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Who is Barack Obama?

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TomMark
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25 posted 01-20-2008 05:47 PM       View Profile for TomMark   Email TomMark   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for TomMark

"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes ' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.
This is what I believe.
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26 posted 01-20-2008 09:23 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

This particular ad hominem on Barack Obama is just as baseless as those individuals responsible for the attacks on John McCain prior to the GOP South Carolina primary this weekend, who accused McCain of being a traitor, when he certainly obviously is a military hero.

For well over a year now, certain pundits and activists have been trying to make his name an issue. Don Imus' producer Bernard McGuirk did just that for months, and even called his name a "Jew-hating name", and certainly such mud-slinging didn't negatively affect Obama's momentum. In fact, his campaign has been on the upswing in the months ever since that began to really happen.

Look, over a year ago John Vause of CNN and other sources confirmed that the school Obama attended in his young years was in fact NOT a Jakarta Wahhabi school whatsoever, but a public school accomodating of all faiths. And the fact that Insight Magazine first ran those "madrassa" accusations, declaring the sources to the story anonymous and saying none other than that they were "close to the background check" already severely damages any credibility of what has unfortunately become a recurrent spectacle in quite a few media circles, continuing to recycle already disproven logical fallacies.

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Look, it's easy to criticize and/or question Obama if he has the qualifications and experience that are often considered important for the presidency. While I appreciated Obama's honesty in answering the question at the Democratic candidates' most recent debate on what their main weakness was, where he said that he has never played an executive role and also has a propensity of losing his papers/being disorganized and needs to rely on staff to keep him organized, it still calls into question whether he's fully aware of just how great the responsibilities are in the top executive office in the land, and if being a visionary is ever really enough in leading a nation.

But these dirty tactics are quite pathetic, in my opinion, just as I thought the tactics some played on George W. Bush's military records or inarticulate manners of speech were/are.

So, who is Barack Obama, you say? We're all going to have various, differing answers on that question. What we do know, however, is that he is a member of the United Church of Christ, not what Insight and others have been suggesting.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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Atheists and Muslims and Radicals... oh my! What's the world coming to?

I'm probably alone in not really caring if he's atheist or Muslim... and probably equally alone in being a little offended by the rebuttal of "Hey! He sure is Christian! Leave him alone!" Because, it would be totally cool to knock him if he wasn't, right?
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Dear Hush,

         The smear is in the willful distortion of fact to the end of alienating one group or person from another.  It reverberates well past the initial piece of disinformation.  In fact, the content of the poison pill is not terribly relevant in many cases.  The fact the you would have a secondary upset with those who do care about denomination is a bonus for those who concocted the smear in the first place, since it further fragments and alienates the voting public and blinds them to their own interests, and discourages them from making useful alliances.  For example, those christians who may have feelings about somebody who is Muslim being elected (even if Obama is not a Muslim and the feelings might run contrary to the religious test clause and you feel  and I feel it's irrelevant anyway) and yet feel that torture is a strong issue on religious grounds making an alliance with folks who have similar feelings about torture and couldn't care less about the religious issue.  

     Any split like this is great for enemies of democracy, and this is why they are so quick to use tactics of this sort.  They work if we permit them to.  The person who dug out the facts on the madrassa issue was able to shed more light than heat.  The heat keeps us warm, which is useful, though we must be careful not to get so hot the engine freezes.  The light shows us the way we may travel.

   We need both, but perhaps the light a tiny bit more.  And no, it wouldn't be cool to knock him if he wasn't a Christian.  If you see that here, I'll register my anger too; but let's not get the original smear get up compounding the issue by smearing each other.
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29 posted 01-22-2008 01:55 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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“A great leader needs to take his lumps. But as long as you have grievance groupies like Al Sharpton accusing squirrels and end tables of racism, then it's impossible.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324566,00.html

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30 posted 01-22-2008 08:34 PM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K

Dear Huan Yi,

           I didn't understand the excerpt; I don't understand the man's statements either. The evade reason.

      I think, however, that what he's trying to say is that any charge of racism is as absurd as a patently spurious charge of racism, such as one that might be leveled at a squirrel or an end table.  All charges of racism, which Mr Gutfeld appears to feel are absurd, are therefore nonsense.  And the opprobrium that adheres to those who act or speak in such a fashion should not so adhere.


     Not all such charges are equally well founded.  Many such charges I believe are directed through misunderstanding or out of a malicious motivation of some sort.  There may be some justification for such behavior; I can't imagine it.  The benefit is sad, and petty and miserable, and should be unmasked, as appears to have been the case with the Duke Lacrosse team.  

     Actual racism deserves what it gets.  To attempt to explain away such real and wretched behavior with such superficial and confounding language does little service to the community.  Indeed, the community can regard itself as not so subtly poisoned by such appeals to the most unreasoning parts of ourselves.

     While I've suspected Mr Jefferson's relationship with a black woman since 1965, when I first saw a chess set carved at Montecello and at that time on display there that showed Mr. Jefferson as both White and Black Kings and with, I believe, Mrs Jefferson as the White Queen and a strikingly beautiful Black woman as the Black Queen, I had never been told that Mr. Jefferson was himself Black.  This is indeed striking new biographical information to me, and I would love to know the attribution of this.  Also James K. Polk.

     I've got to say, Huan Yi, I am totally puzzled by what you mean here in offering this link.  Sincerely scratching my head here in LA, BobK.
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31 posted 01-22-2008 08:43 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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I think, though with humor,
the central point is correct;
any critical view, as others
would be subject to, risks
the charge of racism.

“And if you disagree with me, . . .”

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32 posted 01-23-2008 04:05 AM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K

Dear Huan Yi,

                     Yes.  I think any honest discussion of racism does risk that charge.  I went to Simmons for social work school, and am proud of that; but there was discussion of race and racism that certainly got very heated.  The charge got chucked around, and on occasion in my direction.  I never enjoyed that.  The teachers were uniformly decent, though, and tried  not to let anybody dismiss anybody else, and that helped.

     I've found that the nature of these discussions, if I'm to have them honestly, is bound to have some pain involved for me.  I'm obligated (as a liberal, actually) to listen and to understand what the other person is saying, and to try to make sense out of it.  I don't have to agree, but if I don't leave myself open to the possibility that I'm wrong, then the discussion probably isn't an honest one on my part.  I don't have to demand the same from the other side, but it does help, doesn't it?  I do have to fail frequently, because I'm human.  I also need to keep returning until I feel I've got it right, even after repeated failures.

     I can't always afford my own ideals, but if I don't try, nobody's about to do it for me.

     So, the reason for having as painful a discussion with as painful and as difficult a downside as one on racism is
if I'm not willing to be a fool, why would I expect anybody else to put their dignity out there either.  So, John, that's the best I can do for now.  Somebody once told me that there was a midaeval convention for breaking off a letter.  I've never actually seen it used, but I've always been charmed at the thought.  My candle is guttering and the ink well is frozen. That's all for now.  BobK
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If Barack Obama is painted, for reasons
beyond his control, as the “black” candidate,
the Democrats will lose the election.

If Hilary Clinton is painted, for reasons
beyond her control, as the “ woman” candidate,
the Democrats will lose the election
if women fail to accept being a woman is
standing by her man despite his infidelity
to her.


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34 posted 02-06-2008 06:19 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Just what in detail
is this “change”
that Obama keeps
banging on about?

Also, ( and this is apropos
of an argument actually brought up
on National Review in a discussion
with Shelby Steele), is “white guilt”
a legitimate path to the presidency?


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Mr. OBAMA is a member of the UNITED CHURCH of CHRIST and his step-father was a PAKHISTANI - which leads to all sorts of 'Freudian/Yungian/Adlerian' analysis of why he wanted/wants to invade PAKHISTAN?! OBAMA was the editor of the HARVARD LAW REVIEW when he attended that law school. As far as his politics - OBAMA is 'liberal/progressive/socialist' with very little concept of the real world or how it does/does not work.

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As far as your 'worries'about HILLARY CLINTON or BARAK OBAMA - this scenario was envisaged by MASTER SHAKESPEARE in his play 'TITUS ANDRONICUS'[what i believe to be SHAKESPEARE's most modern and 'bloody' tale] wherin  MASTER SHAKESPEARE played-out 'TITUS ANDRONICUS' over 400 years ago - TEMORA 'the evil Goth queen' and AARON 'the Moore' combine forces to rape, cut off the arms+legs, tongue, gouge out the eyes of LAVINIA - AND NOW – ‘EVIL’ HILLARY and 'BARAK' OBAMA will join 'liberal lunatics' to eviscerate AMERICA in the same way TEMORA + AARON joined forces to ravish/quarter LAVINIA. IS SHAKESPEARE'S BLOODIEST PLAY A MESSAGE/PREDICTION AS TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO AMERICA??? TEMORA = ‘EVIL’ HILLARY   AARON = 'BARAK' OBAMA   LAVINIA = PROSTRATE AMERICA. AH DEMBHOLES REJOICE – IT IS YOUR CHANCE TO RUIN AMERICA!!! The HILLARY/OBAMA ticket/allegiance is assured of rolling over this nation. 'The Republicants' offer only token reistance to the 'socilaistic' masses who truly believe to have someone/anyone to pay for their lives of sloth/indolence and living off the public welfare.

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Umm... really? Seriously? Wow.
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot=Dad??
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i am a 'dad' 5 times over with three different wives - the last one in a 'terminal relationship' is it true what they say about intercourse [the position determining the 'sex' of the offspring?] my children now young ladies are all women/were grils with three of them having 'daughters' of their own --- if you were to 'analyze' me most probably the most fitting/applicable remark would be "...does not play well with others..." regards zaj

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to mistletoe angel + others:
as far as my reading of the necessary qualifications for becoming president of the UNITED STATES - there are two requisites 1) being of the proper age 2) having been 'born' in this country --- that's it!!! THE REST IS JUST PALABER & SPIN!!!

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to serenity blaze + others - having 'dated- what a quaint euphemism from the 50's/60's' several 'certified or certifiable women/girls' identifying themselves as witches including LAURIE CABOT-'the resident witch of SALEM, MA.' i would find it an inconvenience if 'witches' were burned or hung as they were in NAHANT, MA. and other places --- but then i could always wear "...asbestos pants-suits..." as does MS. HILLARY!!! Ha!

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I do make the most unusual friends...

*cracking up* <--REALLY, although, I'm not quitecertified

yet

lawsy
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Profanity removed - Ron

[This message has been edited by Ron (02-07-2008 02:40 PM).]

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to Jaimot:
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Who the hell are you yelling at?
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Profanity removed - Ron

[This message has been edited by Ron (02-07-2008 02:42 PM).]

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to sb - not 'yelling' at all - i would never 'yell' at a witch or incur her wrath. regards zaj

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Ah..all caps? That indicates "yelling" although I sometimes use it for emphasis.

You might want to clean up your language, inappropriate language isn't exactly welcomed here, except in certain Mature Content forums.

You might find that your opinions are more welcomed in a different tone as well.

Just a suggestion.
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zaj Apparently my polite subtle suggestion failed. Rants of name-calling and profanity fall on deaf ears usually, and aren't welcome here.
And I echo lady Serenity's comment, that ALL CAPS is generally perceived on the net as....yelling.
 
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