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Balladeer
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50 posted 04-25-2008 02:28 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

btw...

Hence, it is not surprising to find somebody using Black and White thinking to say, "Nobody is right, nobody is wrong and there are no actual facts,

I'm afraid you missed altogether there, Bob. I was not saying I feel that way. I was pointing out to what is said by those who argue against black and white. Apparently I said it in a way to confuse you....one of the problems of written words as opposed to oral conversation.

goodnight....
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Knock! Knock.   have you wake up yet, dear Sir Balladeer?

Rand chose black, white and gray  as moral codes and she obviously was dumper than RumsField  who knew for each color of security there was a saying in it. right?

She did not use right and wrong because she knew that she could NOT define right and wrong by herself.

And she has no idea what she was talking about on self-interests. In Russian  that could have meant something else.  

And she knew that she had stolen the ideas from the communism....this is very scary to me.

And her philosophy,  borrowed thread with self-made notes(knots) to make sel-fishy net full of holes.
              
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Thank you for explaining Ayn Rand's true meaning of her words. Were she still alive I'm sure she would be grateful, also.
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Dear Balladeer,

          
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Balladeer: True enough but when I see something as a chair and you see it as a porcupine then I won't argue. I'll simply ask you to sit on it.


     Sorry, Balladeer, I'd rather sit on your chair, most of the time.  I'm seldom in the mood to sit on a porcupine.

      
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Balladeer, first quoting BK, then responding himself:

     BK:  A chair is a chair except when it's thirty feet tall and made out of aluminum, standing in front of The Pacific  Design Center in LA, a hundred feet away from a thirty foot tall aluminum  table lamp.  Then it may be a piece of design.

     Balladeer:  And would you call that 30 foot tall piece of design a table, Bob? Or would it still be a chair?


     No, sorry, Balladeer, neither a table nor a chair, but simply a piece of design; or perhaps a sculpture.  Perhaps you have a table  large enough for it, and to put the matching table lamp upon, which was the point in the first place, to show these ordinary objects as pieces of design and not as ordinary objects.  A simple change in scale has accomplished the transformation in point of view.

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  Balladeer:  Arguments like this are what have muddied the waters so much that truth and fact become so garbled that one cannot recognize fact when one sees it.


     Well, actually, yes.  The muddying and confusion that you see here and are so uncomfortable with is the way many of us see reality all the time.  We don't see it as being clearly organized into right and wrong and good and bad.  We see overlapping motives as spurring people, organizations, and Countries with agendas of mixed qualities into actions that have a broad range of consequences; not all of them predictable, not all of them good, even for their own constituents.

     The problem isn't so much in knowing fact when you see it, but in evaluating what level of trust to place in the facts and opinions you get.  This is of course my opinion, I'm stating it that way because I don't want you to think I'm trying to sneak it in here as a fact.  It's a strongly held personal point of view.

     If you had a look at the article of how black and white thinking affects business decision-making, you'll understand a little bit of the pragmatics of why I think this way.  It's not simply a pie in the sky point of view.  It's a dollars and cents practical point of view as well.

    
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