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75 posted 09-23-2008 11:36 PM       View Profile for threadbear   Email threadbear   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for threadbear

The thing that irritates me about Obama is his feeble attempts to reach the 'middle' while he is clearly to the Far-Left from a policy standpoint and from a voting record.  I am a firm believer that NEITHER presidential candidate should be from the far left or right.   A person that far out 1) doesn't compromise, ever
2) lies to get to the 'middle' when beneficial
3) cannot see anyone else's point of view
4) tends to be ideological instead of pragmatic.  

These attempts to paint McCain, who is clearly a middle-of-the road Republican, as a BUSH CLONE is so misguided.   On the same token, Obama has gotten a pass, completely, on being a closet(?) socialist and a redistributor of wealth from the press and attack ads.  Doesn't figure.  One is far left, the other is middle-right, yet only McCain gets slammed for being too far one way or another.  

  The telling stat:  only 6% of folks polled thought Obama was a 'Liberal.'  How can a person that far left NOT be called a liberal?  Boggles the mind how uninformed voters can be.  
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76 posted 09-24-2008 04:06 AM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K

Dear Threadbear,

           You accept to quickly.  While the data shows that Obama is the most liberal of the senators, there are some things it doesn't show.

     It doesn't show the accuracy of the scale measuring right and left, for example.  To anybody with a history of observation of the country's politics over the past 50 years, the things that Obama is being called an extremist for suggesting were accepted as middle of the road or only slightly left of center even by a broad range of Republicans not so very long ago.  What is being accepted as McCain being a middle of the road Republican today, in many areas of the country 50 years ago you have gotten him roundly condemned as being, to put it kindly, very far to the right extreme of the spectrum.  Certainly his approval of torture and willingness to approve of this administrations efforts at and success in accomplishing the bypass of congressional controls on presidential powers would have caused considerable outrage by the congress that threw Richard Nixon out of office for doing considerably less.  Might I also remind you that over-all, the Senator has voted with the administration on 90-95% of the legislation it's put forward.

     While Obama may be listed as the #1 Liberal in the Senate, the same organization that issued that rating on Senator OBama found itself unable to rate McCain at all, because he had missed more than half the votes needed to get a rating in the first place.  McCain was, in other words, looking out for McCain, while Obama was looking out for Obama plus being a Senator as well.  

     I could go on, but it's late and I go on too much anyway.

And Balladeer, I didn't particularly like what the article said, but they've got a right to say it, and I don't know that they're biased.  They just disagree with me.  Not the same thing.  As long as I figure they're not cooking the books, they can disagree away, and I'll listen unhappily away.  I reserve the right to an occasional throaty growl, but then you do as much yourself, sometimes.  No harm.

Best to you both.  Bob Kaven
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Throaty growls are always acceptable, Bob
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