City of Roses
Congrats, Noah. Moveon.org has done its work well. They get people like you to state as fact what they are trying to push without facts....unless, of course, you have facts to prove they used the general as a puppet. I would guess that you don't but just FEEL that it must be that way. I repeat...they have done their work well.
Congratulations.........the White House and Rush Limbaugh have certainly done a good job keeping you in line, deifying seemingly every word they say as gospel.
I can honestly say, as it is, that I haven't even VISITED MoveOn.org since October 2004, when they put together a television ad including the video excerpt of when Bush was joking about failing to find "weapons of mass destruction", where he was looking under his desk and joking "None under here!", etc. which before the 2004 presidential election I thought was a most fair and telling ad, and my father contributed $25 to them then to help air the ad.
CNN: August 16, 2007
I certainly DON'T need interest groups like MoveOn.org to hold a natural suspicion and distrust of any excuse this administration makes up about our continuing involvement in Iraq. In fact, a majority of Americans in a handful of polls before Petraeus and Crocker appeared in Congress all revealed they "don't trust the upcoming report by the Army's top commander in Iraq on the progress of the war and even if they did, it wouldn't change their mind."
They get it: they know the White House wrote the "surge" report, not General Petraeus, and merely used Petraeus as cover in the attempt to hide their own incompetence, and sell the same failed war strategy they had already sold thrice before.
Much of this, by the way, isn't because they think lowly of General Petraeus at all. I myself commend Petraeus' service and dedication. He has a most impressive and commendable resume, from earning the General George C. Marshall Award as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Class of 1983, to the dozens of deserved badges and medals he has received for his versatile number of talents and experiences in the military. It's rather because Petraeus is being set up as the arbiter of the report, when in fact the report is entirely the doing of the White House, which obviously want to cook the books and statistics to make it sound better than it actually is, including re-defining what "sectarian violence" is so to make it sound like it has plunged 75% since the surge began, or crediting the surge for all the changes in the an-Anbar province despite the fact it was happening before the surge ever began, because Sunni tribal leaders didn't appreciate al-Qaeda meddling with their affairs, thus fought them off.
Most Americans saw, and continue to see, through the political charades of this report, and THAT is why most Americans were rightfully already distrusting toward the report, and NOT having anything to do with disrespecting Petraeus and his service. And certainly they didn't need MoveOn to see the truth: the patterns of failed leadership by this administration on Iraq explained enough.
And while this thread is on the subject of vetoes, perhaps I should remind you of who it was that was intending to veto a piece of legislation that would have given our troops more rest between deployments in Iraq.........until the GOP (minus some courageous Republicans who broke from their party to support the bill including eight GOP senators) decided to filibuster it.
Earlier this month, I watched this very powerful, special one-hour edition of "NOW" on PBS that documented the war in Iraq through the eyes of some of our troops serving there, in the Third Infantry's First Brigade from Fort Stewart, Georgia, as well as their families back home, which the children of many of these fathers serving overseas have grown from babies to toddlers, from toddlers to schoolchildren, with their fathers barely ever getting to see them grow up because of their constant redeployment and lack of rest time.
One of them, Seargent Mike Obert, was only allowed a rest time of 18 days after recently completing his latest deployment there, and other troops serving in that brigade interviewed expressed similar, limited times off they were allowed.
Beyond that, the issue of these troops working with borrowed equipment, as well as having much shorter training than ever there, was brought up often from our young men and women in uniform, while others interviewed agreed that "the more deployments you go on, the more likely you'll get killed due to physical exhaustion and fatigue."
Obviously, we all, as Americans, take the protection, physical health and alertness of our young men and women in uniform most seriously. Yet, most of the GOP establishment, on September 19th of last month, chose to vote AGAINST offering them more much-deserved (and much-needed) R&R between deployments, thus leaving our young men and women more weakened than ever by fatigue and stress in the deserts of Iraq.
Even more incredible, STILL, is that when you put things into overall perspective, the Pentagon brass, in fact, usually requires TWICE as much rest as deployment, where Webb's bill was actually quite modest in that it was only asking for HALF that much rest. Yet, most of the GOP establishment still say "NO!"
This is part of what I was talking about earlier regarding how the GOP may know how to walk the walk when talking about who does and who doesn't support our troops, but when it comes to walking the walk, they actually have a very abysmal record when it comes to their votes. And the aforementioned vote is just one of many votes that highlights that divide between how they talk and how they walk.
The bottom line is, your party lost its majorities in Congress last November NOT because the American public loves the Democrats (most Americans, including myself, are very angry with the Democrats also) but because the GOP chose to deify the President on virtually everything, offering a rubber-stamp to everything from Iraq to his executive power grab, even if it meant compromising some of our democratic cornerstones, and the public responded in sound rejection to this blank-check government.
Washington Post: October 1st, 2007
Apparently many in the GOP establishment still don't understand why they lost in 2006 yet, and as they are on the wrong side of public opinion on BOTH the Iraq war and the SCHIP expansion, they will all but certainly lose more seats in the Senate in particular come November of next year (Sununu's seat in New Hampshire, as well as open seats in Colorado and Virginia in particular)
"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"