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25 posted 10-12-2008 03:58 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

No, grinch, I'm not promoting my candidate and I'm not sure what his answers are, although I would think it would go beyond selling lemonade. He was, after all, as I mentioned, warning of the Freddie/Fannie impending crisis years before it reared it's ugly head. I do believe, however, that McCain has a creditable congressional record with a mountain of experience behind it. Obama's only congressional noteworthy accomplishment is being named most liberal senator in congress. He has initiated no bills of any consequence and has done basically nothing during his term other than run for president. He has no military experience, no foreign relations experience, and no economical experience. Had he not given a good speech at the 2004 DNC, he would never have even been noticed, much less be considered a viable candidate for the presidency....and, as McCain is finally pointing out, Obama's only major business experience is dealing with a felon and a terrorist. Even if it boiled down to nothing more than choosing the devil you know over the devil you don't know, I'll go with the one I know.

The word "bankruptcy" doesn't stir any feeling in me one way or another. I do believe, however, that national bankruptcy does not exist unless it is spiritual bankruptcy....and I can assure you it is not. The U.S. has been down and pronounced dead before and yet here we still are and we're not going anywhere. Americans will do whatever it takes to recover. That's what we do. We recovered from the Depression, we recovered from Jimmy Carter and we will recover from this and the global economy will recover with us.

That's another reason why I prefer McCain, whose  message is hope and belief in the American people. He doesn't have a minister who preaches "God (blank) America", nor does he have past political supporters and business associates who are sorry they didn't do enough damage when they bombed the Pentagon.

Hopefully many Americans will feel the same way at crunch time.
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Grinch -- The American way?  

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quote:
No, grinch, I'm not promoting my candidate and I'm not sure what his answers are.


I believe he’s planning to sell lemonade, ban golf, sell Florida off to the Mexican government and move to Alaska to raise pit-bulls - but that could just be a rumour.



Hello Jim

Brace yourself for tax increases, whoever wins they're inevitable - the only way.

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Not a chance, Grinch. Mexico uses Florida as a tax write-off.
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Grinch, were not bankrupt, we are in war...

Grinch, we are not Germany post WW1.  It is common for there to be economic recessions when banks, which are the key figures in capitalism to be the cause of these issues.  

It is also common for the economy to be bad, really, bad during elections.

I think in hard times, we all need to down size, including the government.  One may say, oh how do you do that. I say that we start six sigma or lean engineering into our government. Oh wait politicians will have to be accountable for their actions.

It is easy to point fingers at the really old guy and say "man your old"

But isn't it just as easy to point fingures and say you don't have the expirience for the job.

I don't really care who has bracelets...Who is good looking, who can fill a football field, who is a celebrity, who had a history of cheating, who is a good Christian.

I care about track record and down sizing the government... oops voting to the right this year... again
  

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And this economic crisis on Wall Street may have more than a little to do with economic terrorism, as well as failed political policies and panic selling. A good deal of the sell-offs have been the foreign hedge funds.
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I can't disagree with you.  What you say is absolutely true.

However I am not an isolationist.  I am not even a true capitalist.  Definitely not a socialist.  So I am sitting at the computer and glad that figuring out the economy is not my job.  I think before the government messes with the beast that is capitalism, it should instead worry about the welfare of its poeple.

Politicians like to tell everyone that the world is or is not a beautiful world.  They do it to provoke emotion, not to better your life.  They give us the news.  [Why I read the BBC] They tell you how to live your lives and buy things you cannot afford.

Just like everyone in all governments, we have the same disposition to temptation and wrong.

Those corrupt politicians, they think they are your saviors.   They think they are doing good.  They just keep telling themselves that.

It is awfully tempting when you have all that money to not care about the poeple you are hurting.  

You see it is human nature... That is why all power must be balanced.  You can't give to much power away.  It is just too tempting.  How many poeple do things cause they can?

Oh brother I am ranting again... and on a tangent


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Grinch, were not bankrupt


According to your top government accountant you are, he’s been saying it for the last ten years to anyone willing to take the time to listen and a whole bunch of people like Bush who simply wouldn‘t.

Fortunately McCain has listened, so too has Obama, I know that because both have laid out their policies in separate televised  interviews explaining exactly how they plan to rectify the issue. Granted it wasn’t as funny as the pig in lipstick crack, or as juicy or as distracting as possible links to corrupt and corrupting influences but it was fairly informative regarding who had the best handle on the situation.

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he’s been saying it for the last ten years to anyone willing to take the time to listen

You mean to say he told Clinton and even he wouldn't listen for two years???? Oh, wait. You didn't mention Clinton, only Bush. Why am I not surprised? You did say that, as a non-American, you have no party leanings...but it seems they are showing.

If you want to continue with the insistence that we are bankrupt, please be my guest. I do wonder, though, why you have waited till now to inform us and not at any time in the past ten years that the chief accountant has been saying it. For the first 6 years of the Bush administration, records were set for earnings, low unemployment numbers and a large number of economic indicators. We were bankrupt at the time? In 1998-1999 when Democrats were applauding the state of the country and honoring Bill Clinton as the savior who erased the deficit, you mean that, according to this chief accountant, we were actually bankrupt at the time?

Apparently they don;t make bankruptcies like they used to. If we have actually been bankrupt all that time, then Bush has done one heck of a job in keeping this bankrupt country running.

Kep reading headlines or whatever reports or propoganda that you like. I'll keep counting on the resiliance of the American people. Oil was over $150 a barrel a very short time ago. Now it's under $80. Why? Americans stopped driving. Americans started demanding of our leaders that usage of our own resources was vital. All of a sudden oil became inexpensive again.

we will always  do whatever it takes to keep the country strong, even if we have to go back to planting victory gardens (if you don;t know what they are, Google can tell you.)

I have little doubt that there is a long list of countries who wish they were as bankrupt as we are.
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You didn't mention Clinton, only Bush.


Sorry for the confusion Deer, I was trying to point out that both present candidates are aware of the problem whereas the incumbent (who just happens to be Bush) , based on his policies while in office, obviously isn’t.

Clinton? He’s as much to blame as Bush and all the other presidents for years - way past Clinton.

Why haven’t I been telling you?

To tell you the truth I thought you knew about this particular elephant, I know how much my country owes and what policies the government is planning - I simply presumed you would too. I think the more pertinent question to ask though is why your government and politicians haven’t told you.

Bankruptcy when it comes to countries and governments is a bit of a misnomer I admit. When a person or Company gets to the point where they can’t afford to carry on they give up and either file for voluntary bankruptcy, or are declared bankrupt by their creditors. Countries due to their ability to literally print money tend to be able to maintain a state of bankruptcy which can last for years before the inevitable big bang.

Can the government and the people reverse the situation - you bet they can, especially the American people, I’m 100% confident in their ability to do so, but first they have to realise the state the economy is in and lay down plans now to do something about it.

This guy could help if the people listen to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgrxpp97OQ

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7461407498377956300
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE&feature=related
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um0guhNGPPM&feature=related
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35 posted 10-13-2008 04:17 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Will everyone please read up
on mark to market which went into
effect only last year before writing
off the United States?


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Huan,


The current impending recession has a lot to do with mark to market accountancy, it’s responsible for the apparent paradox that leaves the man in the street shaking his head in disbelief when a company is viable on Monday and going to the wall on Tuesday. The government has realised this, and the recent bailout bill allows for fair trade accountancy instead of mark to market accountancy to correct this. Unfortunately the current recession and the debt Mr. Walker is talking about aren’t directly related. The problem Mr. Walker is talking about was there long before the recession and will be there long after it’s over, mark to market accountancy is irrelevant.

Don’t believe me?

What’s the value of 53 trillion dollars worth of debt using mark to market accountancy rules and how much is it worth using the alternative fair trade accountancy method?

I’ll give you a clue, the answer in both cases starts with a minus sign, has twelve zeros and contains a 3 and a 5 but not necessarily in that order.

[This message has been edited by Grinch (10-13-2008 06:42 PM).]

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If you're looking for a bit of truth about Obama's accomplishments, check this out:
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/obamas-senate-accomplishments/
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Today, after a speech, Obama spoke to some of the people in the audience and, as he was speaking to a truck driver worried about having his taxes increased, Obama told him that many people were out of work and there needed to be a "redistribution of wealth". I don't know about you but that phrase raises the hairs on my arm.

Steve Forbes later stated that Obama's problem was that he considered the nation's wealth to be a fixed amount instead of being expandable, where his answer is taking from one to give to another instead of finding ways to expand wealth for more to benefit from.
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quote:
I don't know about you but that phrase raises the hairs on my arm.


Wax is my advice

Maybe Obama's doing it in reverse: President first, then Hollywood later; a starring role in Robin Hood would be cool.
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hehe...could be, moonbeam


Btw, for anyone who hasn't read Atlas Shrugged, this would be a great time
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Sorry Mike, call me a stupid if you like, but I don’t see how Mr. Forbes gets from Obama’s statement that there should be a “redistribution of wealth” to the conclusion that Obama considers “wealth” to be a fixed amount.

I always thought that wealth, like profit, was, by definition, an undetermined figure. If so Obama was suggesting that whatever wealth was available should be distributed differently.

If I suggested a profit sharing scheme would I be automatically guilty of believing that the profit to be shared was a fixed amount?

You seem to understand the logic - is there any chance you could you explain it?

 
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