How to Join Member's Area Private Library Search Today's Topics p Login
Main Forums Discussion Tech Talk Mature Content Archives
   Nav Win
 Discussion
 The Alley
 Gentlemen, Start Your Vetoes!   [ Page: 1  2  ]
 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36
Follow us on Facebook

 Moderated by: Ron   (Admins )

 
User Options
Format for Better Printing EMail to a Friend Not Available
Admin Print Send ECard
Passions in Poetry

Gentlemen, Start Your Vetoes!

 Post A Reply Post New Topic   Go to the Next Oldest/Previous Topic Return to Topic Page Go to the Next Newest Topic 
Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


25 posted 10-13-2007 07:51 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Brad, I'm with you. I don't understand that point, either.

A long time ago I had a lump on my neck which continued to grow for a long time. When I couldn't ignore it any longer I went to a doctor. I had no health insurance and had not enrolled in the VA yet (another story). At any rate the doctor charged me 200 bucks to confirm that I indeed had a bump on my neck.He then told me we would do a biopsy and other testing and it would cost 1200 dollars, but don't worry because my insurance would pick it up. When I told him I didn't have any, he then changed the charge to 700. I've heard others say they had the same experience. Why a doctor would not do that in another state I don't understand but apparently it is done here, as it should be.

(by the way, I enrolled into the VA the next week where the bump was discovered to be a benign tumor, had the surgery the next day and was back home in two days...all at no charge. Thank you, VA)
Brad
Member Ascendant
since 08-20-99
Posts 5896
Jejudo, South Korea


26 posted 10-13-2007 08:10 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

And, of course, Rush edited the transcript and the tape.

translation: he made an off the cuff remark and decided that he needed to cover his rear end.

The pot calls the kettle black, the kettle calls the pot . . . .

Brad
Member Ascendant
since 08-20-99
Posts 5896
Jejudo, South Korea


27 posted 10-13-2007 08:13 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

quote:
He then told me we would do a biopsy and other testing and it would cost 1200 dollars, but don't worry because my insurance would pick it up. When I told him I didn't have any, he then changed the charge to 700. I've heard others say they had the same experience.


And still another excellent point.

Can somebody explain to me how this works?
nakdthoughts
Member Laureate
since 10-29-2000
Posts 19275
Between the Lines


28 posted 10-13-2007 09:40 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

Brad,I know I am a little off topic but even when I had health insurance when working for my husband's company and paying for over 30 years with no claim (I was healthy enough) that when I went for something like a cold I just paid for it over the years) anyway  my one Dr would complain that it took a long time for insurance companies to pay. So I would sometimes  pay  cash ahead of time and would wait to get re-imbursed by the insurance company,  except they would pay me 80% or what was "usual and customary" (a term that they  must have made up). So I was always out the balance...and all I was doing was trying to make it easier for the Drs  office.

Now I try not to go to the Drs if I can help it. The last one I went to because I was about to go back to teaching after Xmas and I didn't want to have something contageous~~ he  charged me $80 and that was  a discount, to listen to my heart, check my throat and tell me to continue doing what I was doing and it took all of 10 minutes of his time.

Anyway, health insurance as is  home owners insurance are all sore subjects with me...you pay forever, never have a claim and then when you do after years and I mean 20-30 years, they find every excuse not to  pay it unless you spend endless hours on the phone complaining and climbing the ladder until you reach a CEO who doesn't like being bothered and finally okays it. Most people give up by then.

M
Mistletoe Angel
Deputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 5 Tours
Member Empyrean
since 12-17-2000
Posts 34089
City of Roses


29 posted 10-13-2007 09:41 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

quote:
Brad, I'm with you. I don't understand that point, either.

A long time ago I had a lump on my neck which continued to grow for a long time. When I couldn't ignore it any longer I went to a doctor. I had no health insurance and had not enrolled in the VA yet (another story). At any rate the doctor charged me 200 bucks to confirm that I indeed had a bump on my neck.He then told me we would do a biopsy and other testing and it would cost 1200 dollars, but don't worry because my insurance would pick it up. When I told him I didn't have any, he then changed the charge to 700. I've heard others say they had the same experience. Why a doctor would not do that in another state I don't understand but apparently it is done here, as it should be.

(by the way, I enrolled into the VA the next week where the bump was discovered to be a benign tumor, had the surgery the next day and was back home in two days...all at no charge. Thank you, VA)


And let me say how I'm sooooo happy the VA offered you the utmost care and support you needed that you and all fellow veterans not only deserve, but need, wholeheartedly.

Some local VA shelters and clinics are struggling financially at the moment on the state level, sadly, and they recently had to close the 66-year old Fort Vancouver Barnes Regimental Chapel in Vancouver, Washington due to funding woes, along with seventeen other long-standing VA facilities in the Northwest. 13,000 patients annually from both Oregon and Washington were served there, veterans make up more than 11% of the Vancouver and Clark County population there, and before it had closed, patient numbers had been increasing more than three times their usual rate there, all of which are despairing numbers and trends.

I pray the hundreds of thousands more currently serving, who come home, will be offered the kind of quality care like you and the many others who have served most honorably in previous generations received, as they not only deserve it, we owe it to every one of them.

*

As an aside, whenever I see John McCain on television, I can't help but always notice that large bump on the left side of his neck due to melanoma, which he has battled for about fifteen years. Indeed it certainly looks like a nasty, malignant cancer gauging by the bump, and I quite often pray for him to continue winning the fight against this terrible ailment.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa
Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


30 posted 10-13-2007 10:41 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

yes, I have noticed that, too, Noah. If it's malignant he has major problems for sure...a real shame after all he has been through.

Maureen, I agree with your anger completely. There are insurance companies and government offices which have standard practices that they deny the first two claim attempts automatically. They count on the claimant to get so frustrated they give up. It's a vicious, despicable practice.

Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


31 posted 10-18-2007 06:26 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Hey, Noah! Get you bid in while it's still under a million (talking about the Harry Reid smear letter, signed by Clinton, Obama and 39 other Democrats, designed to "get" Limbaugh)

LOL! When will they learn....?
Mistletoe Angel
Deputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 5 Tours
Member Empyrean
since 12-17-2000
Posts 34089
City of Roses


32 posted 10-18-2007 07:35 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

No, this is my opinion on the whole Congressional intervention matter over political discourse from pundits and organizations:

*

1) It should never have been allowed in the first place. The fact the US Senate had to publicly denounce the MoveOn ad was ridiculous, as the American people will clearly make up their minds over whether it was appropriate or inappropriate, and MoveOn is merely a partisan group that has every right to its opinions than any other partisan group.

2) SINCE Congress went ahead to condemn one group for bad-mouthing someone in our military, it is in my firmest belief that ALL those who voted FOR the condemnation of MoveOn ought to vote FOR the condemnation of Rush Limbaugh ALSO, while ALL those who voted AGAINST the condemnation of MoveOn ought to vote AGAINST the condemnation of Rush Limbaugh ALSO.

*

I, myself, am NOT going to latch on that signature/comment gathering effort by the Democratic establishment to condemn Limbaugh, and get involved, as I believe such interventionism is pretty pathetic, in my opinion, regardless of who the pundit or organization is.

I will tell you something else, though, and that is what this whole interventionism matter really boils on down to is attempting to control what is acceptable speech and what is not, and neither party is the arbiter of that notion, period. Thus, just on a matter of principle and authenticity, I believe Udall's bill ought to be brought to a vote to, again, keep Congress honest and show who REALLY believes all remarks against military officials and volunteers ought to be condemned, and who was merely seeking political gain. Then, they must not resort to this sort of interventionism again, regardless of who says what on what side of the spectrum, which the public will decide how to react to any of those particular comments.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa
Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


33 posted 10-19-2007 01:32 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Noah, do you REALLY want me to go through and list all of the slurs against the military by the Democrats? It would take hours and you know it.

If MoveOn, then Rush?? You must be joking even comparing the two. MoveOn is a sleaze organization that does nothing more then try to destroy anything it opposes. You must approve of their "General Betrayus" protrayal, then, of a soldier they are not worthy of licking the boots of? Or you want to say that their slurs of the military and the General are basically the same as rush saying that people who claimed to be in the military and/or in Iraq and were not are phony soldiers?  Please.....
Mistletoe Angel
Deputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 5 Tours
Member Empyrean
since 12-17-2000
Posts 34089
City of Roses


34 posted 10-19-2007 07:41 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

quote:
Noah, do you REALLY want me to go through and list all of the slurs against the military by the Democrats? It would take hours and you know it.


You have every right to do as you wish. I, meanwhile, could go through and list all of the instances in terms of their voting records the Bush Administration and GOP-led trifecta from 2001 to 2006 used our troops for photo-ops, or voted against some of the needs of our troops.......which that would certainly take hours also.

quote:
If MoveOn, then Rush?? You must be joking even comparing the two. MoveOn is a sleaze organization that does nothing more then try to destroy anything it opposes. You must approve of their "General Betrayus" protrayal, then, of a soldier they are not worthy of licking the boots of? Or you want to say that their slurs of the military and the General are basically the same as rush saying that people who claimed to be in the military and/or in Iraq and were not are phony soldiers?  Please.....


And you're suggesting Rush Limbaugh DOESN'T try and smear anyone he doesn't agree with? Like even calling Senator Chuck hagel "Senator Betray-Us" BEFORE MoveOn.org's disgraceful ad, simply for agreeing with the Democrats on a phased withdrawal from Iraq?

*

I did NOT approve of their full-page ad accusing General David Petraeus of being "General Betray-Us". They could have easily made an otherwise credible argument without having to resort to that kind of ad hominem name-calling.

But I'll tell you something else also, and that is the president knew EXACTLY what he was doing BEFORE he even announced the so-called "surge" strategy in Iraq. The administration understands by now that most Americans are NOT going to take arguments in defense of a stay-the-course policy in Iraq seriously from an unpopular president and administration with approval ratings hovering between 24% and 35%, and anything they mouth will fall on deaf ears in the most part.

New York Times: September 10th, 2007

So what to do in this sort of dilemma? As they have been doing since before the war in Iraq ever began, they KNOW that the American public trusts military commanders FAR more than Congress when it comes to the war, including a new New York Times/CBS News poll which shows Americans reiterating that fact by a whopping 68/21% margin. Worse yet, the administration was only trusted by an even more lowly 5%.

Thus, they decided to USE a highly-respected and decorated four-star general. David Petraeus, as a puppet, and while the White House as always is in fact writing the reports, they created this PR campaign to make it appear as though Petraeus was the author of the report's findings, because they KNOW anyone who criticizes a highly decorated four-star general would look foolish, even anti-military, in the eyes of the public, and thus believed support for the war in Iraq would grow in result, deceiving the public in believing these popular military commanders came to the conclusion on improvements in Iraq, NOT an unpopular president and his neoconservative peers.

Bush has, and continues, to use our troops as backdrops and photo-ops to continue pursuing their ill-fated stay-the-course policy, and while I DO, in fact, condemn the name-calling in MoveOn.org's latest "General Betray-Us" ad and believe it is a below-the-belt attack on him, as Petraeus was merely taking orders from the President, I absolutely believe the administration purposely used him as a shield, and THAT is no less disgraceful than what MoveOn has done, in my view: using military officials as political pawns and devices.

*

Yes, they are one of the same, I believe, and certainly I've been hearing many of these "phony soldiers" as Rush had accused those who hold views against the war phoning in.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa
Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 06-05-99
Posts 26302
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA


35 posted 10-20-2007 11:25 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Thus, they decided to USE a highly-respected and decorated four-star general. David Petraeus, as a puppet, and while the White House as always is in fact writing the reports, they created this PR campaign to make it appear as though Petraeus was the author of the report's findings, because they KNOW anyone who criticizes a highly decorated four-star general would look foolish, even anti-military, in the eyes of the public, and thus believed support for the war in Iraq would grow in result, deceiving the public in believing these popular military commanders came to the conclusion on improvements in Iraq, NOT an unpopular president and his neoconservative peers.

Congrats, Noah. Moveon.org has done its work well. They get people like you to state as fact what they are trying to push without facts....unless, of course, you have facts to prove they used the general as a puppet. I would guess that you don't but just FEEL that it must be that way. I repeat...they have done their work well.
Mistletoe Angel
Deputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 10 ToursDeputy Moderator 5 Tours
Member Empyrean
since 12-17-2000
Posts 34089
City of Roses


36 posted 10-22-2007 12:12 AM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

quote:
Congrats, Noah. Moveon.org has done its work well. They get people like you to state as fact what they are trying to push without facts....unless, of course, you have facts to prove they used the general as a puppet. I would guess that you don't but just FEEL that it must be that way. I repeat...they have done their work well.


Congratulations.........the White House and Rush Limbaugh have certainly done a good job keeping you in line, deifying seemingly every word they say as gospel.

I can honestly say, as it is, that I haven't even VISITED MoveOn.org since October 2004, when they put together a television ad including the video excerpt of when Bush was joking about failing to find "weapons of mass destruction", where he was looking under his desk and joking "None under here!", etc. which before the 2004 presidential election I thought was a most fair and telling ad, and my father contributed $25 to them then to help air the ad.

CNN: August 16, 2007

I certainly DON'T need interest groups like MoveOn.org to hold a natural suspicion and distrust of any excuse this administration makes up about our continuing involvement in Iraq. In fact, a majority of Americans in a handful of polls before Petraeus and Crocker appeared in Congress all revealed they "don't trust the upcoming report by the Army's top commander in Iraq on the progress of the war and even if they did, it wouldn't change their mind."

They get it: they know the White House wrote the "surge" report, not General Petraeus, and merely used Petraeus as cover in the attempt to hide their own incompetence, and sell the same failed war strategy they had already sold thrice before.

Much of this, by the way, isn't because they think lowly of General Petraeus at all. I myself commend Petraeus' service and dedication. He has a most impressive and commendable resume, from earning the General George C. Marshall Award as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Class of 1983, to the dozens of deserved badges and medals he has received for his versatile number of talents and experiences in the military. It's rather because Petraeus is being set up as the arbiter of the report, when in fact the report is entirely the doing of the White House, which obviously want to cook the books and statistics to make it sound better than it actually is, including re-defining what "sectarian violence" is so to make it sound like it has plunged 75% since the surge began, or crediting the surge for all the changes in the an-Anbar province despite the fact it was happening before the surge ever began, because Sunni tribal leaders didn't appreciate al-Qaeda meddling with their affairs, thus fought them off.

*

Most Americans saw, and continue to see, through the political charades of this report, and THAT is why most Americans were rightfully already distrusting toward the report, and NOT having anything to do with disrespecting Petraeus and his service. And certainly they didn't need MoveOn to see the truth: the patterns of failed leadership by this administration on Iraq explained enough.

*

And while this thread is on the subject of vetoes, perhaps I should remind you of who it was that was intending to veto a piece of legislation that would have given our troops more rest between deployments in Iraq.........until the GOP (minus some courageous Republicans who broke from their party to support the bill including eight GOP senators) decided to filibuster it.

Earlier this month, I watched this very powerful, special one-hour edition of "NOW" on PBS that documented the war in Iraq through the eyes of some of our troops serving there, in the Third Infantry's First Brigade from Fort Stewart, Georgia, as well as their families back home, which the children of many of these fathers serving overseas have grown from babies to toddlers, from toddlers to schoolchildren, with their fathers barely ever getting to see them grow up because of their constant redeployment and lack of rest time.

One of them, Seargent Mike Obert, was only allowed a rest time of 18 days after recently completing his latest deployment there, and other troops serving in that brigade interviewed expressed similar, limited times off they were allowed.

Beyond that, the issue of these troops working with borrowed equipment, as well as having much shorter training than ever there, was brought up often from our young men and women in uniform, while others interviewed agreed that "the more deployments you go on, the more likely you'll get killed due to physical exhaustion and fatigue."

Obviously, we all, as Americans, take the protection, physical health and alertness of our young men and women in uniform most seriously. Yet, most of the GOP establishment, on September 19th of last month, chose to vote AGAINST offering them more much-deserved (and much-needed) R&R between deployments, thus leaving our young men and women more weakened than ever by fatigue and stress in the deserts of Iraq.

Even more incredible, STILL, is that when you put things into overall perspective, the Pentagon brass, in fact, usually requires TWICE as much rest as deployment, where Webb's bill was actually quite modest in that it was only asking for HALF that much rest. Yet, most of the GOP establishment still say "NO!"

This is part of what I was talking about earlier regarding how the GOP may know how to walk the walk when talking about who does and who doesn't support our troops, but when it comes to walking the walk, they actually have a very abysmal record when it comes to their votes. And the aforementioned vote is just one of many votes that highlights that divide between how they talk and how they walk.

*

The bottom line is, your party lost its majorities in Congress last November NOT because the American public loves the Democrats (most Americans, including myself, are very angry with the Democrats also) but because the GOP chose to deify the President on virtually everything, offering a rubber-stamp to everything from Iraq to his executive power grab, even if it meant compromising some of our democratic cornerstones, and the public responded in sound rejection to this blank-check government.

Washington Post: October 1st, 2007

Apparently many in the GOP establishment still don't understand why they lost in 2006 yet, and as they are on the wrong side of public opinion on BOTH the Iraq war and the SCHIP expansion, they will all but certainly lose more seats in the Senate in particular come November of next year (Sununu's seat in New Hampshire, as well as open seats in Colorado and Virginia in particular)

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa
 
 Post A Reply Post New Topic   Go to the Next Oldest/Previous Topic Return to Topic Page Go to the Next Newest Topic 
All times are ET (US) Top
  User Options
>> Discussion >> The Alley >> Gentlemen, Start Your Vetoes!   [ Page: 1  2  ] Format for Better Printing EMail to a Friend Not Available
Print Send ECard

 

pipTalk Home Page | Main Poetry Forums

How to Join | Member's Area / Help | Private Library | Search | Contact Us | Today's Topics | Login
Discussion | Tech Talk | Archives | Sanctuary



© Passions in Poetry and netpoets.com 1998-2013
All Poetry and Prose is copyrighted by the individual authors