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Personal attack removed - Ron

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Personal attack removed - Ron

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to marge t - if i have given any offense to you personally or others i apologize regards zaj

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I know 5 Nobel laureates who made fool of themselves in their later years. Good Characters  can never be awarded from outside.
And being popular does not make an animal a human.

My thought on politics and everything else.


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Personal attack removed - Ron

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to tm - funny the three NOBEL LAUREATES  in literature i know and have correspondence with - according to you have something 'to look foward too' in their dottage - sometimes 'animals' including some humans - have to be 'put down' for the good of others politically speaking regards zaj

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XYZ may like a politician or may not. But To make up stories  to accuse him is wrong. It is called lie. It does not matter how many people said that or how many websites said that.

My friend has told me half decade ago the same thing about Hillary. When I asked her "is it true?". She and her husband both said, "I can show you many website."  No, I don't buy it just because it is in the net or in -printed form. (How many wrongly accused murders are there in Jails today?)

XYZ may brag about any merit shining on her . But she can never never brag that she got them on her own without any education and  talent from heaven. So, brag is an ungrateful  attitude. And when a frog is sitting at the bottom of a dry well, how big a sky it can see?  

NOBEL LAUREATES do not interest me. (too political)

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What an unfortunate turn to a productive discussion.

I actually miss living in the "Left" vs. "Right" world - Having positions laid out so neatly to adopt as my own, clearly delineating "us" and "them" ... but as we grow older and live a little, our litmus tests change and sometimes those litmus tests don't fall neatly into either "Left" or "Right" categories.

Could I vote for a Christian who is likely to gut programs people I care about need?  Would I vote for someone I disagree with on so many other personal and idealogical issues if their victory would more or less ensure those programs won't be gutted?

A guy at my church asked me once how, in good conscience, I could vote for someone who supports abortion rights (something this guy feels very, very strongly about).  I answered with the question, "How could you vote for someone, in good conscience, you know will promote public policy that will harm your child?"  I'd considered both questions.  He hadn't, which was kinda my point.

I guess what I've realized is that somebody suffers nomatter who wins.  Two things I like about Obama - he's smart and he's optimistic.  In my book, that's a good start.  Doesn't mean he has my vote ... it just means he hasn't lost it (yet).

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to tm + jb - there are absolutes even in this world - most of the 'stories' about HILLARY and her pretend-husband are unfortunately true/accurate/factual - i think it is amusing that yet another 'huckster' from hope arkansas in the form of 'hucklebuckle' is hiding behind his supposed christianity which commands "...all women should submit to their husbands..." the clintons both use use their 'christian card' when they have too to gain politically or economically the greatest felony i fault the 'REPUBLICANTS' for is not indicting the CLINTONS and their followers/accolytes for the sale of our nuclear/missile technology to the chinese and others for campaign conributions!  OBAMA  is certainly intelligent although his progressive/socialistic spiel is slightly annoying as 'socialism' has failed in every society/grouping of individuals where the racial component is not homogenious and subject to population growth of greater than 8% per annum![even these supposedly Nordic countries are undergoing severe strains due to the imposition of 'aliens' upon their cultures!] OBAMA is just the latest slick lawyer to come out of HARVARD accomplishing nothing in his own life or for the lives of others than to speak this SOCIALIST PALAVER and tell the 'masses' what they want to hear! [health care, welfare for all, no war unless deemed necessary by OBAMA against his step-father's homeland PAKHISTAN (talk about your pschobabble neurosis eh?!) and he wants to bring 'hope'  to everone! Ha! global warming could be simplified to too many people exhaling creating more CO2 that increases the temperature - don't run so much walk - what 'newspeak' ridiculousness! jb you want 'programs' that won't harm your children - don't live with them in a society and you'll have complete/absolute control - your analogies are i am sure to your way of thinking constructive/transcendant but have little basis in fact or reality. you are presented with choices of political parties/candidates - it is up to the individual to choose what he/she considers the more benign of those who wish to afflict us! regards zaj

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quote:
there are absolutes even in this world


I believe that there is absolute evil in this world.

  
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- most of the 'stories' about HILLARY and her pretend-husband are unfortunately true/accurate/factual

The deaths are true but Did Hillary kill them or hired someone killed them? Evidence? if we talk judicially.

  
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- i think it is amusing that yet another 'huckster' from hope arkansas in the form of 'hucklebuckle' is hiding behind his supposed christianity which commands "...all women should submit to their husbands..."


What is wrong when someone talks about his belief?

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the clintons both use use their 'christian card' when they have too to gain politically or economically


They have the right to say anything they want  but people all have brains to judge.  

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the greatest felony i fault the 'REPUBLICANTS' for is not indicting the CLINTONS and their followers/accolytes for the sale of our nuclear/missile technology to the chinese and others for campaign conributions!


Who trained Bin laden? US getting to China obviously is for targeting Russia. Don't you know this?


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OBAMA is just the latest slick lawyer to come out of HARVARD accomplishing nothing in his own life or for the lives of others than to speak this SOCIALIST PALAVER and tell the 'masses' what they want to hear! [health care, welfare for all, no war unless deemed necessary by OBAMA against his step-father's homeland PAKHISTAN


Evidence? Evidence?
(for your happiness, Johannes Stark has achieved much)

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and he wants to bring 'hope'  to everone! Ha! global warming could be simplified to too many people exhaling creating more CO2 that increases the temperature - don't run so much walk - what 'newspeak'


It is a scientific hypothesis. H1 or H0, all need to be talked scientifically with scientific evidence.

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jb you want 'programs' that won't harm your children - don't live with them in a society and you'll have complete/absolute control - your analogies are i am sure to your way of thinking constructive/transcendant but have little basis in fact or reality.


Are you still thinking that black people were slaves?

A policy that is not fair and does not take care of those under privileged ones needs to be changed or amended or modified. Talking does nothing  and negatively talking needs, I say  "shut up".

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you are presented with choices of political parties/candidates - it is up to the individual to choose what he/she considers the more benign of those who wish to afflict us!


You are right. But if one needs 100,000 signatures to present a Bill to get all sick children under some government benefit, will you sign your "well" "known" "big" "name"?

Tom
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Personal attack removed ... for the last time. I'm not here to babysit people unwilling to learn. - Ron

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you have answers about healthcare


What answer do you want about health care for children or for all?
It is purely a goodwill based on cost/benefit analysis. X wants tax money to go purchased 500 tons bomb to kill more.  Y wants  it on health care  and Z  wants to use the money to save stock market.

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why we are in IRAQ

Nobody knows since the information at the beginning is false. But Bin Laden is still free man.

Don't assuming. Politics is not fictional neither poetic.

Tom
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Zysk:

I don't dispute the existence of absolute or self-evident truths.  I just haven't found the chapter and verse in my Holy Book that prescribes an absolute standard for economic and social welfare policy.

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jb you want 'programs' that won't harm your children - don't live with them in a society and you'll have complete/absolute control


No, I think the oligarchs would have complete/absolute control.  Many programs have grown out of the concept of due process.  Are you suggesting we scrap that as well?

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to all and ron the moderator - oh ronnie why are some 'personal attacks' allowed and others censored? [Personal attack removed - Ron] ... do your 'job' and stop whining!

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Dear Zyskandar A. Jaimot,

                                  That last posting was painful.  Do you understand that?

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Job . . . done.
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Good!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o&feature=related


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I am officially proclaiming myself  a genius!  I smelled out where a thread like this would go and stayed out....brilliant!
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Why didn't you come out earlier to save your Florida friend?

Obama indeed has a very good chance to win. who knows if it is good or bad.

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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/01/media-expert-clinton-backer-crit icizes-08-race-press-coverage/


Now I'm no fan,
yet even I will admit
the woman's been getting
a raw deal . . .

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Obama is Fonda
in that both think
the problem with the world
is the United States of America . . .

McCain knows, (by virtue of
five and a half years), different . . .

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