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http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-claims-he-never-worked-for-acorn


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http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308358130652174


There's another article that notes
that Indianapolis now has 105% of its
adult population registered to vote.

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  It is fascinating, is it not, that the Democratic party is totally silent on the voter fraud?  This is the party that screamed ever so loudly that BOTH elections were 'stolen' due to defective voting machinery.  This is the party that cried 'fairness' in elections is necessary for the public to believe in the voting system.  Yet, there are now 8 states, count  'em, where ACORN voter fraud is being pursued for criminal charges, and I suspect that's just the tip of the iceberg.   While I am neither a Republican or Democrat, I feel that this cooercion is so incredibly damaging to the country: from a standpoint of trust in the system, and from a standpoint of moral equivalency.  Here we are, just mere days from the election, and yet these huge numbers of illegal votes will be cast simply because there isn't enough window-time to investigate ALL the claims and fix the potential fraud.   This whole thing, is an outrage and a travesity on so many levels.  

Shame on the politicians who turned their head away from the problem, yet pandered to this group in order to garner re-election votes.  

Shame on the people who allowed themselves to be led by coercion.  

And shame on the Democratic party, and Obama,  for being so two-faced on allowing this ACORN group for 20+ years to propogate ACORN's message of fear simply because it benefited their party.  
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http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjNlNTc4ZjdmNWMwMWJlYTY1MDE2ZjFjMTQwMzIwYTU=

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Power and Privilege

There is a ship that sails - sometimes
with wind, other times by its own momentum.
When it is somewhere where it shouldn't be
the ship does not bribe the anchor
to hold the ship's position.

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Threadbear, it's not fascinating...it's standard operating procedure, both for the Democrats, their believers, and the press.

As you point out, they were certainly willing to scream voter fraud in the last two elections, weren't they? And the press was more than willing to champion their outcry, wasn't it? But with Acorn, the Ghengis Khan of voter fraud entities, no one has anything to say...and the American people are too stupid to claim outrage.

In the past two days, two different Acorn offices have been closed by the FBI for falsifying  voter registration records. In one of them, the employees listed the names of the entire starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys! (Tony Romo assured the FBI he did not register with them)

It would be funny if it weren't so sad. The only thing more outrageous than Acorn's actions are the press's inactions concerning exposing it.....but, of course, if they do, then they have to mention Obama's past connections with it and that just won't do.

You waiting for a Democrat to acknowledge it, here or in Congress???? You find it fascinating? I find it sad, par for the course, and proof of the shallowness and one-sidedness of the Democrats.

They would rather scream about hanging chads...


Any Democrat may now feel free to join in and say "Oh, yeah??? Well, what about...blah,blah,blah" and make another attempt to steer the point in another direction.
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PS

can some moderator fix the titling of this thread?  I tried, but it's beyond the 24 hr limit.  It just keeps growing and growing with all those hieroglyphics....

Thanks guys/gals!
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Ah...it's fixed!  I'm mega-grateful! Thank you!

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This is something that has been tried before:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4372

--uh, no relation.

quote:
U.S. Attorney Fired After Failing to Indict ACORN for Voter Fraud

There are new developments in the scandal over the Bush administration's firing of eight U.S. Attorneys. One of the dismissed prosecutors has revealed that he was pressured by Republican officials to target the advocacy group ACORN for voter fraud. ACORN was working on a voter registration drive in low-income and largely minority neighborhoods in New Mexico. David Iglesias told Newsweek that he found no case worth bringing against ACORN. But that apparently did not please the White House. Last week Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's ex-chief of staff D. Kyle Sampson testified that during the run-up to the mid-term election White House adviser Karl Rove complained that Iglesias and two other U.S. Attorneys had not done enough to prosecute so-called voter fraud.


You know, going through a five minute Yahoo run on "ACORN and voter fraud", I suppose this is the "crime" of the moment. The way it's being told, you would think it was a nation-wide conspiracy to get poor people and minorities to vote.

Wait, it is!

A couple of points:

1. Mistakes happen

2. Stupid people do stupid things.

But why in the world would anybody on the Left try to sabotage this election NOW?

Occam's Razor, baby. Occam's Razor.

After the election, let's see what happens. Personally, I'm inexplicably reminded of -- what was his name? Baghdad Bob? -- that guy who kept telling us how Iraq was just about to win the war and there were tremendous battles being fought where nobody was there.

A little more cynicism is good advice for everybody.
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eligiblybanned

And since were on the subject, what about people who are eligible to vote who won't be able to:

quote:
The actions do not seem to be coordinated by one party or the other, nor do they appear to be the result of election officials intentionally breaking rules, but are apparently the result of mistakes in the handling of the registrations and voter files as the states tried to comply with a 2002 federal law, intended to overhaul the way elections are run.

    Still, because Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, any heightened screening of new applications may affect their party’s supporters disproportionately. The screening or trimming of voter registration lists in the six states — Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina — could also result in problems at the polls on Election Day: people who have been removed from the rolls are likely to show up only to be challenged by political party officials or election workers, resulting in confusion, long lines and heated tempers.

    Some states allow such voters to cast provisional ballots. But they are often not counted because they require added verification.

    Although much attention this year has been focused on the millions of new voters being added to the rolls by the candidacy of Senator Barack Obama, there has been far less notice given to the number of voters being dropped from those same rolls.

    States have been trying to follow the Help America Vote Act of 2002 and remove the names of voters who should no longer be listed; but for every voter added to the rolls in the past two months in some states, election officials have removed two, a review of the records shows.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-camp-downplays-payments-to-acorn/


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Mistakes happen
Stupid people do stupid things


Gee, thanks, Brad. That makes it all clear. Acorn is a wonderful organization (disregard the felonies) and were simply plagued by mistakes and stupid people. You are a generous man....depending on the target.

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Stupidity has its comforts
and advantages . . .

Voter fraud
is like illegal immigration;
you’re not going to catch all of it
or even remotely most of it
and therein lies
a winning strategy
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Seems Obama isn't alone in this mess:

Miami Dade College: February 20, 2006 Press Release

McCain attended a rally affiliated with ACORN, and was also a keynote speaker there. Here's a picture of him there as well (the man sitting with him on the right is Representative Kendrick Meek of Florida):



More classic "straight talk" indeed.

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A little under the weather and not up for jousting, but wanted to share a couple of things:

Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."
”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said."
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/10/13/obama_not_the_only_candidate_associated_with_acorn_the_plot_thickens.php

“It's also worth noting that similar allegations were made against ACORN in the last few election cycles, and several investigations were conducted, none of which found evidence of widespread voter fraud. Many of these were conducted by US attorneys, who were pressured by GOP political figures to investigate the issue, then fired after they failed to come up with sufficient evidence.”
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/a_dose_of_reality_on_the_acorn.php

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Noah, no offense, but do you even know what that conference was?

It was an pro-active immigration reform bill.  Really careless of you to say it was affiliated with ACORN.  The event was sponsored by ' New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE.'

That's 10 groups.  Your attempt to tie McCain to ACORN this way is disengenious and careless.  The purpose of the meeting was to discuss how to make the 11 million undocumented workers legal, among other things.   Surely you're not saying this was a 'bad idea'?   If anything, it shows how imbedded ACORN is in the decision making of laws.
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Many of these were conducted by US attorneys, who were pressured by GOP political figures to investigate the issue, then fired after they failed to come up with sufficient evidence.”

They are certainly not talking about this year, where 14 indictments have been laid down and felony convictions passed out. In Texas, investigators found over 4000 names of deceased people on Acorn's voter registration lists.

Noah, I hope you learned something.....
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The Republican voter fraud hoax
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/oct/13/election-acorn-voter-fraud

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"In Texas, investigators found over 4000 names of deceased people on Acorn's voter registration lists."
Could you source that for me, Balladeer?

What I've found so far is that the voter registration lists, not Acorn's list, contained those 4000 names, showing the real issue was not about voter registration fraud, but the failure of county officials to properly cull existing voter registration lists.

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When I say Acorn's voters registrations list, I am referring to voters lists involving Acorn's recruiting.

In addition, there was video on the Greta Van Sustern program of a black in Ohio today who confessed to filling out a voters regristration form 73 times because Acorn promised him cigarettes and told him he was helping the black people with his actions and that he wasn't doing anything wrong. This was not a report...this was the actual video of the young man's admission.
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On Brett Hume, the director of voter registration in Cayahoga county in Ohio states that Acorn has registered 74,000 new voters but that there are problems with 8000 of them, which have been turned over to federal authorities. The head of Acorn claims that it is all based on partisan politicing.
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THE ACORN scandal now affects 13 total states.

That's 1/4th of states of the United States.  Let's be frank here:  ACORN is a political action group firmly entrenched in the Democratic party's pocket for years.  All those feeble early attempts to discredit the early ACORN fraud news stories seem misguided and naiive.  

In my opnion, the Obama connection with ACORN is 10 times more important and valid than the Ayres/terrorist connection.  But McCain is afraid to lose the moderate vote, and won't touch this story except to dance around it.  
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  ACORN has been in 'business' for 30 years.  Obama and Dick Durbin has lobbied for and received, huge government grants to this activist organization.  They are knee-deep in this scandal.  There are pictures showing Obama standing in front of an easel teaching ACORN volunteers how to canvas voter registration.  The picture was posted at one time on the ACORN site itself!  Yet, Obama's propaganda website says he never had any direct involvement with the group.

Right .. .

But the kicker is this:  the media ignored all the stories for as long as they could.  When the fourth or fifth state showed voter regis. fraud, they couldn't ignore it any longer.  Now in its 13th state of fraud, the ACORN scandal is ONLY in the news because each day a NEW state scandal with them surfaces.  Otherwise, it would have stay buried as it was for 30 years.
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  The problem with ACORN is the same systemic problem with other minority-heavy demographic areas:  there's no check and balance system to blow the whistle on them.  ACORN operates in areas that are almost exclusively Black neighborhoods.  This fact has been totally lost on the news cycles.  Blacks traditionally vote 95%+ for Democrats.  Therefore, most of the voter volunteers are Democrats in this area, and have been well-schooled on the proper anti-Repub viewpoint.  

  
    My purpose for this comment is shine a light on Political Correctness and how it has kept the populace from discusing and engaging in truthful discourse.  If you can't talk about 'certain topics' then the subject of those topics are bullet-proof.

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Can someone clarify exactly how this “voter fraud” works? Seriously, I’m not really sure how voter registration works in the US but I’ve looked into it and frankly I’m a little confused.

As I understand it Acorn canvassers get potential voters to fill in a registration document, Acorn audit them and mark any incomplete or dubious forms before handing all of them, including those marked as dubious (they have to by law) to election officials.

The election officials check the forms and add all the legitimate applicants to the register of voters, all the dubious forms are double checked then discarded.

I can’t see any fraud yet - simply a system of checks and balances that seems to be working.

Maybe the fraud is perpetrated against Acorn:

Acorn canvassers get paid for every registration by Acorn, so maybe some of them decide to fill in false details, like Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck to up their earnings. Acorn when they validate the form mark it as dubious and, adhering to the letter of the law, pass it to election officials. The election officials can then either reject it as dubious or start jumping up and down claiming the Acorn is trying to fraudulently register Mickey Mouse.

Could the fraud affect the election?

Let’s say that Acorn don’t mark Mickey Mouse’s application as dubious and some dipstick election official neither rejects it nor claims foul to CNN but adds Mickey to the electoral register. Now Mickey Mouse, or someone purporting to be Mickey Mouse can turn up on voting day and cast a vote for that nasty Obama, right?

Well actually no, apparently any first time voter who hasn’t registered in person can only vote if they produce proof of their identity when they turn up to vote - I believe that’s federal law - another check to thwart vote rigging.

So where’s the fraud?

Let me just say I’m not 100% sure that the process as outlined above is correct, I only spent 10 minutes on Google digging into it so I could be completely wrong here. If someone could explain the process, or just correct me where I got it wrong I’d be extremely grateful.

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The biggest concern is in Ohio where they had the same day registration/voting and the Secretary of State of Ohio is not forwarding the Federal list of Social Security #'s to the county level in order for them to determine if those are valid registrations/votes. Once the votes are taken from the envelope, they become anonymous and can no longer be verified. It seems that she has been successful in her delaying tactics in forestalling the verification process by appealing and winning in the appeals court against the Federal Judge who ordered her to cooperate with the county level workers so that they could do the verifications. I think the deadline is tomorrow, and then all those votes, which couldn't be verified, one way or the other, have to count as a valid vote.

 
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