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Balladeer
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25 posted 12-03-2007 10:18 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

but after the response I�ve got in this thread I think I�ll just ignore anything I see in the future.

znd,as I have pointed out, that is because you did NOT use a ticket and preferred direct confrontation instead.

As Denise pointed out the bandwidth and server are Ron�s problems not ours and I�d advise all members to do the same,

Should you wish to continue the explanation that concern for bandwidth was what prompted your initiation of the thread, go ahead. you negated that possibility with your original comments. Hopefully the members will not follow your advice since the ticket program can be a very effective way to identify and resolve problems on the site. For those who would be so paranoid to believe they would be harrassed by doing so, the program is also set up to accept anonymous reports.

Thanks for the reference to the amount of replies in Teen. I will check with Ron and find out more about the workings of the search engines and the tools available to us to get more exact results.

If your figures are correct, that is indeed a problem that needs to be investigated and resolved....

....all of which could have been handled without the necessity of a personally-confrontational public thread.
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Should you wish to continue the explanation that concern for bandwidth was what prompted your initiation of the thread, go ahead. you negated that possibility with your original comments.


Mike,

I posted the question to give xx the opportunity to explain what he was doing, if hed replied with a reasonable explanation Id have apologised and that would have been an end to it. Unfortunately despite an invitation from me via email with a link to this thread he seemed to be too busy posting 5 posts a minute to explain his reasons, which he was still busy doing yesterday while this thread was in full swing.

My next step would have been to raise the issue with a Mod pointing out the possible bandwidth issues but as two arrived in the thread I thought the issue would be looked at, recognised for what it was, and resolved, I was wrong.

I was initially reluctant to raise the issue of bandwidth and post a blow by blow account of how to manually undertake a denial of service against this site for any disgruntled head-the-ball to implement, which is why its not mentioned in the first post.

I only did so after being dismissed and questioned by the moderators about my intent who repeatedly couldnt see any issue to resolve, so I explained my concerns. At the same time I posted numerous suggestions to move the thread to the moderator forum to minimise the head-the-ball issue.

Granted I could have logged a ticket but from the evidence so far in this thread I doubt anything would have been done about it apart from a moderator telling me they werent interested or that there wasnt a problem or that the problem was Rons or that there were only 86 replies.

I'll pass in future and leave it to the experts
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27 posted 12-03-2007 11:46 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I doubt anything would have been done about it apart from a moderator telling me they weren t interested or that there wasn t a problem or that the problem was Ron s or that there were only 86 replies.

Feel free to insult the administration if you like with your prejudgements but we take every ticket seriously. We don't tell anyone we are not interested. Ron also reads every ticket submitted and could have given his input on the validity of the search engine counts and perhaps has better ways we  are not aware of to come up with more exact figures. You did not even bother to try. You prefer to say you doubt we would have done anything as a  reason for your inaction, which is convenient for you and insulting to us.


If I didn t name xx how the heck would anyone know who I was talking about?

That's your reason for this thread. A ticket wouldn't do that. You wanted a public personal accusation for your "rant" (your word). Why was it important to you that everyone know exactly who you were referring to? The action should have been the issue....but it wasn't. Your irritation caused you to make sure everyone knew who you were referring to. That takes it out of the realm of "for the good of the site" and into personal confrontation and attack.

It wasn't the way to handle it.
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28 posted 12-03-2007 12:37 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

quote:
We don't tell anyone we are not interested


quote:
You prefer to say you doubt we would have done anything as a reason for your inaction, which is convenient for you and insulting to us.


I based my comments on the evidence in this thread Mike.

Denise said:
quote:
Why would I email xx? I'm not the one who was annoyed by the replies. No, I'm not particulary interested in the reasons for anyone's style of replying. To each his own. I don't think it is any of my business.


She also said that the bandwidth was Rons problem and you said that youd looked into it and there were only 86 posts which wasnt a problem.

I know the Mods do a good job on the whole Mike, my criticism was aimed at the system rather than those involved in managing it. Look at the evidence Mike its taken 25 posts in this thread for you to even accept that there may be a problem, do you really believe that one inappropriate content ticket would have got the issue resolved any quicker?

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It wasn't the way to handle it.


Perhaps not but its the way I chose to handle it, you raised your concern earlier in the thread, I took onboard your comments and emailed the poet with an apology. You can keep whipping that particular dead horse if you like Mike but I cant understand what you expect to gain from it - Im fresh out of apologies.

Im off for a nap now, all this typing is making me tired,   Ill leave this post and the issues for you to deal with as you see fit.
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29 posted 12-03-2007 01:59 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

do you really believe that one �inappropriate content� ticket would have got the issue resolved any quicker?

yep...and I agree that nothing more can be  resolved here. As I mentioned way back when you're a decent fellow, burr under saddle notwithstanding ,  and we simply have a disagreement on how a particular situation should have been handled. I hold you in the same high regard I always have.

Who knows? This thread may possibly serve as a means of letting people know that the ticket system exists and to give it a try when situations arise....and I plan to continue investigating this particular situation and will resolve it in some way
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30 posted 12-03-2007 02:14 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


Thank you for your time Mike and burr-ing with me.

Now back to my nap..
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31 posted 12-03-2007 05:33 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


Mike,

Dont worry this isnt a rant, the reason your search didnt pick up the posts isnt because the index hasnt been run as I suggested (though that might affect the results in other forums) its because only the originating post is indexed in archived forums. Regardless when the indexing ran the replies in any archive forum wouldnt show on the search engine results.

I dont know how useful that is but I thought Id let you know.

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32 posted 12-03-2007 08:21 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Actually, Grinch, this is what I said:

"Bandwidth issues are Ron's business, not mine. If there is a problem with it, we will hear about it."

That doesn't mean that I think it's his "problem" and something that I couldn't care less about, which seems to be the impression that you took from my statement. It means that technical issues like that are his field of expertise and if he needs to let us know that there is a problem, he will let us know, as he did in the past about posts with too large or too many pictures or smilies. And I can only assume that if no bandwidth red flags were going up, then there wasn't a problem to be concerned about in that regard.

And Pete, I didn't have a problem with Grinch complaining, that's why we have the Alley. My only issue was with the mentioning of a specific person in the complaint, that's all.

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33 posted 12-04-2007 08:15 AM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

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It is perfectly acceptable - desirable - to help your fellow Passions Members fulfill their reasons for being here. Just don't be surprised, confused, or offended to discover they may not be here for the same reason you are.(Ron)


I think that applies.

I've gotten the "enjoyed". I've also gotten digressive personal essays, complete re-writes of my poetry, & the occasional fee free psychoanalysis for replies. It's all good, except for the stalkers. Even poets can attract overzealous fans who want to "eat your words off your body." (The poem was about my grandmother who had just passed away!)  

One word or 5000, hey...it's their keystroke.
Different strokes for different folks?

though you have a point about generically generated type replies, I'm not sure how it could be logically resolved? Control is control, and if "enjoyed" is gigged as a no no, then other "super" one-word wonder wanderers will be in question and the person/s could simply spice up their replies with "highly enjoyed or truly enjoyed." and nothing is really changed.

So, if I had to think of one word to describe your original post, it would be: Uptight.

Loosen up, Mr. Grinch. It's almost Christmas.

Here's a Whohug
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34 posted 12-04-2007 09:04 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Bump.
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35 posted 12-04-2007 09:52 AM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

Rwood

Whos complaining about one word replies?

I couldnt give a flying fig for one word replies, my complaint is that it seems that one member is systematically opening posts one after the other and pasting a reply, the fact that the pasted reply is one word is irrelevant.

Can I explain it in simple terms?

Sure:

Heres how you do it, go to the last page in the Open Forum, start at the oldest poem posted, open it and paste in your required reply (dont read the poem youre working against the clock to get as many replies posted as possible). Once thats done go to the next oldest and repeat the process (hurry up remember time is important). Keep repeating the process for an hour or so and watch your number of posts soar, youll be a member conquistador within a couple of days.

How quick can you post?

Well so far the world record seems to be 12 seconds per cut and paste, the world record holder repeats this amazing feat daily in the teen archive, check it out in the link I posted.

Are there any downsides to this?

Yes, apart from the fact that people like Mike are led to believe the poster actually read their poem its also an abuse of the member status  scheme. Then theres the problem of all the replies being bumped to the top, if you do the same in open you  could knock the most recent post from the top down to 21st in the list in around 4 minutes. 4 minutes later itll be at 41st and 4 minutes later 61st, as this is going on for extended periods the new post will be lost in the flood before tea-time.

Cant we just ignore it?

Yes, a single poster is restricted to 5 posts per minute and their available time to cut and paste and as long as they restrict their posting to Teen Archive the only downside is disc space usage and the length of the Todays topics page which slows down user access. However if it is ignored or considered acceptable and two or three people start doing the same thing in Open, adding a graphic and a couple of smilies the site will become unusable quicker than you can say uptight, not to mention the additional cost in bandwidth to the owner and users (the post and smilies cost the owner and the graphics cost me and you in reduced page loading).

Is that really likely to happen?

Your guess is as good as mine but as its happening with one member as I type theres no reason to think it wont be repeated by others unless something is said or done.


quote:
So, if I had to think of one word to describe your original post, it would be: Uptight.


I dont mind being called names and taking abuse if thats the cost of raising this issue, which it seems to be, so give it your best shot, youll have to excuse me if I dont reply in kind though, I dont think itd add anything to the conversation.

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No Hush.

This is how you do it!

Bump.
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No Hush.

This is how you do it!

Bump.
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No Hush.

This is how you do it!

Bump.
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No Hush.

This is how you do it!

Bump.
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No Hush.

This is how you do it!

Bump.
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No Hush.

This is how you do it!

Bump.
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42 posted 12-04-2007 10:03 AM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

Can you see the reply times on my posts?

I managed 5 posts a minute cutting and pasting as fast as I could with no time for reading.

If you go to Teen 3 youll see the same results like the examples above all posted by the same person with the same reply.

http://piptalk.com/main/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Teen+Poetry+|NMB| 3&number=36&type=m
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Grinch

If posting a lot and taking up more space is a problem, what about these members:

Member        Posts

XXXXX         60,704
XXXXX         43,349
XXXXX         41,874
XXXXX         37,616

et cetera


        

Of course, they didn't post in such a way.  But the effect is still is a lot bigger.  

I think the problem here is more about the lack quality and lack of respect shown by this kind of posting.  There is no way we may believe anyone may read a poem that quickly, carefully, let alone carefully consider a reply.


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Ess,

Youre right - sort of.

Every post and every reply has a cost however thats normally spread out over a long period of time not condensed into a few hours. There are limits that the software and hardware can deal with, increase the number of replies over a short time and the forum needs archiving that much sooner, not to mention that it has to render more to create a page view of the recent replies. That increase in size is also an increase in bandwidth costs when it delivers to the end user, we arent talking massive increases but at the moment it all has to be paid for by Ron adding to it just to change your membership status seems a little unfair.

Theres a possibility looming that this site will become too popular for Rons financial good, hell need to balance the number of members and posts against usability and cost. At that point the options are to close the site to new members or reduce the throughput, I dont think its reasonable to hasten the necessity of that just to get your number of posts up.

Im sure if anyone thinks that that the total number of posts is that important and they ask Ron nicely enough hell add a few thousand  if you promise not to abuse the posting system.

But I wouldnt hold your breath.
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Reminding some people that Ron IS the owner and maintainer of this site ... if HE is worried about what someone feels are a few overzealous posts .. I have complete faith in him that he could/and would put a stop to it~

It's not like he doesn't tidy up in here EVERY DAY !

Also a small reminder that assumptions are just that~
We could have NO IDEA what any persons idea is in posting ... quickly, slowly or otherwise~

Sometimes, short and concise is nice~
Have a beautiful day ... now let's all go read and REPLY to some poetry~

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Then ... let's do it again~
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47 posted 12-04-2007 02:06 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


Marge,

Shouldnt that be:

Again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

There is a record to aim for after all - 5 replies a minute.  
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quote:
I think the problem here is more about the lack quality and lack of respect shown by this kind of posting.  There is no way we may believe anyone may read a poem that quickly, carefully, let alone carefully consider a reply.

Just thought that was worth repeating. There is the whole problem in a sentence or two. Bandwidth is really a minor concern and I'm sure Ron will take care of that if needed. Disregard for respect and courtesy are what is wrong.

Grinch, you're flatulating into a stiff breeze here. Apparently the majority approve such insincere and bogus comments, even when numbering in the hundreds.
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49 posted 12-04-2007 02:56 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


Pete,

Seems that way.

I was clutching the forlorn hope that they were confusing single word replies (which I dont have a problem with) with posting hundreds of posts for no reason other than increasing the total number of posts, which is what I was talking about.

Maybe the old adage is correct - if you cant beat them join them.

I surrender guys - I now think its ok to cut and paste replies without reading the post, in fact Im thinking of making an attempt on the record myself in open - would anyone consider sponsoring me?

By the way, Christmas is still cancelled.

Happy posting
 
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