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A Romantic Heart
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0 posted 01-16-2008 02:29 AM       View Profile for A Romantic Heart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for A Romantic Heart

Received This in an Email Today...


Subject: Who is Barack Obama?
  
Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice.
  
If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.
  
We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.
  
Who is Barack Obama?
  
Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.? When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.
  
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also  attended Catholic school."
  
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that  he is not a radical.
  
Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.
  
Lolo Soetoro, the second husba nd of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.
  
Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now w aging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major public office in the Un ited States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
  
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.
  
Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.
  
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.
  
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!
  
Please forward to everyone you know. Would y ou want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!!
  
  
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Thanks for highlighting this piece of drivel but you should have deleted this as soon as you got it because it contains a dangerous virus, it won’t trash your hard drive or damage your PC because it‘s a virus of the mind. It’s called blatant racism.

I’ll give you a piece of advice, if you find a candidate that condones or promotes the opinion expressed in this e-mail under no circumstances have anything to do with him, you’d be far better off with a Muslim or Atheist than a card carrying racist.


[This message has been edited by Grinch (01-16-2008 06:30 AM).]

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I heartily echo Mr Grinch.

Scroll down to the end of the snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem link, don't just look at the first photo and blurb.  
Get the facts straight, please, and refrain from religious/racist garbage.
Don't just cut and paste the parts you THINK support your POV.

In addition, Muslim-phobic comments do not further our national beliefs in equality and freedom to accept whatever religion (or none) we choose.
Read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution again.

[This message has been edited by Midnitesun (01-16-2008 08:43 AM).]

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I am not likely to support Barack Obama because he often reminds me of a ('slick') snake oil salesman of the late 19th. century; however,
it might be useful for folks to get their facts straight before opening their mouths or uncapping their pens; etc.

1. Mr. Obama is a Christian;
2. He was 'sworn in' on a Christian bible;
3. He has definitively LED congress in the
   'pledge of allegiance' to the U.S. flag on
   several occasions.

In my ever-most-humble opinion, the present 'executive branch' of the U.S. government already encompasses far, FAR more to fear than Mr. Obama... what this nation does NOT need is 4-8 more years of an ultra-'rightwing' administration of person(s) [with self-styled 'emperor' aspirations] who are willing to use any and all available "W.M.D.s" [that's Weapons of mass DECEPTION"] against the American people (and democracy) in order to attain their personal/political goals!

[This message has been edited by secondhanddreampoet (01-16-2008 12:27 PM).]

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ok



Del "Abe" Jones
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[This message has been edited by Abe (01-16-2008 02:16 PM).]

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Abe,

Thanks

[This message has been edited by Grinch (01-16-2008 05:06 PM).]

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Ms. ARH,

Your post suggests that the US is exclusively a Christian nation. Ira Krakow, in his essay on the US Constitution, gives a strong response to your post. Please permit me to direct your eye to the US Constitution Article VI, Paragraph 3:

“…no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

If you read nothing else, ARH, please read George Washington’s letter to Truro Synagogue, the oldest synagogue in the United States, after his visit to Newport, Rhode Island's Jewish community. In it, you will find the words imprinted in the hearts of many of our new Americans:

The state “gives bigotry no sanction.”  

It is presented as part of Mr. Krakow’s essay, reprinted below.

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Link to copyrighted blog post

[This message has been edited by Ron (01-16-2008 08:50 PM).]

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Standing ovation for ArtSolstice!
You rock!
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If I had received such an e-mail with rumors like this and I was concerned about something like living according to the Ten Commandments (such as not bearing false witness), and the sayings of Jesus like -- do unto others as I'd have them do unto me... I would actually check the facts before I passed them on to a friend, and certainly before I posted them on the WWW.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

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9 posted 01-16-2008 06:21 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

.

Are we saying one’s religion
has no influence on how one
would govern as well as to what
or whom one would listen to in doing so;
and therefore should not be considered
in choosing whom to vote for?


I'm thinking of Joe Lieberman
whom I personally like yet I have
no doubt where he is and would be
regarding the Middle East.

.
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Huan,

Are you judging him based on his actions or stated intentions or pre-judging him based on his religion alone? I’m presuming, because you say you have no doubt, that it’s the former and I think that’s how everyone should decide which candidate to support.  One of your former Presidents understood the importance of the distinction between a President who is religious and a religious President.

quote:
I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office.


John F. Kennedy

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I have to wonder who dissemenates by email the sort of truly ugly nonsense copied in the originating post.  Did the email have a header indicating the source of orgin as all do, even those from Khazakstan?  

Thank goodness for the opportunity to dump such e's into spam, and not re-receive as chain vitriol.

Oh Yes, and a simple check per Reb's suggestion os the snopes site CONTRADICTS AND DENIES THE TRUTHFULNESS of the email quoted in the post, FROM THE SNOPES SITE'S OWN MEASURES OF VALIDATION.

Best, Jim
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Grinch,

I believe Joe could do nothing
that would imperil the existence of Israel
as a Jewish state and consider himself faithful
to his faith and for him I believe his Judaism
trumps the country in which he lives.  Now
as I said, I personally like the man, (and I
also agree with the purpose of Israel’s existence),
but for anyone else to ignore or discount
the influence of his religion
on his judgments and decisions
would be folly.

For some people being good
with their God matters first.

Personally I would prefer an atheist.

PS JFK was not very RC
.
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Huan,

quote:
PS JFK was not very RC


The question should be was he very American?

quote:
But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected president, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured — perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again not what kind of church I believe in — for that should be important only to me — but what kind of America I believe in.

John F. Kennedy
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600

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.

"The question should be was he very American?"


My answer would be yes
in that he was more a Kennedy
than anything else, yet as such
it disqualifies him as a guide
in judging anyone who is truly devote
when considering him or her for office.

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Didn't have the time to set this right yesterday.  I stand by what I said although I did add "A RADICAL" to the copy of the email I sent. (below)  I am no racist and defend anyone to believe in any religion they like.  
The message about Obama has been sent to me by people who claim to be good christians and that is why they were specifically referenced.


This is a reply I have sent to others who have sent me the bs about Obama >

"I wish all the people who don't like Obama would just admit they are just plain RACIST and be done with it, instead of trying to spread the "muslim" bit.  Has nothing to do with whether someone is for/against Obama!  At the least, how about a little bit of integrity out there in our so-called "christian" society. (or maybe going to the trouble to check something out before passing it along!)
There's no doubt the radical muslims are a scourge and very dangerous but............
Abe

This to one of the potential "Obama" senders who asked me if it was true before she forwarded it. >

Gail, all you have to do to check any of these hoaxes is simply go to www.snopes.com and type in a pertinent part of the message as I did below by just typing in Obama.  If I had any idea he was A RADICAL muslim, please know, I would be the first and loudest protesting him.
Thanks for taking time to ask about this before forwarding!
Have a good one,
Del"

Hope this clarifies my position!
Abe

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Huan Yi,

Richard Nixon was a Quaker. I know you remember Viet Nam. I certainly do.

Re: Lieberman? You may well be correct. Many Christians would also agree with policy supporting Israel for a lot of reasons, many of them equally religious in orientation.

Our Consititution says  “…no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

As Americans, it is our privilege to consider our choices and vote as we please.

Respectfully,
ArtSolstice
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"Richard Nixon was a Quaker. I know you remember Viet Nam. I certainly do. "


But you have to say then he wasn't much
of a devoted Quaker and I think the degree
devotion has to be taken into consideration.
We assume candidates wear their religion
lightly to be thrown off when personally
or politically inconvenient.  How does
a devote anything, in faith, in conscience,
negotiate with or subordinate his God
for the sake of political advantage, (unless
he only does so as a temporary deception
to gain a position whereby he can then
act according, to his faith, to that God)?

The Constitution is concerned that no one by law be excluded
from candidacy or office by virtue of religion; it does not
and should not prohibit consideration of a candidate’s religion
and most importantly his devotion to it  and its tenets
by those voters considering him for office.  


John

PS

“Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness.”

President Ahmadinejad
At Columbia University

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.

I don’t think Barack Obama
sees himself as a “black” man
anymore than Alexander the Great
saw himself as Macedonian
and that makes him attractive as a candidate


.
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This Ole  Politically Incorrect Untra Nationalist Duncan Hunter-ite hates to see anything he agrees with Grinchie  on, BUT ***** OUTTA ***** TO GREENIE  THIS ONE ANYWAY!

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Mind you Im no fan of Rush Limbaugh , But I'll Give Mitt Romney THIS ONE, Change .. THAT IS WHAT YORUE GONNA HVE LEFT IN YORU POCKET IF BARRACK OBAMA IS PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES...

And it is NOT Mitt Romneys Being a Mormom that turned me against Rush.
LImbaugh SUpports a Mormom, He has my blessings.
It is somethign Limbaugh said about Michael J FOx and Perkins Disease. My poppa saw HIS poppa suffer UNIMAGINABLY Because of Perkins Disease. I have not FOrgiven RUsh Because of that, at least not yet.
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.

Is there anything about him being
a devout Mormon that should
be considered when voters are
contemplating a candidate for President?

.

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http://yedda.com/questions/Mormonism_Mike_Huckabees_race_1865140046112/


Heres one viewpoint.

Go to google Serach engine enter "Mitt Romney, Mormonism and the Presidential Race"

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   I would be interested in knowing if A Romantic Heart's thoughts have been affected one way or another by this discussion?  What parts of the original information does she still understand to be accurate?  Does she believe that somebody has been distorting the truth and attempting to dupe her, either in the original posting or in some of the reactions that have come later?

     Mostly, I'd like to thank her for having the courage to bring these bits of data (though I believe much or all  of it to be misinformation) to the site's attention.  I think it takes courage in a forum where you know that everybody may not agree with you.  How can we, all of us, check out the facts of this in a way that we find believable.  No matter what our emotional reactions, there ought to be some mutually congenial way of finding out the facts.

     What are the pieces of truth about which we are disagreeing here?  I mean, what are they, EXACTLY?  If we can be clear enough about them, there ought to be sources of fact we can agree are authoritative.  So what EXACTLY are our points of disagreement?    

     As the person who was initially upset enough to bring the subject up, I'd like to suggest A Romantic' Heart is most qualified to take the first shot at saying which points in the report she finds most disturbing.  Rather than calling her names, why not simply find a place that we all agree offers a good source of facts, and check these reports out.  I doubt that a Romantic Heart sees herself as a racist; and calling her one seems only to drive her from the conversation.  I believe her fear is honest; and though I disagree it's likely to have a realistic basis, to deal with A Romantic Heart respectfully requires a point by point evaluation.  I would expect the same, were the situation reversed, as I hope most of us would.  

     If I'm wrong, I'm fully prepared to say to A Romantic Heart where and how I was wrong, and to attempt to repair any strain between us as best I can.  We're writers, after all; banging heads against blank pages is painful enough without turning potential allies against us without at least a good attempt to check out the reality of the situation.  We , or at least one or two of us—Ben?—
have been trying to do this, but we need A Romantic Heart's help if we're going to actually address her problems with Obama; not, by the way, my first choice.

     Anyway, I'm not entirely sure I know anybody who doesn't have some sort of race issues on some level; the point is not whether we have them, but whether we let them run our lives and prevent our making connections with people from other cultures.

Any thoughts, folks?  Affectionately, BobK.
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I'd just like to go on record that I would like advance notice in the event that people start burning witches. Again.

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Dear Serenity Blaze,

         No burning intended by me.

          If you remember, similar e-mails were circulated about Republican candidates during the South Carolina Primary during the last election cycle, and they were smears as well.  I believe you were a victim of the same sort of thing here and were taken in.  That's not your fault.  There's somebody sending these things out on purpose, and they know exactly which buttons to push.

     If you can help unwind the distortions, you'll be doing the whole election process a favor, I believe.  But if you're feeling a bit taken aback by the response, I'm sorry.  The response, I think, was to the contents of the message and not to the well meaning lady who thought she was trying to warn her friends.

     If there are witches here, I mean actual evil, Serenity, think about the people who set you up to take this particular fall and now leave you bewildered and too nervous to check with your friends to see what the truth is.  That's pretty evil to my mind.  What have you done but try to help and warn out of what seemed (and may still seem) like legitimate concern for your community?

Thanks for even having the courage to respond to my posting.  Maybe we can all find out some truth together here.  Writers like truth, don't we, even when we're not sure what it is and even when we disagree about it?

Bedst to everybody, BobK.  
 
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