco, later convicted on felony charges but, of course, Obama had no idea the man had those tendencies. They may pay a little attention to the ties with a man who bombed the Pentagon, the man in whose living room launched Obama's career and who Obama claims actually gave him his first job, even though Obama claims he had no idea of Ayer's past or his continuing terroristic desires.

Perhaps they will pay attention to the fact that either Obama is a completely inept judge of character or that he is a complete liar. That could make a difference, who knows?

You want to hear about Iraq, you say? You aren't hearing it from Obama, who has stopped discussing it for weeks. You want to hear how he's going to fix health care and the economy, without having any experience in either? Me, too. Have you heard anything? He's given a lot of speeches about them but have you heard anything? You want to hear how he's going to make things better, even though he was a strong supporter of Fannie and Freddy, who was giving him record political contributions? You want to hear how he is not going to raise taxes on the middle class, even though he has voted for many tax increases in congress? Over 40% of the American people do not pay income tax. Obama makes it a point to say these people are going to get a nice rebate from the government....a rebate for taxes they never paid. In Capone's day that was called bribery.

What's just as important as hearing what someone says they are going to do as President, is having enough confidence in them and their character to believe them. That's where the character and honesty factors come in. That's where Wright, Resco, Ayers and Acorn come in. To the ostriches, it won't matter. To others, it may.
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quote:
Why on earth would he run now.

Er, because he will win?
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Mike,

If you were talking to a Democrat Mike, you’d likely get an equal or longer list of McCain and Palin’s supposed indiscretions. At which point you’d probably dismiss them as pointless, saying that you really want to talk about the real issues before burying your head firmly in the sand.

Can you see the irony?

Fortunately I’m not a Democrat so I’m going to talk about ostriches.

There’s no nice way to say this Mike so I’m going to jump in with both feet. Your country is bankrupt. If it were a business it would have been closed down years ago, that’s not an inconvenient truth, it’s an undeniable fact. It’s common knowledge almost everywhere except, it seems, in the USA where it’s hardly discussed at all as far as I can see, largely, I presume, due to the ostrich effect.

In amongst this fiscal debacle there’s a Presidential election going on to select a leader that will either preside over the beginning of a resurrection or the beginning of the end of the American way of life. Don’t you think it would be a good idea to hear how they plan to avoid the disaster facing your country, or are you happy to sit there with your head in the sand like all the other ostriches?

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I would LOVE to hear how they are going to do it, grinch, and I would also love to be able to believe what they are saying. Put a politician in front of an audience and you can rest assured they will say whatever that audience wants to hear. I'd like to see some sign that what they are saying is valid.

You can list as many negatives against McCain as you like and that's fine. Everything depends on which buttons are pushed in people that make them decide. We've read where his infidelity to his ex-wife is very important to some. Ok, that's a valid point, even though it would also throw Clinton, Kennedy and who knows how many others into the cage of "not being fit to be a good president". Can I feel assured that McCain would be a great president? Nope, I can't. All I can do is base my decisions on history and what I think is best for the country, even if it is the "best of the worst".

One thing Obama has said that I believe wholeheartedly is that he will raise taxes. In an economic situation like ours, that's the WORST thing he can do, and history bears me out. Take a look at the seventies..

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s. There was also a growing federal budget deficit which increased to 66 billion dollars.

Reagan brought us out of that quagmire and he didn't do it by raising taxes...he did it by lowering them. You don't improve a citizen's lot during bad financial times by taking more away from them. Every time capital gains taxes have been raised, less money has gone into the national treasury. That's factual. Obama wants to raise the capital gains taxes. citing that the government needs more money. Figure that one out, sir.

He claims the middle class will not be affected and I believe that to be, at best, a misconception and, at most, an outright lie. Even if it were true, what happens when the government goes after "the big boys". you now, those fellows that provide jobs to tens of thousands of Americans? Yep, that's right....layoffs. Won't that affect the middle class? If the companies being hit with the proposed new tax burdens sell a product, yep that's right..the cost of the product will go up. Will THAT affect the middle-class housewife standing in line at the supermarket? I happen to believe it will.
Or perhaps to avoid this from happening, Obama could circumvent it by freezing all prices, freezing all salaries, and not permitting layoffs. Someone could write a book about that type of government....actually, some already have.

The seconf reason I won't vote for Obama is that the Democrat party bears the lion's share of our current situation, although with help from the republicans, too. From the "chicken in every pot" mentality of Clinton in the last 90's, whose pressure on the banks made "No job? No credit? No problem!" a national anthem, to their refusal to investigate Fanny and Freddy back when something could have been done,  their actions and inactions have been extremely detrimental to the country's economy. And now these dame people are screaming,  "Elect us and we will fix this problem! (which we were instrumental in creating)".

You want to talk ostriches, grinch? Ostriches are people being able to see videos of Maxine Waters, Barney Franks and other Democrats claiming in 2004-5 that fannie and Freddie were in excellent shape (which they were not) and blaming anyone who said otherwise to be saber-rattling for political purposes only....and disregarding it. Ostriches are people seeing videos of John McCain at the same time, warning that the two entities were in dire straits and that action had to be taken to avoid economical disaster (which has occured)...and disregarding it. Those are your ostriches, grinch. It's almost a comedy routine that the ones who refused to do anything now blame the ones who insisted something be done for the current situation.

We're not bankrupt, grinch. We are in bad times, for sure, and we have been there before and have always come out of it as we will come out of this one. How? The resiliance of the American people. It's time for the government to get out of their way, not take more money away from them.

Do I think Obama would be a horrible president? Beats me..but I do think the Democrats in the Oval office would be bad for the country. A few years ago, the Democrats claimed "Put us in charge of congress and we will make a difference!" They did...a difference for the worse, with the lowest approval rating any congress has ever seen. Now they scream "Put us in the White House and we will make a difference!", and I believe them. It's the difference they would make that scares me. Thinking of a country being run by the likes of Pelosi, Boxer, Franks, Kerry and Hillary scares the bejesus out of me.

Don't count out the American people just yet, sir grinch. We all have a little phoenix in us, even when the ashes are deep

Thus endeth my Sunday morning rant and the golf course awaits, although now, due to inflation, instead of screaming FORE! we yell FIVE!
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Mike,

Well that’s a start Mike, but it’s still too negative, even if I accept your assertions that Obama’s policies won’t work it doesn’t tell me whether McCain’s policies are any better or even worse. If McCain’s financial policy is to sell lemonade and buy swampland Obama still looks the best bet.

See you still aren’t promoting your candidate or his policies Mike, you’re simply trying to discredit the policy of the other side, tell me what McCain‘s plans are.

quote:
We're not bankrupt, grinch.


You don’t like the word bankrupt? How about insolvent? Unable to meet your financial commitments and debts? Flat broke?

Your country owes, in commitments, $53 trillion (53,000,000,000,000)
That figure is growing at a rate of around $2-$3 trillion a year
Your spending is greater than your income

What would you call that?
 
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