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50 posted 11-04-2007 02:38 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Tom, I absolutely agree it's not easy at all for women, even today, to come particularly far in politics.

I for one believe that this nation is certainly ready for a woman president. I truly believe that. And I'm not disapproving of the thought of Hillary Clinton being elected the 44th President of the United States BECAUSE she's a woman whatsoever. I disapprove of the thought of her being elected BECAUSE she's too flawed as a candidate.

Also, while I'm glad women are finally being represented into other professions such as House Majority Leader also, I also wish the first woman to represent that role could have been someone other than Nancy Pelosi.

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Mind you I certainly believe most other politicians do most of what she does as well. I'm opposed to Mitt Romney and John McCain being elected president for the exact same thing; both those GOP hopefuls are opportunistic, calculating and fatally inconsistent in their views just as Hillary is. In fact, I have no intention of voting for either of the four current GOP front-runners, where Fred Thompson certainly strikes me as though his heart isn't even in the race and hasn't explained WHY he's running either, while I've grown very leary of Rudy Giuliani because he's cozied up to many of the neoconservative hawks, including Norman Podhoretz, who are now helping manage his presidential campaign.

My favorite Democratic candidate currently is Bill Richardson (Christopher Dodd a close second) with my favorite GOP candidate Ron Paul (Mike Huckabee a fairly distant second)

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"Oh My   This does sound eerily famiar -- like -- Bush-Cheny.  But, we know there was only really one President there.  Eh? "


There'll be no doubt with the Clintons.
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.

“Oh My    This does sound eerily famiar -- like -- Bush-Cheny.  But, we know there was only really one President there.  Eh?”

There will be no doubt
with the Clintons . . .

How is it with 300 million people
we can't come up with better choices?

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Because I'm already busy?

More seriously, I'm beginning to suspect that anyone who is smart enough to run the country is also smart enough to NOT put themselves into the line of fire. The American public, be it Mike on one side or Noah on the other, is merciless. What person in their right mind would volunteer to read a thread like this one about themselves?


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54 posted 11-05-2007 12:17 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Ron, please don't call Noah merciless. He means well
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Dear Noah, I am glad to read your words and you are such a open minded young man.

I may not dislike Hillery, but I do not want a woman president. I do not want woman to be the  leader in this country, whoever she is. As for Hillary, She can be a club leader but not president. She has very practical skill to get something but her thought of a country (or a society)  may be too ideal.

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"What person in their right mind would volunteer to read a thread like this one about themselves?"

Polititians are professionally trained to handle throwing eggs and pies and tomatos and dirty words.  They are not at all as sentimentle as  as poets, I believe.   you are too kind!!! which made me think that you might have voted for both party at the same time to show your mercy..

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And Dear Sir Balladeer, you are a republican as I can tell by what you have posted. sound like Ann Coulter and Pat Roberson.

Two years ago, I met a young freshman who firmly claimed that he was a republican. I asked him if he chose this party because its value or because his parents. He said both. His mother was a Republican and he did not want big government and he did not want large tax.

so is there a parental influence on you to become a Republican?

My children (three) are all the only one or two in their class ( out of 23 students) to vote for John Kerry in Kids-vote in St.louis where most are Republicans. They were only first and third grade students. how could they know whom they were going to vote? I told my children that both of them were not good but Kerry at lease  had the gut to go to Vietnam and they shall not be afraid of being the only one.  The third grade teacher when ask students to do report on American presidents, did not know that there was a Biography for Trumen and ask my child to show the book to her. Again, my child was the only one who wrote about a president in Democretic party in his class.

Is American serious about the political party or is it merely a family thing? esp to Republicans?
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"...but I do not want a woman president. I do not want woman to be the  leader in this country, whoever she is.."

*groan*

Do I even want to go there?  

"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
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59 posted 11-05-2007 02:54 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Tom, you raise an interesting point regarding how political affliation often seems to be hereditary just like ones cholesterol levels, eye and hair color, facial structure and possible health concerns, LOL.

From my experience, I think often that is the case, because the parents of many tend to preach to their children what is right and wrong in their view, and those perceptions tend to rub off on them and influence their way of thinking at least to some extent throughout their lives.

The rest of my family are registered Democrats, whereas I am the lone registered Independent. They have long told me how they are distrusting of the GOP establishment and believe they're out of touch with the middle class and all, and they add that while they have their beef with the Democratic Party also and all (citing particularly their views on immigration) they argue their voting records at least run close enough to their views so they decide to register under that party affliation.

But in my view, I find tethering yourself to one particular party is irresponsible to a great extent, as what's also important to note is that my grandparents, in contrast to my parents, are rather independently-minded when it comes to voting. They have voted for Republicans often in the past (they voted for consecutive Republican presidents between 1976 and 2000) but voted for John Kerry in 2004 out of protest with the Bush Administration and have said they're considering voting for another Democrat in 2008 as they believe the GOP has lost their way themselves. And my grandparents are much more conservative in their views.

So, in a sense, I think I'm somewhere between my grandparents and my parents politically-speaking. Overall I agree with what my parents argue aout the current GOP establishment's leadership, but all the same I disagree with them on that it's any good to just align with the Democratic Party in protest, rather than profess your independence as a voter, as if we don't make that message clear that many Americans are disenchanted with this rigid two-party system, then it'll remain assumed there's really no weariness toward this constant migraine of a system we have. It's in that respect I agree more with my grandparents, who vote more based on the candidates (as I believe that's how Americans should be voting anyway)

I'm an Independent who happens to believe in some values that are deemed "conservative" under traditional definition, including the notions of limited government, state rights, fiscal responsibility and that change isn't all bad but it must come naturally rather than be spontaneous, as well as believe in some values that are considered "liberal" under traditional definition, particularly limitations on the power of government, the free exchange of ideas and individual rights. But ultimately, I believe such labels are irresponsible and fail to make justice of how we're all unique and individualistic as Americans, and I'm disinclined to stand rank-in-file with any particular party for that reason, as well as my belief that both parties are failing this country in certain respects.

Sincerely,
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quote:
"...but I do not want a woman president. I do not want woman to be the  leader in this country, whoever she is.."


“*groan*

Do I even want to go there? “


I will.


TomMark~

Why do you need to be led, exclusively, by a male?

Not that Hillary is an ideal candidate, regardless of whether she wears boxers or panties, but sex shouldn’t be an issue of Today. America needs a quality leader with quality traits, and hopefully one so deemed and teeming with them that the PERSON will quash any and all actions/attitudes that feed inequality.
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Thank you Noah. You are a very smart young man. You do have a very clear view of both parties.

But none of the parties and polititians has a mind as clean as yours. I see that you take politics very seriously...You know that the fight and dirt is  more than that in a football field, right?  

I read through many of  your posts.... You have lots of information on many issues of this country. You must have a big heart for the contry and society.  

Thank you again Noah and wish you well of your health.
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Dear rwood, Hillary is way too "sly".  And is  American (The Hill)ready to work with a woman president?

woman, when gets so far, is stone hearted on  many issues...tough.  not good. I have felt errily Whenever I see a woman talking so loudly in public, esp in politics.  

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Thanks, Tom!

I've always cared very much about the world I live in, though I admit I was rather apolitical prior to 2003. My parents, in contrast, were very angry in late 2000 when they believed the Supreme Court handed over the presidency to George W. Bush, while at the time I was crossed my arms and thinking "Whatever, virtually all politicians are dishonest anyway!"

But the build-up to the war in Iraq is what got me actively paying attention to the political shape of things. I kept quiet during the build-up to the invasion of Afghanistan because, after all, that made absolute sense as that truly was where al-Qaeda sympathizers were stationed, responsible in part for the attacks on 9/11. But I vocally protested the war in Iraq because I read that none of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers came from Iraq, nor did the nation strike me as one that could attack us, regardless of how brutal their dictator was. It just didn't make sense to me and, because I was raised believing fighting fire with fire almost always scatters the flames elsewhere, and believing interventionism should only be done so as a certain last resort and when the threat is undeniable and ever-looming, and not for other purposes such as geopolitical intents and nation-building.

Since 2003, yes, I believe it is my obligatory role as an American citizen who also cares about the world to speak my heart and mind openly, and while I believe politics is one of the worst proverbial diseases on this planet, there are a few things even worse than that such as war, pestilence, terrorism, genocide, etc., and ultimately, ironically, it is politics that puts the pressure, as well as the human face and awareness, on such tragedies.

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And thanks Tom for thinking about my health as well. Though the recovery from my eating disorder is still happening and has been too slow, it's been a gradual recovery nonetheless.

In fact, I will be featured in a forthcoming article about orthorexia (being coined as the latest mass eating disorder, termed as a turn of phrase from anorexia where, unlike the latter, orthoretics love food IF it is natural and free of synthetics and cyclamates) and will share the link in Announcements and Links when it is finalized, as I believe it is crucial to break the silence about this fast-growing concern.

Thanks again, Tom!

Sincerely,
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TomMark,

Golda Meir


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Sit Huan, her words,

• At work, you think of the children you've left at home. At home, you think of the work you've left unfinished. Such a struggle is unleashed within yourself, your heart is rent.

• I can honestly say that I was never affected by the question of the success of an undertaking. If I felt it was the right thing to do, I was for it regardless of the possible outcome.

• We have always said that in our war with the Arabs we had a secret weapon—no alternative.

• The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight. 1969

• It’s no accident many accuse me of conducting public affairs with my heart instead of my head. Well, what if I do? … Those who don’t know how to weep with their whole heart don’t know how to laugh either. 1973

• Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil! 1973

• To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. 1974

and where is your poem?

Tomtoo  
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Thank you Noah again.  

Take good care of yourself.

you have you views and your opinions. then you have your dream of a society. Someday, you   may wnat to fight in political field...
Good Health shall be the  first thing.

you may drill yourself with Sir Balladeer.

Thank you again, Noah.

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Thanks, Tom, but I have no aspirations whatsoever right now in terms of a political career or something along that line.

What fascinates me, rather, is volunteering in the community and being the change you want to see in the world on a local level, particularly through my appreciation of the arts and humanities. It's through the creative arts and special education field I'd like to see myself headed in terms of a career/lifestyle.

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I ain't going to drill myself with anyone here either, LOL! While Michael and I, for instance, have our divides on a host of issues, and it is in my belief that he tends to speak like a spokesperson for the Bush Administration or the chairman of the Republican National Committee ANY time the president or the GOP leadership is set in a defensive or unflattering light, where he dismisses such a scenario as an offensive led by the Democratic leadership and MoveOn and George Soros EVERY time........I ALSO believe Michael means well, and the fact is we too meet on some levels (read some of the immigration-themed topics, for instance, where our agreement is most notable)

You have every right to question his views (I urge you also not to hesitate criticizing me or anyone for that matter either when you're in disagreement with me) if you wish, but I must say I have gotten to know a lot about our friend Michael for almost six years now here, and when I read his thoughtful, emotive poems often, I see that he is a most genuine, compassionate and sensitive individual with a warm sense of humor and well-intended dry wit who, yes, also possesses the power of conviction, and while I have often disagreed with some of his views, sometimes frustrated even to where I'm shaking my head, it doesn't at all diminish my belief he is a good friend to this community, and to me.

Make no mistake that I'm fierce with my convictions as well, and won't back down in the face of pressure to what I believe verbally. But when I forcedly speak my disagreements toward others here, I also always make an effort not to let ego get in the way of them (I struggled more with that when I first posted here, and believe I have went a long way and matured since then, with more maturing yet to experience) and try and disgrace the individual. I find that mode of debating tragic and uncivil, and believe the purpose of debate is to educate most of all, to come to clearer terms from where one another is coming from, and only in treating each other as equals can we succeed in doing just that.

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Ah, my dear Noah, you are so very a decent young man.. above your age.  I am very moved.  Sir balladeer must be very happy to read this.

You are very right about Sir Balladeer. I know that Sir Balladeer is a very good man by what he has posted. And he has every right to have his own opinions and choice on everything. (Since he is old enough to do so   .  He has been to WW2, I believe). And sometimes I talk to him in a humous way to make this "old" man a bit laugh...only if he got it   Trust me, I love him too.

Thank you Noah again for the writing.

I am glad that you are so invloed in community  service. As a smart and sensitive and kind man, I believe that very soon, you will find that there are issues here and there and you will find that it is the policy...need to be reformed...then you have to have the power to change it...then the office.  

But dear Noah, no doubt that you are a marvelous young man. It is wonderuful to know you and talk to you.

Thank you again, Noah.

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Dear rwood, Hillary is way too "sly".  And is  American (The Hill)ready to work with a woman president?


“The Hill” doesn’t choose who they work with. THE PEOPLE DO.

The way I see it: “The Hill” as a Hole/Whole isn’t working for anyone but themselves right now. The handful of people that are trying to do good UP on The Hill can’t get squat done without a Democratic Majority Rule. The Majority is too Busy abusing their power with creative writing projects, like resolutions for a someone to wage war against the supreme law of our land: Powers NOT granted them by the people for the people! So, I, logically, want an entire wash of the spineless idiots who are bought by Fortune 500 title holders, AND those that are so old their decrepitness will have to be washed out of their seats, AND I want a real Person to hold office on The Hill as our President, with all the foundations our forefathers fought for still intact & abided by for HIM OR HER to be President.

The Hill, then,  should not only be ready for a Woman, they should be ready for a Man.

until then, We Get Nothing But The Likes of Bush.

quote:
woman, when gets so far, is stone hearted on  many issues...tough.  not good. I have felt errily Whenever I see a woman talking so loudly in public, esp in politics.


I’m sorry you feel that way, but maybe I understand why. The Glass Ceilings have kept women in a bourgeois box for so long; many are unable to trust their own voices, let alone those that are breaking outside of the box. It takes loud voices sometimes to break those ceilings. Women equal Men in that they don’t always get things right, but sex discrimination is wrong, and it’s usually perpetrated by those who are cowards.
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Absolutely agree, Regina.

I'll add one thing, as an aside, and that is I'm not thrilled with John Edwards as a candidate at all either in that he strikes me as contradicting himself when he speaks about poverty, yet also has had $400 haircuts and even to attend some of his poverty speeches are costly.

However, I have a high admiration for his wife, Elizabeth Edwards, and believe she would make a strong future candidate for President. In fact, as much as I disapprove of President Bush's job performance, I hold a very favorable view of his wife Laura Bush and her dedicating herself for years to education and public service both in her community and nationally. Both these women are inspiring in many ways to me, as are many other women currently who serve both in politics and public service.

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Thank you, Noah.Every you said to Tom is true (except for the 'you have every right to question his views' part).

Yes, we are both fairly staunch in our views and the fact that we have remained friends throughout means something. Too bad the different religions of the world can't learn from us.

Hats off, sir

Tom...I served in WW2? You are on my list!
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My dear Noah, allow me to say this, if you want to judge a polititian on his $400 hair cut, what if another one spent $40,000 (not much as to art) for an art master piece? Will you say that he shall donate those money to charity?

One of my friend's father was a lawyer in Taxes. They all used foreign goods...not made in  China but French and England and other Euro products. Two year ago, her parents sent her a French made toaster (catalog shopping). It costed some two hundred dollars while one can get it in Warmart with $9.99.

Most  senators are lawyers with some private practice history..they have their savings( )
At lease J.Edward's hair was made in America.

I will judge a polititian with his view of a society....who cares the young, old and disabled. and give others an equal chance to have full bloom of his ability to servive and produce.


As for the wifies, I will not dream that they do not share  the same political views with their husband.

WE are talking political figures. Otherwise I will not say that G.W.Bush is a silly man..he may be a very good heighbor to have. And he might be very human in some ways.  I truly believe that.

My thought

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Dear Sir Balladeer, I am sorry that I have been wrong about your honored histoy. But I still have doubt that you had been to civil war since you are so young. Who paid you and which side were you at?

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Thanks Noah,

and that was a nice write-up about Mike, and I enjoyed reading some things about your beginnings, as we were all pretty new at everything here. I'm happy you're still here with a strong voice.

I also agree with you about Laura Bush & Elizabeth Edwards. I pity Laura for obvious reasons, but admire her too, and Elizabeth is a fine woman with a strong backbone.

I like your current prezpicks...especially your GOP fav Ron Paul. Heard him on the radio of our local 103.5 today. He was questioned about abortion, education, IRS, etc. and all the Big Government involvement, and he used a great word to sum it all up. "Distractions."

It's time someone got focused on our big problems, eh? Something that everyone can agree on in this thread?

maybe/maybe not

thaz why it's the Alley


P.S. $400 haircuts? Does he have that much hair? I mean, my hair is an endless tumbleweed from hell and the stylists run screaming when I show up, but I ain't ever been charged even half that much.

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Regina, thanks for sharing your view on Ron Paul there.

Of course, there are some issues where I disagree with him strongly on, including abolishing the Department of Education altogether, returning to the gold standard, pulling us out of the United Nations and disagree with his views on same-sex adoption and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Those particular positionings are somewhat unsettling to me.

However, Ron Paul strikes me as that individual who you may disagree with him strongly on some issues, but abiding by the true libertarian and constitutional philosophy is his calling card, and you can feel that he can at least be trusted to be honest with Americans in where he stands and what he believes.

Firstly, his voting record is consistent to the traditional conservative notion of fiscal responsibility. He has never voted to raise taxes, nor has he has ever voted for an unbalanced budget.

Secondly, his voting record is consistent to the traditonal conservative notion of small government. He voted against the USA Patriot Act, has condemned warrantless wiretapping, opposes eminent domain, he never votes for legislation unless the bill is expressly authorized by the Constitution, and has acknowledged that "the biggest threat to our privacy is the government."

And finally, his voting record is consistent to the traditional conservative notion of non-interventionism, while also having a strong military and national defense. He voted against the war in Iraq where almost the entire rest of the party voted the other way, but also has devoted a lifetime in his Texas community to honoring veterans and their families every step of the way. He has also served our country and has a six-point plan for border security and immigration reform.

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In addition, Ron Paul is one of the cleanest representatives in Congress in terms of ethics. According to a report by Clean Up Washington, Ron Paul has the fourth highest percentage of contributions from small donors among all House members, and has accepted the seventh-lowest amount of PAC money of all House members in the same study. Also, according to OpenSecrets.org, Ron Paul has taken the least percentage of special interest money as compared to every other Republican candidate.

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The point is, while I do hold my share of disagreements with him on some issues, I also vote for candidates based on their conviction and personal integrity, and Ron Paul is an individual who speaks with clarity and integrity, easily more so than any other presidential candidate from EITHER party (besides Dennis Kucinich, another candidate who I have some strong disagreements with but also is a candidate with integrity). I hold great respect for principled individuals like Paul, and despite certain disagreements, I believe his record, his experience and his ability to speak the truth are all incredible assets and THAT is what makes him appear more electable to me than all other GOP presidential candidates this election season.

I can honestly say that, if Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination and the GOP nominee is one of the four current front-runners, and Ron Paul runs a third-party candidacy, I will vote for Ron Paul because I truly believe he is a far more authentic candidate than either one of those five.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa
 
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