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Is Freemasonry still exist ?

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Drauntz
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I do not know.
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1 posted 06-27-2007 11:52 AM       View Profile for SEA   Email SEA   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SEA

yes, it does. Many of my family members are free masons.
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Why is this in the Alley? Do you not like the free masons Drauntz?

“Well all the apostles, they’re sittin’ on the swings, sayin’ I’d sell off my savior for a set of new rings.”

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Certainly does! Three Cheers for De Molay!

No secrets from me.

  Jim
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Something with great secrecy, right?  

Still all men club, right?
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yes and yes
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Sea, do your family members talk about things in front of you or you are not allowed to know anything about it?

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some things are, but very vague general stuff. For the most part, no they don't. I don't mind that at all, they are supposed to keep it secret. I respect that.
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Actually there is a corresponding women's chapter. I was invited to join them once after I watched a jaw-dropping installation for my now deceased father-in-law, who was a master mason (of the 33 degrees) and he resided as "worshipful master" for two years. I think I was asked because I understood the symbolism. *laughing* I recall asking my father-in-law, later, if they knew what the heck they were doing! He smiled that secret mason smile, and said "Of course--and apparently so do you!" That's when I was asked if I was interested in becoming a "Daughter of the Light." Um, no thanks. I was already "Mother of Two" and that was quite enough for me at the time.
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9 posted 06-27-2007 03:13 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Sb. dear lady, do they ask you to go through special rituals? scary kind?

Sea, dear lady, do they wear swords, sometimes?

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D--I did not join, although I was privy to some select ritual at times. I did ask about the secrecy as well. I asked a lot of different people, as I had gone to quite a few different rituals, but I always got the same answer:

Mathew 6:1-4

"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly" (Matthew 6:1-4)
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Dear SB, is this the base of Mason? interesting!
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I just read your question again. I'd like to add that I had seen a ritual that revolved around that particular passage I quoted--which was a ceremony of some recognition for a particularly honorable act--and I noted that the left hand of those involved were bound. I noticed this because in the tradition of Wicca that I studied, there is similarity of binding of the Left Hand on Sabbat, as no magic must be performed during the observance of honoring the God/dess (depending on which particular Sabbat is observed)

And yes, I have seen at least one ritual with swords, which were used in a type of pantomine performance, that apparently was a welcoming of new members.

And yes, I "sat up interested" as is my not-so smooth habit. And no, I was never allowed to see such again.

I have no idea why I got to see as much as I did as it is...

There's some other interesting things.

My f-i-l's funeral service--the Rose Ritual was lovely, although it is rather a nightmare to try to schedule services for a man who was a retired Captain of the fire department, A Master Mason, Coast Guard, an auxilliary police officer, Catholic, a Shriner and I probably forgot some organizations--but just know that I gave the Masons and the Fire Department Honor guard the services at the "wake". Over 300 people had shown up too. All of whom (except immediate family) had to be asked to leave the viewing area whle this ritual was performed too. And yes, I goofed in quite a lot of ways. He wasn't properly attired apparently--so they had to put on the proper aprons and such. Also, as an homage to his very active community service life, there was a place to displace (<--heh, I came back to edit that, but it amuses me so I'll leave it) personal items--which I did, but it was a rather small table. So I placed the various hats of all of these different organizations on the ground, in a semi-circle, symbolizing, I hoped, the various roles he played. I was pulled aside by a Mason to say that a Mason leader's hat should normally never touched the ground, but that they understood what I was trying to convey, and appreciated the gesture. I didn't disappear after I did that, so I guess I was forgiven.

Also, all of my father-in-law's books and files had to be returned. Almost all of them were too.

My husband--who is not a mason--was also told he was allowed to wear his father's Masonic symbol--a gold necklace--but that if someone was to ask him anything about it--his reply was to be:

"This is the light of my ancestors."

Then they would know he was not attempting to masquerade as a Mason, but honoring his father.

*shrugging* Most of this stuff has been detailed in many "expose'" type books--just google, Mz. D.

I find it fascinating as well. Just not fascinating enough to JOIN.  
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I don't know as how if can be too secretive... there's a lodge (church?) near my house.
http://www.calodges.org/no206/
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thank you very much, dear SB. very interesting stories.

do young generations like 20-30 years old still  join it today?

Do you think that this kind of "club" makes man more manly?
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Nodding at C. They are everywhere. The most interesting one I have been in though, was lost to Katrina. It was a replica of Solomon's temple...I was told that the innermost room, which in the Temple would be where the Ark of the Covenant was kept, was actually a library. I was also told that at one time, members must be nude to enter and leave. (They "tell" some weird stories--and my pop in law said that was done deliberately too, to leave us mere civilians in confusion.) But he told me that the room was indeed kept locked at all times, and a "Guardian" was a Masonic "station" as well--and that you had to be scheduled to enter to read the contents--necessary if you are to become "Worshipful Master."

So I dunno...I just considered it all anthropology. I find Catholic Mass equally intriguing. I respect it all, but I never felt a hankering to join Catholicism either.

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makes a man more manly, Drauntz?

Out of curiosity, did you know anything at all about the freemasons when beginning this thread or just throw it out there for kicks?  Juct curious....
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hey that's right Sen, I forgot...my aunt did that for a LONG time. My cousin's daughter was in Job's(good grief did I even spell that right?) daughters and then what was the woman's one, Northern Stars? There was a TON of kids I went to school with that did that stuff. I never got into it, my mom didn't either. My dad did his 33rd degree then later after he moved, fell out of it.  
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My dear sir Balladeer,

I know nothing about it. I only know that it is for man only and they have some special ranks.  I learned this "Club"  from reading some people's biographies. Kind of mysteries to me.

I am  curious if it is still a fashion or something like that.
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Hey Sue! And yes, thank you for the memory jog there--"Daughter of Light" was a "rank"--the organization was Daughters of the Eastern Star.

Like, um, Venus.

"I coulda been a contendah... "



*wink*
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20 posted 06-27-2007 06:23 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Here ya go, D!
http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/index.htm

That's how secret it is!

*laughing*
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Thank you, Dear SB.

DO they go out uniformed as boy scout?
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22 posted 06-27-2007 06:55 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

D? Just read, and try to let the symbolism speak to you.

My last post on this subject is this:

When my father-in-law once asked me what it was I thought I knew about Freemasonry--after I had studied a bit about it, I told him this--

"It seems to me that each lodge or chapter of Freemasonry was akin to a brick in the whole of the "Temple". The individuals in each "brick" are akin to grains of sand."

Any questions answered by merely one grain of sand is merely a teensy bit of an incomprehensible whole. All of it is "reality" as it is perceived by the one, and yet none of it is truth in entirety.

Hope that helps.

Enjoy your reading, Mz. D!

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I am not a free mason. I am a member of a secret society, a fraternity. We have secret rituals too. I have never told anybody those secrets.

I was president of my charge and a year later a member of the five member governing body that runs the whole thing.

I was told that if I ever told anybody these secrets, I was damned to the fiery depths of hell. I have always found that amusing.

PS My grandfather was a freemason.
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My dear sir Brad, are you sure that you were not sitting in the wRONg chair?
be careful, young man.
 
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