Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA
You're disputing the definition of poor or poverty as defined by the government. I'm not.
You're arguing that the poor, as defined by the government, aren't really poor.
Yes or no?
Yes, Brad, you are exactly right. Here are the facts of the link in which John started this post....
80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.
62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Now, if you want to call people with these amenities poor, then so be it. I don't.
At any rate, I suspect such comparisons provide little comfort and probably stir up feelings of guilt.
Stir up feelings of guilt for sure, Brad, if you want to use the figures as a weapon like John Edwards does...
"In the past, Edwards has claimed that poverty in America is a “plague” which forces 37 million Americans to live in “terrible” circumstances. According to Edwards, an amazing “one in eight” Americans lack “enough money for the food, shelter, and clothing they need,” caught in a daily “struggle with incredible poverty.”
There is Edwards trying to stir up those feelings of guilt. Do you think the people that have the tangibles listed above are living in "terrible" circumstances and struggle daily with incredible poverty?
You're saying that they should look to other countries (These days, Korea is hardly poor by the way.) in order to . . . actually I'm not sure why you suggest that.
My congrats to Korea, Brad. Why should I suggest that? Fly into Maquetia outside of Crarcas, Brad. Caracas itself if approx 20 miles away. For the entire trip into the city you will see tens of thousands of mud houses built along the sides of the hills the entire way. Whenever there is a bad storm, hundreds or even thousands are swept off the hills like chalk off a blackboard. Family survivors gather up mud to build another house and go on. You will see dozens of children around every cafe, poised to grab food off plates and run. Venezuela is considered a rich country. There are worse. Why would I suggest looking to other countries for a reality check? Figure it out....
Iliana, I am glad that I provide a constant source of entertainment for you. There is no one I like to crack up more. It makes me feel that I have accomplished an important mission in life
Also, it is as if you don't recognize the homeless in the States at all, Mike, which completely baffles me
What baffles me is that comment, miss. I certainly recognize homelessness AND poverty in this country. This thread and John's link does not suggest it does not exist. I DO NOT recognize the fact that it describes 37 million, unless you wish to include those that possess what is listed above. Here is the conclusion of John's link, which it appears you may not have read.
Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.
There are also other facts mentioned which carry weight..
Another important factor boosting poverty in the U.S. is our broken immigration system which imports hundreds of thousands of additional poor people each year from abroad through both legal and illegal immigration channels. One quarter of all poor persons in the U.S. are now first generation immigrants or the minor children of those immigrants. Roughly one in ten of the persons counted among the poor by Census is either an illegal immigrant or the minor child of an illegal. Immigrants tend to be poor because they have very low education levels. A quarter of legal immigrants and fifty to sixty percent of illegals are high-school dropouts. By contrast, only nine percent of non-immigrant Americans lack a high school degree.
Iliana, you can speak of any specific examples you wish. You can speak of Indians living in poverty there and I can speak of the Seminole Indians here, who receive 36,000.00 per year per person from the casino and cigarette sales revenue. That's 144,000.00 for a family of four. Not bad, huh? Every Seminole indian receives it. So what? Neither your example or mine is nationally indicative of anything. Neither are the homess walking the streets or freezing in the winter, unless you want to claim that they comprise a significant percentage of the population. Seems to me I read somewhere down here, at least, that a large majority of the "street" people have mental issues.
I will acknowledge that there are MANY problems in our "not-perfect" country, but to juggle figures, misrepresent facts and use them as a public-scare tactic to create dissention and alarm where none is warranted, all for the sake of vote accumuation, is an abominal tactic.