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200 posted 09-05-2008 04:57 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Well Karilea after that speech she made I'd have frankly been staggered if the GOP and Palin hadn't made good progress in the polls.

To be honest it's somewhat surprising that her rating isn't higher than 58% given the coverage she's had, the way she looks etc.

Interesting I see that 65% of men approve her as opposed to only 52% of women.  I don't find that gap at all surprising (cynical old me ), and I'd expect it to widen a bit more as more women become disillusioned.

Later when the testosterone has cooled a bit and the men engage their brains, they'll catch up with the women (men are always behind on stuff like this!) and rationality will prevail - the gap in percentages might close.

The reason I posted the Monitor link was precisely because, given the proximity of the wonderful speech, I was surprised at the largely negative views of what one would presume are very educated people, given the newspaper they are reading.

Thanks for the wider view Karilea.
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John, the most important viewpoint at the polls will be yours.

MB, after having worked as a paralegal for 25 years, I always try to take in both sides of any situation/position or argument. And that sometimes leads to a pounding headache.

Thanks for looking at the wider picture.
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202 posted 09-05-2008 05:19 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

I see that Karilea!

Now, I have said above why I think Jaime broke the Freedom of Speech guideline, are you going to express an opinion on whether I am right or not?

Also Ron says:

"Any poetry or prose that condones or promotes hate or violence will be removed from the site immediately."

Doesn't this do that?

Palin is a populist demigog.
So when Palin says:
White ist der master race,
ve say heil,
heil,
right in Palin's face.
Mz McCain Cindy  ain't much better.
So when Frau Cindy says:
I'm mistress of zis place,
Ve sai heil,
heil,
right up frau McCain's face.
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203 posted 09-05-2008 05:28 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

This:
http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

is very interesting too.

It also contains the most unfortunate and hilarious typo I've seen in a long while.

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“It scares me that the potential to make an objective decision in this race might very well have gone up in flames with John McCain's desire to win. And if he succeeds to that end, will he be any better than the terrorists who have hijacked the Islamic religion and pursued suicide bombings and other dispicable crimes in the name of Allah?”

Oh Please . . .

This is so incredibly stupid . . .
and sadly there are some who would read it and nod their heads.

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[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (09-05-2008 06:50 PM).]

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MB, I'm going to go back to my suggestion that if YOU see it as a violation of the guideline, then you are free to report it, whether or not DMs, SMs or Admins have responded to it. A decision will be made from that point forward. In staying on topic, Jaime's post has nothing to do with this thread [unless he posted it in this thread.]

Thanks!
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206 posted 09-05-2008 05:55 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Ok Karilea, I see what you mean.  I suppose I was hoping you might think it was serious enough yourself to take it up in the mods forum.  If no-one else has reported it I will consider doing so.

While strictly not on topic the issue arises because it sets the bar miserbaly low imo for what is and isn't acceptable.  On the basis that Jaime's posts were acceptable then Jennifer's most certainly were.

Ty again for the time.

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Sunshine, I have tried twice to report the post and both times got the message that it had already been reported as being inappropriate by someone else and further input would confuse things, something to that effect.

I am really shocked that when presented with the evidence that what was said in Ringo's post was not true, and that it in no way reflected either my feelings or actions that you call it just an "observation".

Are you seriously saying that posts containing lies or remarks that attach words, actions or feelings to another PiP poster which have no basis in fact are allowed? Just call them an observation and it gets pass?  

I have to tell you, I'm shaking my head in disbelief.

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Palin was elected governor in November of 2006, and assumed her position in January 2007.

When budget time rolled around in 2007, Sarah Palin---self professed advocate for special needs chldren, mother to a special needs child, aunt to a special needs child, and who promised in her acceptance speech last night that she was there for special needs children---slashed the budget. When she said she would be a "friend and advocate in the White House," I guess she just meant in words, not with actual money for needed services.

Under Governor Palin, funds decreased from a planned budget of 8265.30 to 3156.0. That's a 62% decrease. Actual consumed amount went from 7949.3 to 3156.00, where it lingers to this day. That's a 60% decrease.

How many children lost services? Too many.

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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation—“SP”—Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House’s web site, its purpose is to provide “young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives” and help teen moms “become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families.”
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Jennifer, in regard to your post #207, I have done some searching and am not even locating the poem/post to which you and MB are pulling up, and I've done the search in several venues. Please provide a link, which will help immensely.

As for Ringo's reply, once again I will state: if you found it offensive, file a complaint, and it will be dealt with, in accordance with the DM and SM moderators following our guidelines. Personally, I would suggest you take it up with the owner of the site. This is his forum to moderate, and I know that about two.five pages ago, I spent way too much time trying to bring a little peace into a discussion that had gotten way off topic.

Thank you.

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Not a problem, Sunshine. I've moved on and even forgiven Ringo for his lies and his misrepresentations of my feelings and actions. Just my observation, but sometimes insecure men feel a bit emasculated and threatened by women obviously more informed and intelligent than they are.

Anyway, as you can see, my last two posts are back on topic.  Palin cut funding for pregnant teens, teens in crisis and special needs children, but found room in the budget to promote her own bloody agenda, aerial hunting.
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Dear Sunshine,

           Pardon my confusion here, please.  I've noticed that you've suggested moonbeam or JenniferMaxwell file complaints if they felt that the posts they referenced were inappropriate.  In looking over their postings over the past several pages I've noticed they seem to have registered a number of complaints personally with you, a sensitive and capable moderator indeed.  You have said that you have gotten these complaints and yet somehow continued to ask both women to submit complaints as though they had not done so.  How can this be?

     Mr. Fradera's response when he was initially confronted with the nature of his postings about Senator Obama and Senator Clinton suggested that this was the nature of satire, and that those that were offended were probably the ones that should be.  I can't get too upset by that particular response, personally, but his use of the nazi party to smear left wing politicians who are against the right wing policies of anything remotely like the nazis is in fact an enormous obscenity in itself.  It should have been strongly censured (as opposed to censored) at the time.  It was particularly offensive to those of us who did loose family to the right wing obscenity called the nazi party and feel that there may be some danger of  a similar resurgence of irrational right wing sentiment here in the United States today.

     For this reason, the politics of the smear is particularly reprehensible to me.  As it should be to anybody with a sense of history.

     Moonbeam and JenniferMaxwell have both fairly straightforwardly raised complaints to you, a moderator, in a public forum about the language and attitude in the posts of two other members.  Were these the typical anonymous reports that I'm lead to understand you receive about such things, you would not have the luxury of asking people who regard themselves as being offended to prove their case and to provide you with the links you find necessary to make whatever decision or take whatever action you need to make.  You would have to do it on your own.  I understand that this seems more difficult because both Ringo and Balladeer are both themselves moderators.  I find it even more difficult personally because I'm very fond of Balladeer.  I'm sure Ringo is a fine guy as well.  But I have to ask you, why are you suggesting that you haven't gotten requests to act when they've been pretty much out in the open, here for everybody to see, over the past several pages of this thread?

     Threatening to bring the thread to a close seems a pretty poor solution.  That decision simply serves to sanction those people who complain about the way they've been treated contrary to the rules of the road for the web site.  It does nothing to affirm those rules.  In fact it seems actively to undermine them specifically in the favor of people who have at least the appearance of power.

     If you feel so moved, any clarification you might offer would be greatly appreciated.  

Sincerely, Bob Kaven
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Bob K

I have not brought this particular thread to a conclusion on its topic. I merely asked, after a good part of my time was spent on trying to find the referenced threads, and not being able to do so, a matter of "they know, so please show me". It's easy to not find something around here; I've helped many a member find their way around. But right now, I'm not going to spend more time in looking for something they've referenced without a link.

So that you know, however, I have a great fondness for history and its lessons. I also have a great regard for allowing people to display history as they wish to do so; as long as they are not disparaging a member in their posts, everyone IS allowed their own opinions, whether I agree with them or not.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me personally.

Thank you.
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Actually dialoguing within a thread with a moderator is not classified as reporting. The inappropriate content button on each reply is the proper route to report a grievance. And for the record differences are usually settled privately and not publicly. Personally I find the degree of offense to be exaggerated even if the complaint is considred legitimate.
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"used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live"

It is not hard to find quotes in the Washington Post or "Huffington" against the Governor, or even the Obama web site.

The Gov. did reduce the budget for the Covenant House from $5 million to $3.9 in the 2008 budget.

The budget for the Covenant House in 2007 was 1.3 million and 1.2 million in 2006. One could say she increased the budget of the Covenant three fold in one year.  The increase was for capital improvements.

This is a quote from the director of the Covenant House...

"Despite some press reports to the contrary, our operating budget was not reduced. Our $3.9 million appropriation is directed toward a multi-year capital project and it is our understanding that the state simply opted to phase in its support for this project over several years, rather than all at once in the current budget year"

As to special needs funding...

"Under Governor Palin, funds decreased from a planned budget of 8265.30 to 3156.0. That's a 62% decrease. Actual consumed amount went from 7949.3 to 3156.00, where it lingers to this day. That's a 60% decrease."

Budgets, even of small states are not always easy to comprehend.  If you go back to 2006 and follow the budget process through, you will see line items were changed and that in reality, there was a increase in funding to special needs education and increases specifically to the rural areas of Alaska.

Sometimes, rather relying on biased blogs or reporting, it is best to go to the source and check the facts.

Only in America can a three fold increase in government funding be considered a slashing of the budget.

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Dear Tim,

          A telling and a useful point.

     Now of course you've got me wondering about "rural" and the percentage of funding meant for "rural" and the percent meant for "urban" usage when I had hoped to put the whole issue to rest and get some nice sleep.  I will make a determined effort to forget it, at least for now.

     Do you know of any movements trying to smuggle small arms to the wolves and bears up there?  I'm wondering if there isn't some way of getting the FBI and the CIA involved in the election and designating the polar bears as terrorists?  Nah!  I'm sure somebody's already explored and rejected the idea.  But you've gotta admit The National Polar Bear Liberation Front does have a certain swashbucking lilt to it, don't you think?

     Yours tongue in cheek, Bob Kaven
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Even here in backwoods Britain Sarah is grabbing the morning headlines now.

This from the Independent online.  And also on the newstands a similar lead article on our breakfast tables this morning.

Palin: the real scandal

By Leonard Doyle in Anchorage
Saturday, 6 September 2008

Seen from the air, Sarah Palin's state is an environmental wonderland. From Anchorage to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, there is a vast landscape of snow-capped peaks, fjords, crystal glaciers, coastal lagoons, wide river deltas and tundra.

The guardian of this wilderness – and Governor of Alaska – has, this week, become one of the most recognisable faces in the world. But behind her beaming smile and wholesome family values is a woman aligned with the big oil and coal firms that are racing to exploit Alaska's vast energy reserves. In the short term, that has bought her popularity at home.

"I love the woman," the pilot on our flight shouts over the noise of the engine, "especially what she wants to do with oil, we just have to drill more, there is no alternative. What's the point of leaving it all in the ground?"

It is a stance that guaranteed John McCain's new running mate a rapturous reception at the Republican convention this week where the response to the coming energy crisis was a chant of "drill, baby, drill".

But the woman who could soon be a 72-year-old's heartbeat away from the United States presidency has an environmental policy so toxic it would make the incumbent, George Bush, blush.

Mr McCain has stressed he is concerned about global warming and has come out against drilling in the Arctic reserve. But, in recent weeks, he has wobbled on the issue. And environmentalists are describing Mrs Palin, who denies climate change is man-made, as "either grossly misinformed or intentionally misleading".

She wants to start drilling. She wants to block US moves to list the polar bear as an endangered species. And she has allowed big game hunters to shoot Alaska's bears and wolves from low-flying planes.

The 44-year-old governor says a federal government decision to protect the polar bear will cripple energy development offshore. As a result, she is suing the Bush administration, which ruled the polar bear is endangered and needs protection.

The US Geological Survey says climate change has shrunk Arctic summer sea ice to about 1.65 million sq miles, nearly 40 per cent less than the long-term average between 1979 and 2000.

In such a situation it was unconscionable for Governor Palin to ignore overwhelming evidence of global warming's threat to sea ice, says Kassie Siegel of the Centre for Biological Diversity.

"Even the Bush administration can't deny the reality of global warming," Ms Siegel said. "The governor is aligning herself and the state of Alaska with the most discredited, fringe, extreme viewpoints by denying this."

Governor Palin would also like to bring open-cast coal mining to Alaska's Brooks Range Mountains, an act of environmental vandalism in the eyes of many.

The Palin administration has allowed Chevron to triple the amount of toxic waste it pours into the waters of Cook Inlet. This, even though the number of beluga whales in the bay has collapsed from 1,300 to 350 – the point of extinction – because of pollution and increased ship traffic.

On the Republican convention floor she said: "We Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas and take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: We've got lots of both."

The fact that drilling won't solve every problem "is no excuse to do nothing at all", she said, putting the country on notice that "starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more nuclear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal and other alternative sources".

Mrs Palin also took a swipe at Barack Obama's environmental stance saying: "What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?"

Her support in Alaska relies on squeezing more money for the state from the oil companies themselves. In Alaska, every man woman and child is in line for a bonus cheque of about $2,000 (£1,100) from the state's massive oil wealth fund. This is, in effect, a vote-buying machine for the would-be Vice-President.

Governor Palin wants nothing to hinder the oil companies. She maintains that polar bears are well managed and their population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation. And if the ice should go away, then they will adapt to living on the land.

Many oil companies abandoned Alaska when prices fell in the 1980s but they have been rushing back to drill and prospect areas that are among the least hospitable on earth. That spirit of the Klondike is already in full swing in Prudhoe Bay the epicentre of oil production and one of the world's largest industrial complexes. It's so big that BP, UPS and FedEx operate a special fleet of jets from Anchorage just to service to the region.

Hundreds of spills involving tens of thousands of gallons of crude oil and other petroleum products occur in the area each year. Decades-old spills are still a problem and 17,000 acres of wildlife and marine habitat have already been destroyed.

But Prudhoe is just a tiny fraction of the area being targeted by Governor Palin and the oil companies. A similar fate of environmental destruction awaits the entire coastal plain as well as the special areas of the western Arctic – home to migratory caribou herds, musk oxen, wolverines, grizzly and polar bears should a McCain-Palin administration be elected.

The oil boom has attracted oilmen from across America. One of them is Todd Palin, husband to the vice-presidential candidate who works for BP on Alaska's North Slope.

It is illegal to hunt polar bears, and that is not about to change. But in an area known as "Polar Bear Seas", from Point Hope on Alaska's far western edge to the pristine coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve, one tenth of the world's polar bear population is at risk, as well as beluga and bowheaded whales and bearded and spotted seals.

Big game hunters are happy to pay lots of money to shoot wolves and bears from the air. They also chase them across the snow to the point of exhaustion and then land the planes on skis, shooting them from point-blank range. The animals are considered endangered across the "lower 48" states of America, but not Alaska. The hunters keep and sell the animals' pelts.

Last year, Mrs Palin proposed offering a bounty of $150 per wolf, as long as the hunter provided the wolf's foreleg as proof of the kill. The measure did not pass. She even spent $400,000 on a state-funded campaign to block attempts to end the hunt.

Its not just wildlife conservationists who object. Many ordinary Alaskans also condemn the practice as barbaric.

Trish Rolfe, who runs the Sierra Club's Alaska office, thinks Governor Palin has been a disaster for Alaska's environment. "The idea that she stands up to the oil companies is a joke," she says.

"The governor pays lip service to the issue of global warming but denies it is man made. She will not even spend money to help the Inupiaq villages which are about to fall into the sea."
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Dear Bob,

quote:
Do you know of any movements trying to smuggle small arms to the wolves and bears up there?  I'm wondering if there isn't some way of getting the FBI and the CIA involved in the election and designating the polar bears as terrorists?  Nah!  I'm sure somebody's already explored and rejected the idea.  But you've gotta admit The National Polar Bear Liberation Front does have a certain swashbucking lilt to it, don't you think?



Some of the remarks in this thread have hit me pretty hard.  I am very proud of my state.  I am mesmerized daily by the beauty that surrounds me.  We love the fowl that fly through on their way to the Lower 48 and beyond in the fall and we love to watch them return in the spring.  I was driving home tonight and saw a moose on the side of the road.  I often stop on the way to work to get a picture of the sunrise over the river - and I take pictures of early sunsets in the fall.  I am not the only one like that up here.  Most of us are.

We are not out slaying the wildlife.  We are concerned about the future of Alaska, maintaining the cultures of the indigenous people, and being responsible caretakers for the children to come and those who hope to come here some day.

The disparaging remarks made about Alaska in general have disturbed me in many of the comments on this thread.  

I was raised that there is a side to every issue.  I also am aware of the lack of understanding that people have towards Alaska.  I am disappointed to see contributers of this thread be swept up in bias, snide remarks, and mocking innuendo about a place that they may never have been to, may never come to, and may never understand.

I honestly thought you above the remarks that you made in your last post.  Humor is only funny when it does not make others feel belittled.

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For the record, exploration on the North Slope is monitored very closely.  There are concerns to not disturb the tundra and a lot of work is done in the winter on ice roads.  Scientists are monitoring, not only the impacts of existing drilling, but the existing wildlife to determine if climate changes have impacted them.  We have migrating birds come in from all over the world, and we realize the responsibility that we have to keep up healthy populations.  Decades ago, the concern was that the pipeline would disrupt the migration of caribou; time has proven that they adapted very well to it.

Polar bear are not being disturbed by oil exploration.  The disturbance is being attributed to climate changes.  No one wants to see them erradicated from the ice packs of Alaska.  Moose populations are monitored - if they undergo a severe decline, they are not hunted.  Some areas are only open to indigenous people to  hunt and practice their subsistance lifestyles.  

Some animals are hunted by a lottery style of selecting who is allowd to hunt them.

None of this means that there is a gaurentee that hunters will get kill anything.  We are not out taking potshots at whatever moves in the woods.  We love the animals we live around - and sometimes they live pretty closely to us.

Last winter, wolves were coming into yards and hunting dogs on chains.  Pretty smart.  No one went out with machine guns and mowed down the wolves all around the place.  There are concerns about wildlife and humans interacting - sometimes the biggest crime is people feeding moose in the winter or not taking their garbage to the landfills and attracting animals.  We have had a number of deaths by bears on bike paths and running paths very close to Anchorage.

I understand that not all people like hunting.  Not all people like trapping.  Not all people like fishing or clamming.  But, I do ask those of you who are googling your fingers off to google responsibly.  Look for two sides of the story for information.  Google the Alaska Dept of Fish and Game and read how game management works.  Google exploration requirements on the North Slope and find out what they are.  Look up Federal and state requirements.

Yes, there are negatives - and there are lots of positives that have been totally overlooked in this thread.  

Some people want development, some don't.  We all want Alaska to remain beautiful, healthy, but we also have to make a living in a state where only 3% of the land is owned by by private landowners.  

I keep reading how people have been insulted in this thread.  Some of you have insulted an entire state - and chalked it up to humor and the right for people to know.  You all have a right to know, but I have never made fun of a state based on the political candidates from it.

How sad is that?  Pretty sad.

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When the legislature approves x number of dollars in funding for a program and the governor reduces that amount, no matter how you spin it, it's still a cut in funding.

I don't recall any posts attacking the State of Alaska, just issues like aerial hunting, drilling in ANWR, etc. However, should the State feel differently, that indeed it's being attacked, they can always click the inappropriate content button or file a complaint with the forum moderator.

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Alison

For the record I think Alaska is an absolutely beautiful state I would love to have the privilege of living there.  Moreover I am sure the people of Alaska are lovely people.  

It's your Governor I am concerned about, and, given some of the revelations about her, not least in today's Independent newspaper in the UK (see above)I think I have some reason to be.  So, in my view, should all good Alaskans, but then I do have a good deal of sympathy because perhaps if I was being promised a $2000 cheque I might overlook some of the stickier issues.

Just to re-emphasise (as a lover of cold and sometimes harsh climates - I sort of live in one too!!), I really do think Alaska is one of most fantastic places on the face of the earth   .
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Many thanks for your time, sorry you couldn't find the relevant links.  When I get a moment I'll pull it all together in a more comprehensible form and drop Ron a line.

Cheers for now.

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"The Palin administration has allowed Chevron to triple the amount of toxic waste it pours into the waters of Cook Inlet. This, even though the number of beluga whales in the bay has collapsed from 1,300 to 350 – the point of extinction – because of pollution and increased ship traffic."

Wow, that's really shocking. Doesn't seem she really cares much about preserving the pristine nature of the beautiful state of Alaska or protecting marine life. Seems big oil is what's really at the top of her agenda.

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Desperately trying to defend his boss's disastrous choice, McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt put out a statement asserting that Palin has "a record of accomplishment that exceeds, by far, the governing accomplishments of Sen. Obama." Does he really believe he can win this election by insulting our intelligence?

True, technically speaking, Barack Obama has no "executive experience." He's never been mayor of a town of 5,000. Nor has he been governor of a state with more reindeer than people. Yet for four years as a United States senator, Obama has studied, wrestled with, and voted on every national issue from Social Security to health care to education. He has helped chart foreign policy from Iraq to Georgia. And for the last 19 months, as candidate for president, he has been grilled and spoken out on every domestic and foreign issue there is.

How much knowledge or hands-on experience does Sarah Palin have of any of these issues? Zero! Unless, of course, you subscribe to the theory of geographical proximity. As articulated by that master international strategist Cindy McCain, since "Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia," Palin is uniquely qualified to punch out Vladimir Putin the next time he swallows up a neighboring province or two.
  
MCCAIN WANTS MOOSE HUNTER IN WHITE HOUSE http://www.tmsfeatures.com/columns/political/liberal/bill-press/25589649.html?  
 
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