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rwood
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25 posted 07-29-2007 10:40 AM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Many people state that Towers were loaded at their bases with explosives to bring them down in the way they went down, just as this states:

"Loose Change" makes the shocking claim that the World Trade Center's Twin Towers were brought down on Sept. 11, 2001, by the U.S. government in a controlled demolition.

If they hadn't? And then possibly fell sideways? Would it have made more sense? Or at least would it have appeared less "controlled?" And would the survivors feel less attacked? By their own government? Sighs.

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Regina, I don't think it would have made any difference about whether the survivors would have felt any less attacked.  Perhaps, if it is the way the video tells it, they feel more attacked.  But your statement is a little confusing; it is not clear why you ask these questions.  But here's one to ponder -- why did the third building (Bldg. 7) collapse later the same day?
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27 posted 07-29-2007 01:56 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Mike -- what the hell are you talking about?

Reagan's rapid retreat from Lebanon is one of the main encouragements Bin Laden cited -- read the 9-11 report.

quote:

In 1983 came Hezbollah’s massacre of the Marines in Beirut. President Reagan quickly withdrew U.S. forces from Lebanon—a reversal later routinely cited by jihadists as evidence of U.S. weakness. http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/US/9-11/911Report.htm



It wasn't Carter's weakness that started this -- it was the Carter/Brzezinski strategy of using the NWG to fight the Soviet Union that led to the creation of Bin Laden and Al Quada.

Open up both your eyes man.  You seem to be blind in the RIGHT one.

further reading http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/6/04211/23788
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28 posted 07-29-2007 05:31 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

interesting, reb. You speak of being blind in one eye and yet you could see the Reagan's retreat from Lebanon in the report and miss Bin Laden's comment of the lack of response by Clinton to the USS Cole being the encouragement for 9/11. That left eye could use a little Vizene itself  

Besides....en el valle de los ciegos, el tuerto es rey.
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Sorry to be confusing. I apologize for being in a hurry and I'll try to convey all this.

It’s all so confusing, to me. If there is complete evidence of a demolition, and the videos suggest solid evidence to me, but I’m not a demolitionist or an engineer, but I do feel like if they’d tumbled sideways, more would have died.  Though if they’d been evacuated after being hit, less would have died. If our government attacked us, why weren’t the planes enough of a horror tactic? Why did the buildings have to come down?

Why did the Pentagon have to have a plane/missile attack that mysteriously disappeared, since real debris or a true appearance of a destroyed flight would be more horrific to the public, if the gov intended to terrorize us they’d played that up for maximum impact, to me, but they made a mistake with the missile? Then why aren’t the families of flight 77 gathering together to find out answers about their missing loved ones with all the evidence of a missile, or are they and we don’t know it? Are they under some sort of threat to remain quiet from our government?

sighs, then Flight 93. Their families talking to them just minutes before! What nightmares.

nothing makes sense, and that’s why I ask questions, and I’m careful not to use conspiracy theories to place all the pieces of an already senseless and horrific puzzle together as gospel, because conspiracy theories may provide a formula of proposed answers, but they tend to create more victims by seizing them with fear and terror based on conjecture, or better yet real possibility twisted to fit. There's just so much with 9/11 that my head spins and I'm sure that any answers will never make sense.

just typing all of this makes feel anguished.

Building 7? Sighs. If he “pulled it” for insurance purposes and profited opportunistically by using the worst massacre of innocent people in our history, may he be damned for every penny.

I guess the real question is: Is there anyone out there who feel our Gov is innocent of the attack? It makes sense to me to say No, but I'm rarely right when it comes to our gov.


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30 posted 07-29-2007 06:56 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Building 7? Sighs. If he “pulled it” for insurance purposes and profited opportunistically by using the worst massacre of innocent people in our history, may he be damned for every penny.

At the  risk of sounding repetitive, allow me to keep repeating..... HOW?????

Show me a possible scenario....show me any reasonable way he could have. if just doesn't cut it.

Show you anyone?.....me.

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Never missed it at all Mike.  How can my pointing out your omission mean that I missed something?
Congnitive dissonance   writ large Mike.  It's so much easier just to say your political interpretations were mistaken than to continually try to twist the facts to conform to your partisanship.

And conspiracy theory is another form of cognitive dissonance I suppose.  It's somehow more comforting to believe that someone is actually in control I suppose -- than that the world is so out of control that the barbarians can actually be at the gate.

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32 posted 07-29-2007 07:24 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Ok, reb...I'll leave the personal potshots to you. I've had a long enough week....all yours.
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33 posted 07-29-2007 08:58 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Taking it personally Mike, is what we all have to do.  Acknowledging that American policy-makers (elected by Americans) throughout the last 7 decades have been instrumental in creating the conditions that wrought 9/11 is crucial to understanding the conflict.  

Sitting back and pointing the finger at someone else and saying -- "It was the Dems not the Republicans" -- isn't only ludicrous -- it's dangerous.  AS dangerous as not acknowledging that the threat of radical Islamists is real and 9/11was instead perpetrated by 'the government'.

Cognitive dissonance isn't a problem for the dishonest though Mike -- it's the problem of true believers with good intentions who can't possibly imagine how those good intentions brought about adverse effects.  

to a better week ahead man..

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34 posted 07-29-2007 09:32 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Thanks...being held up by a nylon-wearing fellow with an automatic weapons ain't my idea of having fun. Next week HAS to be better!
 
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