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Who is Barack Obama?

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matronmedusa
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75 posted 03-12-2008 10:41 AM       View Profile for matronmedusa   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for matronmedusa

For a nation of people that are supposed to be tolerant of religious differences; I've not seen much evidence of this at all.

In my opinion, it is all too often about religion and not enough about politics....ironically, they go hand in hand; which is why I despise both.  

Throughout history, the churches have been the primary power; they have threatened, beaten, slaughtered, and finally bred us into their geographical religion. And now, though we have a "democracy,"  it seems as though it is still dicatated by faith.  The church has been a very powerful and unrelenting force in every society, no matter what religion, since the dawn of civilization as we know it.  The laws of the churches and temples were the laws that the kings and emperors were sworn into---In order to be king; you had to obey the church.  

I don't care what religion or policies are chosen to be implemented; it is control of the masses none-the-less.

There never should have been a few to decide the fates of many; whether they are religious choices or political ones.

Many will claim that without law and order, there would be anarchy and chaos, when in fact it is man’s law and need for control that have created the chaos we are in now.  If you don’t think we are in a state of chaos, just watch the news for one night.  That’s all you see; and yet, we have so many laws, rules, and regulations, that you would think we had been working all this time to prevent just this sort of turmoil (where as, I feel it was implemented TO encourage this turmoil; why else would you need their solutions?).  Society in general should be proof that man’s laws do not make life happier or safer, and they certainly do not prevent turmoil.  In fact, the very act of trying to control that which you have no control over initiates turmoil and chaos.  

We separate our faith and divide our perspectives.  We depend too heavily on popular notion and too little on ourselves for making our own decisions.  We have given control to the churches to decide our faith for us.  We have given control to our government to decide what is right or wrong.  We have given control to our neighbors to decide if we are just individuals.  We keep giving control instead of taking control of our own lives and actions.  We have conditioned ourselves further into corruption, and there IS a breaking point.

I welcome armeggedon; personally, I think we could use a clean slate.

“Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of much more value then they?” And yet here we are....forced to work to earn money to buy food and water; the most basic necessities for survival; when it is all here for us to begin with. Just another method to keep you distracted...

And Christ said, “Do not lay down any rules beyond what I appointed you, and do not give a law like the lawgiver lest you be constrained by it.”
Whoa!  Did I get a little off track here?  I apologize....just rambling thoughts....
  

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76 posted 03-18-2008 06:50 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Has anyone's mind changed
on Obama?


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nakdthoughts
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77 posted 03-18-2008 08:58 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

I know the media is trying to change peoples minds this week...
Huan Yi
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78 posted 03-19-2008 09:36 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Twenty plus years
in a racist church
and I'm suposed to ignore that
and still believe
he walks on Lake Michigan.

Please.


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Bob K
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79 posted 03-20-2008 04:24 AM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K

Dear Huan Yi,

           Why would you ignore it?  

     My question for you would be, what perspective do you place it in in relation to Senator Clinton's apparently odd religious connections with a prayer group and bible study class since 1993 or 94 and Senator McCain's propensity for cozying up to odd spiritual advisors as  well in what seems to be a bid to court the Christian extreme right?

     My sense is with each of them is that we look into the details as best we can and come to the best overall call we can.  If I was looking for unblemished, I wouldn't even be able to talk to myself.  These are all folks I have a decent amount of respect for, though I'm probably most interested in Obama myself right now.  I have always respected McCain.  I'm sad Colin Powell isn't running on the Republican ticket, myself, because I don't think he would have switched his position on torture under political pressure and I have enormous respect for him as well.

     The whole spectrum of candidates is imperfect Huan Yi; why are you so upset about this one in particular?

     I've got to be out of town, by the way, starting tomorrow evening for a while. I may have a chance to see your replies (everybody, and Huan Yi) tomorrow, but may not have a chance to reply for a week or so.  Looking forward to being back.  Best to everyone, BobK.
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80 posted 03-20-2008 02:12 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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"Senator Clinton's apparently odd religious connections with a prayer group and bible study class since 1993 or 94 and Senator McCain's propensity for cozying up to odd spiritual advisors as  well in what seems to be a bid to court the Christian extreme right?"

More detail please.
Are they racist?

“To equate what I said with what this racist bigot has said from the pulpit is unbelievable,” Ferraro told the Los Angeles newspaper, The Daily Breeze, on Wednesday. “He gave a very good speech on race relations, but he did not address the fact that this man is up there spewing hatred.””

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[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (03-20-2008 04:30 PM).]

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81 posted 03-20-2008 05:39 PM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K

Dear Huan Yi,
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/rod_parsleys_free_pass_1.php?page=all
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82 posted 03-20-2008 06:04 PM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K

Dear Huan Yi,

     I couldn't include this with the other, but here's some more about McCain's guy Parsley, who's apparently anti-islam (not anti-islamic extremists, anybody , and the entire religion).
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

     McCain's also sought the support of Haggee, the Texas anti-Catholic preacher, but to his credit, McCain backed off on supporting that part of the guy's religious stance.  Perhaps he'll do the same on Rod Parsley as well.

     Tell me, though, how racist do you think these folks can afford to be as President, any of them.  McCain can't be all that thrilled with oriental folk, though he's apparently worked to normalize relations with the vietnamese.  If Obama and Clinton are Christian, I can't see them as really hot to start a war with the Jews or the Muslims.  If Obama is Black, what do you think he's about to do to whites?  

     For myself, I'm worried about class and caste quarrels.  I think those are the lines along which we usually tend to split, and money is frequently the marker of those divisions.  We have to learn to start to think like a country again and not like members of or aspirants to a particular caste or class.  Otherwise we're in serious trouble.  More serious trouble, I should say.

     Best, BobK.  
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83 posted 03-21-2008 09:24 AM       View Profile for A Romantic Heart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for A Romantic Heart

This post was to inform, to find out if anyone else had found this in their emails, and to find out what they thought of it?

The header of the email was exactly the way I posted it, I just copied and pasted from my email.
The email header was "Who Is Barack Obama"?

My spam filter didn't catch it...

I was curious to know how and where these types of emails get started, is it coming from the Clinton Camp? the McCain Camp?
or just voters who support one or the other?

I am not raceist....
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84 posted 03-21-2008 09:30 AM       View Profile for A Romantic Heart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for A Romantic Heart

I rented "Sicko" this week, I think before anyone votes, they should watch this Documentary about healthcare in America!
Misty Lilacs
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85 posted 03-21-2008 10:43 AM       View Profile for Misty Lilacs   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Misty Lilacs

Obama is a young, fresh face with fresh ideas. He can do no worse than George W.
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86 posted 03-21-2008 01:31 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

"Who is Barach Obama?"  I think considering the amount of young people voting this time in the United States, Barack Obama could very well just be your next President.  I for one, don't think that is all bad.   I have liked this young man since he became a senator, and followed him online ever since.  He has the "X-factor," and can learn those skills required of a GREAT President.  I don't envy anyone taking on this job, it is going to be one hellofva mess to clean up after Bush.  Good luck to you all with this election. If everyone can just get past all the political tactics used for mud-slinging, and pick the right person for the job, it won't be long until things turn around.  
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87 posted 03-21-2008 08:03 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I've learned this week that there is something called Black Liberation Theology, and that Obama sat under that theology for 20 years. Essentially it replaces Christ and His love and grace extended to ALL with a Christ who extends His love to, and fights only for the cause of, the "oppressed"/"black person", against the "oppressor"/"white enemy", and is primarily concerned with temporal issues here on earth, including righting supposed/perceived social and political injustices, etc., as opposed to a focus on the redemption and love found in Christ which leads to virtuous living, despite the pain and travail of living in a sinful world, and a joyful awaiting of the afterlife where all wrong will be made right. Adherents of Black Liberation Theology make God in their own image, at the expense of the All loving, All Sovereign Creator of the Universe, creating a spirit of divisiveness and marinating themselves in bigotry and hatred.

When his association with this pastor came to light, Obama tried to dance around the issue (by lying and saying he never heard the pastor utter the vile remarks on the tapes), and then when he realized he couldn't dance around it (because it just wasn't believable), he decided to give a "race relations" speech, essentially attempting to turn the tables to deflect the attention away from himself, denouncing his pastor's rantings, yet asking for understanding of his pastor's background and life experiences, that led to those rantings. And then after throwing his white granny under the bus by revealing that she feared young black men whom she didn't know that passed her on the street (even Jesse Jackson admitted as much), trying to draw a comparison between granny's admission of fear, to Rev. Wright's hateful lunatic ravings, he then trys to mitigate his dissing of granny by saying he didn't mean to imply that she was a racist, that she was just a "typical white person" conditioned to feel that way. Can you imagine the outcry if a white person made such a statement about a black person, saying that he or she is just a "typical black person" conditioned a certain way?

Give me a break. This guy only needs to look in the mirror to see racism, and he isn't qualified to preach to anyone about it. Many of us are sick of the double standards and hypocrisy, the perpetual victim mentality, the absolute blindness to and lack of gratitude for the privileges made available in our society, often at the expense of fairness to non-minorities in the process, in a seemingly useless and misguided attempt to make reperations for slavery.

Slavery was not unique to America, it was virtually a universal practice. But I doubt many countries have done as much as America has done to attempt to right the wrongs of it. Will we ever hear any gratitude for these privileges, any appreciation that great strides have been made in our society for the attempted equalization of opportunities, and for the onging attempts to improve conditions, misguided though they seem to be? That would be refreshing.


Huan Yi
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88 posted 03-21-2008 08:42 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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“b) White guilt. Obama’s purpose in the speech was to put Wright’s outrages in context. By context, Obama means history. And by history, he means the history of white racism. Obama says, “We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country,” and then proceeds to do precisely that. And what lies at the end of his recital of the long train of white racial assaults from slavery to employment discrimination? Jeremiah Wright, of course.”

This contextual analysis of Wright’s venom, this extenuation of black hate speech as a product of white racism, is not new. It’s the Jesse Jackson politics of racial grievance, expressed in Ivy League diction and Harvard Law nuance. That’s why the speech made so many liberal commentators swoon: It bathed them in racial guilt, while flattering their intellectual pretensions. An unbeatable combination.

But Obama was supposed to be new. He flatters himself as a man of the future transcending the anger of the past as represented by his beloved pastor. Obama then waxes rhapsodic about the hope brought by the new consciousness of the young people in his campaign.”


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDAxYTk0OTIyZWQzMzEyMmVhZjM2ZWUwODU2ODgxM2I=


Personally as the son of Polish immigrants who were themselves
slaves from a country where one in five men, women, and children,
were murdered, I am sick of this second original sin that comes with
being “white” and  American citizenship.


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89 posted 03-21-2008 11:52 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

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My mom got that email too... and now her computer is fried.

I am not to worried about it.  secrets come out of the wood work like crazy.

-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

 
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