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Jaime Fradera
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What you can do to stop global warming:
1. Stop using hair spray
2. stop cooking as this produces carbon compounds
3. Stop breathing; get your friends to stop breathing; if enough people STOP, It's going to STOP!
4. Throw out all your appliances because they use electricity.
5. Stop traveling, as even draft animals produce methane, a dangerous gas which should not exist on Earth.
6.  Get rid of George Junior because he has oil for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and for snacks, causes hurricanes, blows away countries he doesn't like, is the planet's most dangerous terrorist, parties with his Halliburton friends, and refuses to sign Hokkaido.
If we could just get rid of poor Junior and his Halliburton friends, wouldn't everything be all right?
And why not throw some peaches at poor George.
Wouldn't everything be all right?
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You have to get six billion or so others
on board; stop cooking, eating and other
things.
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Landscaping Your Home for Energy Efficiency
In Winter, by maximizing solar heating while deflecting winds away from your home; and
in Summer by maximizing shading while funneling breezes toward your home. [Source]

Buy a Hybrid Car
The average driver could save 16,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $3,750 per year driving a hybrid.

Buy a Fuel Efficient Car
Getting a few extra miles per gallon makes a big difference. Save thousands of lbs. of carbon dioxide and a lot of money per year.

Carpool When You Can
Own a big vehicle? Carpooling with friends and co-workers saves fuel. Save 790 lbs. of carbon dioxide and hundreds of dollars per year.

Inflate Your Tires
Keep the tires on your car adequately inflated. Save 250 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $840 per year.

Change Your Air Filter
Check your car's air filter monthly. Save 800 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $130 per year.

Reduce Garbage
Buy products with less packaging and recycle paper, plastic and glass. Save 2,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide per year.
Composting helps reduce greenhouse gas emissions by reducing the number of trips trucks must make to the landfill as well as the amount of methane released by our landfills.

Use Recycled Paper
Make sure your printer paper is 100% post consumer recycled paper. Save 5 lbs. of carbon dioxide per ream of paper.

Buy Minimally Packaged Goods
Less packaging could reduce your garbage by about 10%. Save 1,200 pounds of carbon dioxide and $1,000 per year.

Unplug Un-used Electronics
Even when electronic devices are turned off, they use energy. Save over 1,000 lbs of carbon dioxide and $150 per year.

Plant a Tree
Trees provide a microclimate and sustained moisture for you. Trees suck up carbon dioxide and make clean air for us to breath. Save 2,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide per year.


Use Compact Fluorescent Bulbs
Replace 3 frequently used light bulbs with compact fluorescent bulbs. Save 300 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $60 per year.

Fill the Dishwasher
Run your dishwasher only with a full load. Save 100 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $40 per year.

Adjust Your Thermostat
Move your heater thermostat down two degrees in winter and up two degrees in the summer. Save 2000 lbs of carbon dioxide and $98 per year.

Check Your Waterheater
Keep your water heater thermostat no higher than 120EF. Save 550 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $30 per year.

Change the AC Filter
Clean or replace dirty air conditioner filters as recommended. Save 350 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $150 per year.

Take Shorter Showers
Showers account for 2/3 of all water heating costs. Save 350 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $99 per year.

Install a Low-Flow Showerhead
Using less water in the shower means less energy to heat the water. Save 350 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $150.

Buy Products Locally
Buy locally and reduce the amount of energy required to drive your products to your store.

Buy Energy Certificates
Help spur the renewable energy market and cut global warming pollution by buying wind certificates and green tags.

Insulate Your Water Heater
Keep your water heater insulated could save 1,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $40 per year.

Replace Old Appliances
Inefficient appliances waste energy. Save hundreds of lbs. of carbon dioxide and hundreds of dollars per year.

Weatherize Your Home
Caulk and weather strip your doorways and windows. Save 1,700 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $274 per year.

Use a Push Mower
Use your muscles instead of fossil fuels and get some exercise. Save 80 lbs of carbon dioxide and x $ per year.

Put on a Sweater
Instead of turning up the heat in your home, wear more clothes Save 1,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $250 per year.

Insulate Your Home
Make sure your walls and ceilings are insulated. Save 2,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $245 per year.

Air Dry Your Clothes
Line-dry your clothes in the spring and summer instead of using the dryer. Save 700 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $75 per year.

Switch to a Tankless Water Heater
Your water will be heated as you use it rather than keeping a tank of hot water. Save 300 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $390 per year.

Switch to Double Pane Windows
Double pane windows keep more heat inside your home so you use less energy. Save 10,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide and $436 per year.

Buy Organic Food
The chemicals used in modern agriculture pollute the water supply, and require energy to produce.

Bring Cloth Bags to the Market
Using your own cloth bag instead of plastic or paper bags reduces waste and requires no additional energy.
http://www.globalwarming.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=147



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Replace a regular incandescent light bulb with a compact fluorescent light bulb (cfl)
CFLs use 60% less energy than a regular bulb. This simple switch will save about 300 pounds of carbon dioxide a year.

Install a programmable thermostat
Programmable thermostats will automatically lower the heat or air conditioning at night and raise them again in the morning. They can save you $100 a year on your energy bill.

Move your thermostat down 2° in winter and up 2° in summer
Almost half of the energy we use in our homes goes to heating and cooling. You could save about 2,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year with this simple adjustment. The American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy has more tips for saving energy on heating and cooling.

Clean or replace filters on your furnace and air conditioner
Cleaning a dirty air filter can save 350 pounds of carbon dioxide a year.

Choose energy efficient appliances when making new purchases
Look for the Energy Star label on new appliances to choose the most efficient models available.

Do not leave appliances on standby
Use the "on/off" function on the machine itself. A TV set that's switched on for 3 hours a day (the average time Europeans spend watching TV) and in standby mode during the remaining 21 hours uses about 40% of its energy in standby mode.

Wrap your water heater in an insulation blanket
You’ll save 1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year with this simple action. You can save another 550 pounds per year by setting the thermostat no higher than 50°C.

Move your fridge and freezer
Placing them next to the cooker or boiler consumes much more energy than if they were standing on their own. For example, if you put them in a hot cellar room where the room temperature is 30-35ºC, energy use is almost double and causes an extra 160kg of CO2 emissions for fridges per year and 320kg for freezers.

Defrost old fridges and freezers regularly
Even better is to replace them with newer models, which all have automatic defrost cycles and are generally up to two times more energy-efficient than their predecessors.

Don't let heat escape from your house over a long period
When airing your house, open the windows for only a few minutes. If you leave a small opening all day long, the energy needed to keep it warm inside during six cold months (10ºC or less outside temperature) would result in almost 1 ton of CO2 emissions.

Replace your old single-glazed windows with double-glazing
This requires a bit of upfront investment, but will halve the energy lost through windows and pay off in the long term. If you go for the best the market has to offer (wooden-framed double-glazed units with low-emission glass and filled with argon gas), you can even save more than 70% of the energy lost.

Get a home energy audit
Many utilities offer free home energy audits to find where your home is poorly insulated or energy inefficient. You can save up to 30% off your energy bill and 1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year. Energy Star can help you find an energy specialist.

Cover your pots while cooking
Doing so can save a lot of the energy needed for preparing the dish. Even better are pressure cookers and steamers: they can save around 70%!

Use the washing machine or dishwasher only when they are full
If you need to use it when it is half full, then use the half-load or economy setting. There is also no need to set the temperatures high. Nowadays detergents are so efficient that they get your clothes and dishes clean at low temperatures.

Take a shower instead of a bath
A shower takes up to four times less energy than a bath. To maximise the energy saving, avoid power showers and use low-flow showerheads, which are cheap and provide the same comfort.

Use less hot water
It takes a lot of energy to heat water. You can use less hot water by installing a low flow showerhead (350 pounds of carbon dioxide saved per year) and washing your clothes in cold or warm water (500 pounds saved per year) instead of hot.

Use a clothesline instead of a dryer whenever possible
You can save 700 pounds of carbon dioxide when you air dry your clothes for 6 months out of the year.

Insulate and weatherize your home
Properly insulating your walls and ceilings can save 25% of your home heating bill and 2,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year. Caulking and weather-stripping can save another 1,700 pounds per year. Energy Efficient has more information on how to better insulate your home.

Be sure you’re recycling at home
You can save 2,400 pounds of carbon dioxide a year by recycling half of the waste your household generates. Earth 911 can help you find recycling resources in your area.

Recycle your organic waste
Around 3% of the greenhouse gas emissions through the methane is released by decomposing bio-degradable waste. By recycling organic waste or composting it if you have a garden, you can help eliminate this problem! Just make sure that you compost it properly, so it decomposes with sufficient oxygen, otherwise your compost will cause methane emissions and smell foul.

Buy intelligently
One bottle of 1.5l requires less energy and produces less waste than three bottles of 0.5l. As well, buy recycled paper products: it takes less 70 to 90% less energy to make recycled paper and it prevents the loss of forests worldwide.

Choose products that come with little packaging and buy refills when you can
You will also cut down on waste production and energy use!

Reuse your shopping bag
When shopping, it saves energy and waste to use a reusable bag instead of accepting a disposable one in each shop. Waste not only discharges CO2 and methane into the atmosphere, it can also pollute the air, groundwater and soil.

Reduce waste
Most products we buy cause greenhouse gas emissions in one or another way, e.g. during production and distribution. By taking your lunch in a reusable lunch box instead of a disposable one, you save the energy needed to produce new lunch boxes.

Plant a tree
A single tree will absorb one ton of carbon dioxide over its lifetime. Shade provided by trees can also reduce your air conditioning bill by 10 to 15%. The Arbor Day Foundation has information on planting and provides trees you can plant with membership.

Switch to green power
In many areas, you can switch to energy generated by clean, renewable sources such as wind and solar. The Green Power Network is a good place to start to figure out what’s available in your area.

Buy locally grown and produced foods
The average meal in the United States travels 1,200 miles from the farm to your plate. Buying locally will save fuel and keep money in your community.

Buy fresh foods instead of frozen
Frozen food uses 10 times more energy to produce.

Seek out and support local farmers markets
They reduce the amount of energy required to grow and transport the food to you by one fifth. You can find a farmer’s market in your area at the USDA website.

Buy organic foods as much as possible
Organic soils capture and store carbon dioxide at much higher levels than soils from conventional farms. If we grew all of our corn and soybeans organically, we’d remove 580 billion pounds of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere!

Eat less meat
Methane is the second most significant greenhouse gas and cows are one of the greatest methane emitters. Their grassy diet and multiple stomachs cause them to produce methane, which they exhale with every breath.

Reduce the number of miles you drive by walking, biking, carpooling or taking mass transit wherever possible
Avoiding just 10 miles of driving every week would eliminate about 500 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions a year! Look for transit options in your area.

Start a carpool with your coworkers or classmates
Sharing a ride with someone just 2 days a week will reduce your carbon dioxide emissions by 1,590 pounds a year. eRideShare.com runs a free national service connecting commuters and travelers.

Don't leave an empty roof rack on your car
This can increase fuel consumption and CO2 emissions by up to 10% due to wind resistance and the extra weight - removing it is a better idea.

Keep your car tuned up
Regular maintenance helps improve fuel efficiency and reduces emissions. When just 1% of car owners properly maintain their cars, nearly a billion pounds of carbon dioxide are kept out of the atmosphere.

Drive carefully and do not waste fuel
You can reduce CO2 emissions by readjusting your driving style. Choose proper gears, do not abuse the gas pedal, use the engine brake instead of the pedal brake when possible and turn off your engine when your vehicle is motionless for more than one minute. By readjusting your driving style you can save money on both fuel and car mantainance.

Check your tires weekly to make sure they’re properly inflated
Proper inflation can improve gas mileage by more than 3%. Since every gallon of gasoline saved keeps 20 pounds of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, every increase in fuel efficiency makes a difference!

When it is time for a new car, choose a more fuel efficient vehicle
You can save 3,000 pounds of carbon dioxide every year if your new car gets only 3 miles per gallon more than your current one. You can get up to 60 miles per gallon with a hybrid! You can find information on fuel efficiency on FuelEconomy and on GreenCars websites.

Try car sharing
Need a car but don’t want to buy one? Community car sharing organizations provide access to a car and your membership fee covers gas, maintenance and insurance. Many companies – such as Flexcar - offer low emission or hybrid cars too! Also, see ZipCar.

Try telecommuting from home
Telecommuting can help you drastically reduce the number of miles you drive every week. For more information, check out the Telework Coalition.

Fly less
Air travel produces large amounts of emissions so reducing how much you fly by even one or two trips a year can reduce your emissions significantly. You can also offset your air travel by investing in renewable energy projects.

Encourage your school or business to reduce emissions
You can extend your positive influence on global warming well beyond your home by actively encouraging other to take action.

Join the virtual march
The Stop Global Warming Virtual March is a non-political effort to bring people concerned about global warming together in one place. Add your voice to the hundreds of thousands of other people urging action on this issue.

Encourage the switch to renewable energy
Successfully combating global warming requires a national transition to renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and biomass. These technologies are ready to be deployed more widely but there are regulatory barriers impeding them. Take action to break down those barriers with Vote Solar.

Protect and conserve forest worldwide
Forests play a critial role in global warming: they store carbon. When forests are burned or cut down, their stored carbon is release into the atmosphere - deforestation now accounts for about 20% of carbon dioxide emissions each year. Conservation International has more information on forests and global warming.

Consider the impact of your investments
If you invest your money, you should consider the impact that your investments and savings will have on global warming. Check out SocialInvest and Ceres to can learn more about how to ensure your money is being invested in companies, products and projects that address issues related to climate change.

Make your city cool
Cities and states around the country have taken action to stop global warming by passing innovative transportation and energy saving legislation. 194 cities nationwide representing over 40 million people have made this pledge as part of the U.S. Mayors Climate Protection Agreement. Find out how to make your city a cool city.

Tell Congress to act
The McCain Lieberman Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act would set a firm limit on carbon dioxide emissions and then use free market incentives to lower costs, promote efficiency and spur innovation. Tell your representative to support it.

Make sure your voice is heard!
Americans must have a stronger commitment from their government in order to stop global warming and implement solutions and such a commitment won’t come without a dramatic increase in citizen lobbying for new laws with teeth. Get the facts about U.S. politicians and candidates at Project Vote Smart and The League of Conservation Voters. Make sure your voice is heard by voting!

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Send this page via e-mail to your buddies, digg it, add it to your favourite bookmark site (like del.icio.us); and if you're a blogger, blog it: the more people you will manage to enlighten, the greater YOUR help to save the planet will be (but please take action on first person too)! http://globalwarming-facts.info/50-tips.html


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Move back to Mars.
Mistletoe Angel
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I believe, understandably, we can't expect everyone to adopt to all these ideals of how to combat global warming, as indeed it feels very much like trying to instruct a child to wash his/her hands so as not to spread infectious germs everywhere and keep as much an environment free of virulent material as possible.

I will say that one immense way I believe one can combat global warming effectively in the more general sense is understanding how you shop. Here in Portland, we have co-ops and organic markets everywhere, and I regularly do my monthly grocery shopping either at the Portland Farmers Market on weekends between April 7th and December 22nd, or during the four-month off-season at Wild Oats or Sustainable Harvest, which are more alternative grocers.

I generally purchase Alter Eco Fair Trade products, especially red quinoa from the Anapqui cooperative in Bolivia who benefit about 1,200 small farmers from the south of the Bolivian Altiplano as well as regional educational and agricultural programs, ruby rice from the Agrarian Cooperative of Surin, Thailand who grow it using traditional farming methods, and rooibos tea from the Bokkeveld plateau in the Northern Cape province of South Africa, grown from native tea producers there.

In terms of produce, I strive to buy locally. The average meal in fact travels more than 1,500 miles from the farm to the plate, and in result is what drives up transportation costs and our overdependence on fossil fuels and other foreign reserves. So when I buy some crop or item that doesn't grow natively in Oregon, I make an effort to see it is a Fair Trade product that's ecologically friendly, and otherwise when shopping for brussels sprouts, anaheim peppers, sweet potatoes, etc. I make an effort to see it's grown in either Oregon or Washington, from the sustainable fields of Stiebrs Farms in Yelm, Washington, to the natural harvests at Liepold Farms in Boring, Oregon!

I think little things, from the length of your showers to putting on an extra sweater your grandmother knitted you ultimately won't make any significant difference. I highly admire those who go the extra mile and genuinely do such things from mowing their lawn manually to using clotheslines, but all the same I feel the real power you have rests with the power of the dollar; where you decide where the dollar's fate will rest, and I believe we can all make a huge difference in making more sustainable choices in where we shop, as ultimately the combined efforts and decisions of a handful of citizens in going to the farmers market rather than TGI Fridays can affect the general dynamic even if only by a barely noticable decimal.

I believe re-directing your dollar in a more sustainable manner is the single greatest way in combatting global warming.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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quote:

I believe, understandably, we can't expect everyone to adopt to all these ideals of how to combat global warming



We'd better.
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for Reb.

How well do I know... that's just 'cause I could.
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.

Essorant,

“Move back to Mars.”

Wrong . . .


“Some people think that our planet is suffering from a fever.  Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. It seems scientists have noticed recently that quite a few planets in our solar system seem to be heating up a bit, including Pluto.

NASA says the Martian South Pole’s “ice cap” has been shrinking for three summers in a row. Maybe Mars got its fever from earth. If so, I guess Jupiter’s caught the same cold, because it’s warming up too, like Pluto. . .”

.

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NTQzYWY1MGM5NTkyZTM2YWVlMDMzMDlhMzQwNThhNDU=

.

John

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That's what you get for studying science in social studies class John.

backatcha Blazey!
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.


Maybe global warming in facts
is yet another example of humans
especially we Americans
not being able to accept at last
that the world much less the universe
isn’t concerned with us . . .


.
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The universe doesn't give a crap.

That's why we have to.

There are natural warming cycles -- and we've amplified it.  The planet is finite.
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But who is We?

Define
.
There are over six billion
with over nine billion expected in 2050
most of whom will be in countries other
than the West whose population is and, apart from
immigration from those other countries,
will be declining.

.
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LOOK OVER THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE  FOLLOWING TWO HOUSES AND  SEE IF YOU CAN
TELL WHICH BELONGS TO AN ENVIRONMENTALIST.

HOUSE # 1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas.  Add on
a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In
ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the
average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for
electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas
alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes
more than 20 times the  national average for an American home.  This house
is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.

HOUSE # 2:
Designed by an architecture professor at a national university, this house
incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide.
The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled  on
arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house
holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water
through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees
F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no
fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the
electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater
from the roof is collected and funneled into  a
25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers and sinks goes
into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected
water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs
native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.

HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville,
Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist (and filmmaker)
Al Gore.

HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas.
Also  known as "the Texas White House," it is the private residence of  the
President of the United States, George W. Bush.

So whose house is gentler on the environment?  Yet another story you won't
hear on CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC or read about in the New York Times or the
Washington Post.  Indeed, for Mr. Gore, it's truly "an inconvenient truth."


Verified on Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp)
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There is a missing of the point . . .

The mindless sun couldn’t care less
What it will do it will do
Regardless of you or I

.
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One thing we're certainly good at -- recycling conversations.  

The science is in.

Mike -- it would appear that Laura is green.
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quote:
We'd better.


When I said what I said, I certainly believe that both many millions of Americans and millions more worldwide truly believe global warming to be a moral issue, and that they are indeed mindful of the consequences of inaction and want to see a future for their children and their chldren's children where river basins don't dry up and in result devastate agricultural communities where millions depend on food and water worldwide, where the extinction of many more species doesn't happen because climate change keeps harming the natural habitat of too many animals, where skin cancer rates continue shooting through the roof, etc. I believe the determination is there for a global campaign to reverse these trends.

All I was suggesting before was that there are certain things I think even many of the most ecologically-minded of individuals will overlook as was included on those lists, like un-plugging their television every single time they're finished watching a program, or wearing sweaters all winter, or air-drying their clothes, or to expect all carnivores to go vegetarian or dramatically reduce meat consumption, and that ultimately none of those sorts of things make any real difference.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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Mother Teresa
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Global warming is a religious movement, and its rituals (inflating tires, buying or gan, planting trees) are little more than a feel good exercise.  To loosely paraphrase Marx, the global warming faith is simply the latest opiate of the masses  The proponents of this green religion advance arguments similar to those of Christian apologists.  There is nothing wrong with religion until it pretends to be something other than what it is, religion.  But when the proponents of global warming, Shinto, and creationism (in order to pitch their product to a popular culture) disguise their theology as science they can do more damage than a single can of hair spray.  It only through science (not watching sixty minutes) that we can come to a greater understanding of the living biosphere we inhabit and how to take care of it.  I think it would be fun to actually plant a tree try to clean up pelicans drowning in an oil slick, but it won't save penguins that accidentally migrate to Ecuador.
Throughout its history our Earth has known climatic cataclysms and climatic shifts that almost defy comprehension, (that was before we even got here) and there is every reason to think it will undergo many more.  It has been 10,000 years since the "close" of the last glacial, and it is not hard to imagine that the 'earth's mean temperatures will peak as we slide into the next glacial.  For all our arrogant pretensions that we can control the global climate, we are still at the mercy of the forces of nature.  The cosmic forces that gave rise to humanity can just as easily destroy and represent greater threats to our survival than diesel engines.  I predict that in fifty years, maybe twenty-five, we won't be talking about global warming any more.

disguised as science they can be very dangerous and greatly compromise the ability of science to help us come to terms with our living biosphere.
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Oops I screwed up and found some typos in the ast version.
This is the final draft of what I really meant to post
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Global warming is a religious movement, and its rituals (inflating tires, buying or gan, planting trees) are little more than a feel good exercise.  To loosely paraphrase Marx, the global warming faith is simply the latest opiate of the masses.  The proponents of this green religion advance arguments similar to those of Christian apologists.  There is nothing wrong with religion until it pretends to be something other than what it is, religion.  But when the proponents of global warming, Shinto, and creationism (in order to pitch their product to a popular culture) disguise their theology as science they can do more damage than a single can of hair spray.  It is only through the study of science, (not by watching sixty minutes) that we can come to a greater understanding of the living biosphere we inhabit and how to take care of it.  I think it would be fun to actually plant a tree or try to clean up pelicans drowning in an oil slick, but it won't save penguins that accidentally migrate to Ecuador.  Natural selection will take care of that.
Throughout its history our Earth has known climatic cataclysms and climatic shifts that almost defy comprehension, (that was before we even got here) and there is every reason to think it will undergo many more.  It has been 10,000 years since the "close" of the last glacial, and it is not hard to imagine that the 'earth's mean temperatures will peak as we slide into the next glacial.  For all our arrogant pretensions that we can control the global climate, we are still at the mercy of the forces of nature.  The cosmic forces that gave rise to humanity can just as easily destroy it, and it is these forces that represent a greater threat to our survival than diesel engines.  I predict that in fifty years, maybe twenty-five, we won't be talking about global warming any more.
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18 posted 04-05-2007 03:58 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Recycling conversations, LR? My post dealt directly with this thread.

We have a lot of people paying lip service to global warming and energy conservation. Are they sincere or just jumping on a political bandwagon? Anyone truly sincere would condemn Al Gore and his failure, his absolute disregard, to practice what he preaches. Those same people would applaud (asking too much, I know) George Bush's actions in energy conservation at his own house.

And yet....where is either one? The transparency and shallowness of beliefs is obvious...

But don't let that stop the dismissal quips, reb After all, when facts cannot be refuted what's a guy to do??
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Mike -- not talking about your snopes story -- whatever relevence it has or lacks -- my response was to John -- we've had this conversation before ;
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many times.

Just go to one of them for my responses.  I'm saving space on Ron's server, and electricity.

Noah, persons such as John, Mike, Jamie, and Pete are never going to be convinced and will be making excuses no matter what ecological catastrophe occurs.  Which is why we have to make sure that all efforts towards conservation of carbon-emitting fuels takes place.  Take a look under the hood of your car -- about 50% of the components you see were put there by legislation.  We have to do the same thing in other areas of conservation -- like manufacturing televisions that don't suck up energy when they aren't in use -- mandatory proximity sensors in rooms that can turn off lights (we enforce building codes, after all, regarding structural integrity and electrical safety-- we can do the same for energy usage integrity) etc.  That's what I'm talking about.
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whatever relevence it has or lacks

LOLOL! That's a beautiful thing, LR,and exactly what I mean. Obvious bias and/or prejudice cannot even acknowledge irrefutable fact without a disclaimer. No problem....aside from the fact it has been well-documented and even verified by Snopes (Which is an excellent reference whenever it agrees with one's point), I wouldn't expect you, Noah, Kacey, or anyone else to acknowledge it. After all, there are limits to what one can mentally endure.

Hey, maybe Gore checks his tire air pressure occasionally...that can make him one of your good guys.

Don't worry, Pete or Denise, people like LR are never going to acknowledge that someone like Gore and his inconvenient thruths are a sham and that Bush actually does practice what energy conservationists want to see done......at least, not without disclaimers.
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Local rebel: It has never been my contention here that global warming does not exist, only that it does for its adherents.  Nor have I said people shouldn't bother planting trees, recycling, going veggie or doing anything else that makes them feel good, or at least helps them think they are doing useful things.  Certainly, no harm is done when we pursue a "green" lifestyle.  Some will do that while others will not, depending on there beliefs.  I am just making the point that strict adherence to the tenets of the global warming religious folk movement is lunacy and that, since global warming is a religious movement, science is completely out of it.  Dogmatic global warmers dogmatically assert that the science is clear, with the same conviction held by Christians who believe that Jesus rose from the dead.  Never mind that this is a contradiction; I will never try to talk Jesus out of a believer.  Although many scientists believe that some kind of planetary warming is taking place, others are less certain.  Then there is the issue of definitions and semantics, a fuzzy ambiguity or inability to agree on what precisely is being "warmed," what constitutes warming, whether the tools to measure it are appropriate, or just what is meant by global.  These complexities and uncertainties over exactly what is meant have trouble making it through the popular press, not to mention pop culture TV programs like sixty minutes.
In the end Nature isn't going to care what we do or don't believe in, nor what we do or don't do about it.  She is giving us some time to strut and fret our hour upon the stage, amusing ourselves as best we can.  Ultimately we will share the fate of the dinosaurs and dodos.  In the mean time, don't let anybody frighten you out of your freely chosen conspicuous consumption life stile!

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That's what I'm saying.
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and you say it well, Jaime
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If it is your point Mike, that human influence on global warming does not exist because Al Gore wastes energy -- that's a rather large leap to make.  Al Gore didn't invent global warming, after all, only the internet!

The story referenced is merely an interesting aside.  It isn't evidence for or against global warming -- only the choices individuals have made.  And, since, being men, we know that wives make the decisions about houses -- we know Tipper isn't green and Laura is!

So what?

Kerry, as a Catholic, is personally against abortion.  That doesn't mean that he's anti-choice though.

Many Republicans, I suspect, (such as certain Vice-Presidents) might be personally in favor of expanded gay-rights -- but professionally obligated to oppose them.

Since Al isn't running for anything it really doesn't effect the issue.
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24 posted 04-05-2007 06:44 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

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Although many scientists believe that some kind of planetary warming is taking place, others are less certain.  Then there is the issue of definitions and semantics, a fuzzy ambiguity or inability to agree on what precisely is being "warmed," what constitutes warming, whether the tools to measure it are appropriate, or just what is meant by global.  These complexities and uncertainties over exactly what is meant have trouble making it through the popular press, not to mention pop culture TV programs like sixty minutes.



since this is merely your religious belief why should anyone respond to it?
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