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Huan Yi
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0 posted 03-25-2007 06:21 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6494117.stm

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Just what is bloody well going on here?

This is a fairly recent phenomenon;
I can remember when the Australians in particular
were known for their fitness.

It can’t all be blamed on PC’s
and I’ve heard nothing about an epidemic
of glandular issues.

So what is behind all this physical,
and medically dangerous, letting go?

John


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1 posted 03-25-2007 06:31 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

OH man...I hope it's not VEGEMITE.
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2 posted 03-25-2007 06:48 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Well, at least
there's less smoking . . .

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Did you miss this part of the article:

"A lack of exercise and a poor diet, including drinks loaded with sugar and high-fat snacks ... "

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4 posted 03-26-2007 01:45 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I think one of the greatest problems are serving sizes in dine-out restaurants, and the high levels of trans-fats that speckle many of their meals.

Back when I lived in the suburbs of Boulder, Colorado (the health food capital of America, LOL, couldn't resist saying that!) me and my family nonetheless enjoyed eating out more often then and, moreover, because I was a shy, lonely kid who had difficulties socializing, I stayed at home ever too much watching television and such, and that sort of inactivity made me gain some pounds. I've never been obese in my life, but I weighed 160 when I was seventeen, which is slightly overweight for someone of that height and age.

Now, I weigh only 129 pounds, which is considered slightly underweight for someone my age and height, which I believe the dramatic decrease is due to three things: 1) converting to a vegetarian lifestyle four years ago after being fed up with stories of certain meat producers treating the animals especially cruel, 2) becoming a dire fan of "Dance Dance Revolution" and playing the videogame frequently, and 3) Portland, Oregon is an excellent city to walk in because of light-rail availability, thus walking frequently burns many calories and works as exercise.

Actually, here in Portland, Oregon you'll find farmers markets and co-ops everywhere, thus I rarely eat out at chain diners and have only stepped into a fast-food joint three times in the past year-and-a-half. I also do my monthly grocery shopping at Wild Oats, which is to a large extent an alternative foods grocer that's much healthier overall than the main grocers, and though eating too much of anything can dramatically increase weight, you also get many more of the vital minerals, B vitamins, omega acids and polyunsaturated fats in their food comapred to, say, Safeway's, thus I think where you shop can also matter.

In fact, I cook many of my own meals now, including sweet potato pancakes, tangy stir-frys and saag baag, and whenever I do go out to eat, it's usually to the Marineopolis Sushi Land conveyor sushi restaurant, where I enjoy some cucumber rolls, soybean salad and a cup of green tea.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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John--since our last conversation regarding obesity, I can proudly proclaim there is both less of ME and less smoking.

That said, if you recall (or if I recall correctly) when I asked you why you were frightened of fat women, you had stated that you felt suffocated by the sight of someone who appeared to have difficulty in movement and such.

If I got that wrong, I apologize.

Even sitting down, I am too lazy to look up the thread. *laughing*

But I am curious, as to WHY overweight Australians would bother you. Do have some bizarre nightmarish scenario of being overwhelmed by an army of overweight Aussies invading your personal space?

Is that what it is about obesity? Are you in fear of your personal space being invaded by some errant extra roll of personage actually *gasp* touching you?

And this alarm that you feel, is that for women only--or, are fat guys okay?

I am genuinely curious here.

So...picture this scenario. You are in a dire situation, say....a FLOOD. A bus has arrived to rescue you, and you are one of the fortunate who is chosen to receive the charitable ride out of hell. But it's a close call John. You are also the last person to be safely assigned a seat on that bus--but alas, it is right next to a morbidly obese person. Are you gonna take the seat, or recuse yourself, and wait, not knowing when or if another bus will arrive? (And no, you are not allowed to STAND.)

And honestly John, I am not without my personal quirks either. I get the shivers when I can count the vertabrae on a woman's back, the outlines of her kidneys, and it is equally laborious for them to move with any agility. Frankly, I feel an urge to take them home and feed them potato chowder.

But when I see people that thin, I feel more sadness than revulsion, because I know that eating disorders are a direct result of bias of beauty standard. (There are other factors as well, such as personal control that are factored in, so just don't get sidetracked on that, please.)

Also, I have no idea if that person's problem is a result of a medical condition or not--and um, neither do you.

I'm also curious if you understand that although, yes, this is a "feeling" that you have, it causes people pain?

You can curb your tongue, avert your eyes, and be perfectly polite and even rationalize your prejudice as compassion for the person who has a "disorder"--but as I said in another thread--you cannot hide a "vibe".

So...do tell, John.

I think you are talented and interesting.

And apparently honest.

At least you ADMIT it--many people don't, but as I said, you cannot hide a "vibe".



Not without proper instruction anyway, typeth the witch. *cackle*
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Is obesity always negative / bad?  
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Ess--I'd have to find the thread to explain.

I happen to think if someone is happy with their life as it is, and as long as they harm none, it's their business. Huan confessed a fear of fat people--so this is just me, teasing Huan for an old thread, but still genuinely curious.

But I am too tired to go look for the thread now.

I've had a four month case of "the vapors" and lately I've been subsisting on berries and water. *laughing* BY CHOICE.

I'm gonna wrastle the mailman for my vegemite tho. <---whew, guess that was my cardiovascular exercize for the day!


Now I'm EXHAUSTED!
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8 posted 03-26-2007 07:36 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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In England they are having to change out the theatre seats
and on cruise ships they are installing stronger chairs
and now the article above.  Much of this phenomenon,
at least in the First World countries, has happened
in the last ten years.   My question remains what has
changed.

(And SB you misquoted me.  I simply said they scare me)
The burdens are a medical and financial fact.  

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I would druther say I paraphrased you John--I didn't feel like finding the thread and doing the quote thing and being all snooty about this.

As for medical problems?

I guess you'd have no way of knowing, but my brother died three years ago of a combination of sleep apnea and morbid orbesity. I watched him suffer John. It was a horrible death, and medically inexplicable as well because the amount of weight he gained in eight months baffled even the doctors.

But you wouldn't know have known that, now would you?

As for compensations being made for the larger human--women's feet are larger as well. Children hit puberty at an earlier age now. Does any of that bother you?

Some people might wonder why I bother with these discussions.

I suspect you actually are a compassionate, sensitive person John. (I read pretty much every thing you post and doubt seriously that it could be written by a heartless astard. But I guess I am an idealist who STILL believes, in spite of everything, that there is no such thing as a throw-away person. So yeah, I think you may have one whopper of a heart John.

I also suspect that somebody finding that out and trying to get too close to you terrifies you. Can't say I blame you--it hurts to love and the "goodbyes" are hard as hell.

But I also suspect you know that too.

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SB,

Intent on the small
you keep missing the larger issue I’m asking about.
What I was hoping the discussion would center on
was whether this recent wave of obesity was indicative
of some faith having fallen in First World cultures
and thereby a, perhaps unconscious,  surrender on it’s part
to vulnerability.

I don’t think this would be so difficult if Homer Sinpson
were in mind.

There is a passage in the book “Fail Safe”  
involving the Russian language translator that I’ve been particularly
thinking of all this time which is too long to relate, however
if the text of that book is on a site that someone will point me to
I will search find and bring it out.


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11 posted 03-26-2007 08:58 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

quote:
What I was hoping the discussion would center on
was whether this recent wave of obesity was indicative
of some faith having fallen in First World cultures
and thereby a, perhaps unconscious,  surrender on it’s part
to vulnerability.


Then John, why didn't you just say so?

Conversations would go so much more smoothly if you were a little more direct.

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12 posted 03-26-2007 09:01 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I didn't understand the Homer Simpson reference either.

Would you mind explaining that one to me?
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nice..... it must be the convenience of it all
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Dunno, but there's a problem with our youth and it worries me, because I can out work-out girls half my age.

There's something wrong with that.

I smoke, dare anyone to try and take my carbs from me, I normally refuse to run unless someone's chasing me with a knife, require bribery (like chocolate truffles) to perform sit-ups or push-ups, and pull-ups? I'd rather pretend I don't know how so some guy will do them while I watch. And I usually like to celebrate my workouts with a couple drinks that have some real "power" to them and not that RedBullsh*t and yes, I eat meat, and my sweets better have real sugar in them.

The young girls 19-26 in my gym class are all pretty, all sizes, and from all different places, but they have very little flexibility, strength, no stamina and endurance, no desire to push for a pulse beyond a resting rate.

and here I thought I'd be the one passed out on the sidelines, huh. I'm the top performer in the class, and I'm not bragging. I really feel like there's something wrong with that.

We have a good rapport, so they tease me about being a hot mama, and I tease them about their push-up bras cuttin' off the circulation to their wanna.
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15 posted 03-26-2007 10:22 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I don't understand "deepinthought"'s answer either.

Thank you Reggie-girl, for typing a direct, lucid reply.

Sigh

I don't watch The Simpsons. shocking, I know, so I guess I didn't get the joke.

And I don't mind being referred to as ignorant or even oblivious.

But thanks Reg. Even if I am envious of your metabolism.
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What is wrong with being someone that likes pleasing walks and contemplation, but cares nothing about running or being vigorous and especially expressing physical strength or stamina?  A woman that may like to wear a pleasant dress, but cares nothing about especially being glamorous, nor being "skinny"? That woman is most likely a wise lady with good manners.  Not every woman wants or needs to follow in the footsteps of Miss Glamour Model or Miss Athletic Fitness.  

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I think our current situation with weight is extremely unhealthy. Speak out against obesity, and everyone's mad because you're imposing an "unrealistic ideal" of beauty. But while our pop culture does indeed enforce that view (I won't lie- I feel bad because I used to be a size or two- and over 20 pounds- smaller), I think the other side pushes back just as hard.

On the one hand, we have the super skiny Kiera Knightly's setting unhealthy (and unrealistic) beauty standards. On the other hand, obesity is a serious problem, sedentary lifestyles are a serious problem, our horrible diets are a serious problem. I may feel bad that I've put on inches and pounds... but I feel worse that I can't physically work out as well as I used to.

Obesity has serious health implications. It also, unfortunately, has serious social implications. But, do we make accomadations for this unhealthy lifestyle (bigger seats, etc.) or do we shape public policy to encourage more healthy behaviors (i.e.- heavy taxes on cigarrettes and alcohol, a capped time to stop selling alcohol, smoking bans in more and more cities...)

I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but it is something worth thinking about. Our government (at least, my local one) enforces policies that make it somewhat less convenient to smoke and drink- how about "sin" taxes on junk food? How about getting soda pop out of schools (oh wait... that's profitable- couldn't get rid of that.) I mean, we really do have a problem, and freedom of choice is all well and good... but seriously- people are very sick... little kids are having heart attacks... so what's the answer?
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Ess~

quote:
What is wrong with being someone that likes pleasing walks and contemplation, but cares nothing about running or being vigorous and especially expressing physical strength or stamina?


Absolutely nothing, unless that someone wants to live with me, which will require him/her to earn their keep or take a walk, period. If that someone wants to work for me he/she needs to take it to heart, mind and soul: I don’t pay people to stand around contemplating. EOE, here.

But since you are addressing women:

quote:
A woman that may like to wear a pleasant dress, but cares nothing about especially being glamorous, nor being "skinny"? That woman is most likely a wise lady with good manners.  Not every woman wants or needs to follow in the footsteps of Miss Glamour Model or Miss Athletic Fitness.


Yeah? That's great. Who's cleaning her house? Birthing and Tending her children, her gardens and quiet walkways? She is?

Cool. Send her on down. I don’t usually hire out, but I can always use a bonafide, unglamorous woman who's willing to get her hands dirty. Though I suspect, she’ll be cussin’ like a sailor by the time she gets done helping me shovel a ton of shite out of my barn, hefting 50lb bales of hay, 100lb bags of feed, mowing the “back 40,” with a jump started mower (careful) red on red, black on black, then when we get that done we gotta shower and go to work. Sorry, don’t have time for “tea.”

Unless a woman has the freedom that wealth provides or a hard-bodied slave Man stuffed somewhere in a closet waiting on her beck and call, (I don’t believe in Genies) she’ll have to work.

Narration: “She looks around for a man and the sound of crickets--no, it’s the muffled grind of her ancient refrigerator motor threatening to quit any second, and she’s the only one that hears it, or cares, or dares to work another day to afford a new one if that piece of crap finally sputters its last cycle of cool. But it’s okay, because she has tools! She has a truck. She has connections at Lowes. She’s covered by homeowner’s if it blows up. Life is good!”

So while my manners could probably use some polishin’-up at times, my Work Ethic isn't lacking in work or ethics, and I look fit, not because I have a personal trainer, or follow some regimen popular to some beach here in the country, it’s because I have to move everyday to the beat of life. I could care less about my posture in a pasture or my grace of gate and form while I run from the neighbor’s stray bull. I just want to stay alive while I try to distract him from knockin’ up what’s on my side of the fence!

I have a home and business to run, and I go to college, and I write, and all the while I’ve raised two children and given a lot of other souls who needed TLC, which takes heart and back-bone. Though I require manners at the table, manners didn’t feed my lot. My son cut his teeth on the edge of the table waiting for meal times to roll around, which is a good indication of how big and tall I grow em’. “Children of the Corn,” Ess. It’s scary.

There’s nothing wrong with being anything you want to be, but I find it very hard to believe that any young woman wants to be immobile by the time she’s 50. If she ain’t movin’ at 20, do you think she will be by 40, 50, 60? Get real. While we could all use some help with our dietary intake and lifestyles, you gotta move it or lose it. About the only thing a woman with poor fitness will be contemplating is how she wished she’d kept herself more fit, so she wouldn’t homebound, bedridden, or on an operating table.

We can't hardly make my 87 year old Grandmama sit still, which is proof enough for me.

Karen~ I’d still put my money on you honey, before I would any of the young ones coming up. I'm sorry but the truth is: It just hasn't paid for me to rely on youth or physical size for heart and backbone. And I'd I'll go further to say that I'd trade a college grad any day for someone that has some plain old common sense.
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I would like to put our big fat government on a diet and not have personal health issues legislated to me.

Now that's a fact.

I see some hope in the changing beauty standards on some of the fashion catwalks (mainly in Spain) who sent girls who looked unhealthily thin--home packing.

sigh

And let's give cultural differences a nod here too. New Orleans is no longer the fattest city in the U.S. I think we were nudged off the edge of that bus seat by Philadelphia, with their cheese steaks. (Do you know I never had one of those? But I never had a subway sandwich either until just last week.) But cultural differences are REAL. Five year olds here know how to make a roux. (Brown some flour in LARD, preferably in a black cast iron skillet, stir yourself crazy and add water, or even stock, to make the sauces.) Yum.

But anyhow, you can't dictate a personal prediliction, as we found out with The Noble Experiment of Prohibition, and we are finding out even now, as our kids raid our sheds, our kitchen and bathroom cabinets to create designer drugs much more malicious than ever dreamt of by any pharmaceutical company. Sigh.

I will not bang my head.

But breathe (see how subtle a change of habit can be?)

Hush, you are in the medical field, so you know this is so. I give you the example of my father, who after seven agonizing months of chemotherapy, went home, with a nebulizer and oxygen tank, and told me, quite seriously, that he had to "wean himself off of the oxygen", then he turned off the machine and lit a cigarette. You succeeded Dad. But hey, he did it his way, on his terms and he is allowed to do that.

But foods can and do behave as drugs. Which is why I brought that up to begin with.

I'm wondering when someone is going to ask why is it that it is the poorer class of people that have the greater prediliction toward obesity? We eat too damned much STARCH--that's why. Starchy foods are cheaper--canned goods, loaded with fructose corn syrup are less expensive than fresh vegetables, or even frozen. I agree with you about snacks at schools though, hush, and even if I wince, I might even applaud some kind of moratorium of fructose thing--shaking my head. How odd it is, that we pay farmers to make a product that makes us unhealthy, when we can utilize that product to a more environmentally friendly product of corn oil, and cars that run on that. (They have 'em--I know--ask Willie Nelson, who is, as we know, an all natural kinda  guy. *wink and laughter*)

But there is a legitimate prejudice toward the obese in this country, and I can smell a fat-hating OBGYN before he can smell me.

(grin--c'mon, I'm allowed to yank John's chain just a little, huh?

But anyway, I announced I was pronounced anemic AND overweight in another thread, so let me announce now that I do believe I have lost some weight--and I am eating more, not LESS than I was. I am still having problems with breakfast though, I confess. But I have done some nutritional investigating, and I found out that some canned goods can be my friend. Like a can of tuna. Cheap, simple, and I can handle that. Then there is the simple choice(s) of beverage. Because we live in New Orleans and don't know what the heck is seeping into our pipes and don't care how many times the government tests it and tells us it's okay, we maintain a proper mode of paranoia and keep bottled water in the fridge. I also have discovered the Arizona brand of energy drinks and teas, and I make THOSE accessible to my kids in the fridge.

And guess what has happened? Suddenly, coca cola tastes too sweet. Even for THEM. (My kids.) Strawberries are in season here too, and I notice that after I bought a flat and I keep a few baskets of them washed and cold and ready to eat, they will reach for those to snack on instead of a honeybun.

I also happen to agree with Essorant, there are some very vital, dynamic large people, and they like themselves just as they are--and um, you can find fans of large women in particular in clubs by the multitude on the internet.

Now let's talk about exercize.

I often wish this machine had to be powered by a generator--attached to that treadmill right over there that is handily storing some boxes and makes a nice place to hang my clothes until I can get to iron them. I blush. So nodding, I decided, that the treadmill thing is not going to work, and outdoor walking is out of the question (trust me on reasons why for that--bullets are unquestionably bad for me) so I decided that if I was going to do something it had to be FUN. It had to start gentle and be progressive. And it wasn't gonna be sex! (laughing my fool head off here) So...

my doctor applauded my decision to invest in a toy. A video game called Dance Revolution. Inhaling. The one I need is a little pricey and I wish I could write it off on my insurance, but it has a metal handrail because Karen is a falling hazard now. (We don't know what's going on with that but suspect a low blood pressure problem coupled with the aforementioned anemia.)

OH. And alcohol. I really wanted to mention this because I was a habitual drinker, especially at night in front of this computer--but I fell in love with jasmine green tea--with just a little honey, and yanno? It's the damnedest thing, but I don't crave my nightly cocktail as much. I drink less often, and when I do drink, I drink less quantity and tell me it's a theory, but I'm giving the green tea the credit.

Five meals a day. Eat breakfast. Add grains to your diet, and if you can, fresh fruit and vegetables. (Cheaper in season anyhow.)

Karen also has a trampoline out back. (I'm not ready for that yet, but the day I am? It's gonna be funny, and I'd youtube it but the kids have threatened to retaliate by youtubing ALL of my graceless moments.)

But trust that will be a funny day. Karen The Falling Hazard goes *boing*.

And just for the sake of spiritual health, might I suggest that we be kinder to people--both thin and fat.

When we make judgements on appearances, we are more apt to err, and in both cases, the feelings of isolation from others, along with well intentioned advice, unsolicited, compounds control issues that exacerbate eating disorders.

Now. Let me go take some of my own advice. I am also battling depression too and trying to do that naturally and getting dressed is like, right on the top of the list. Y'see, I'm trying to learn how to produce reactions of dopamine in my brain, naturally. But that's another thread.

ta for now!

and Hush? It's always good to see you.

and I will close with this:

FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.
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I just had to come back to hug Regina.



Totally off topic, but I love that name. I had a best friend who was named Regina, and even though she was a man, she was soooooooooo beautiful and a joy to be around. Just full of compassion and spirit, yanno?

But okay, I'm going. Just a quick hug, a bit of warmth and humanity folks.

No biggie.
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"Unless a woman has the freedom that wealth provides or a hard-bodied slave Man stuffed somewhere in a closet waiting on her beck and call, (I don’t believe in Genies) she’ll have to work."

Maybe so.  But I never said or suggested in my example someone that doesn't get around or do any work.  But someone that doesn't want or need to be vigorous or agressive, or almost always very busy.   Maybe you want or need to be a "busybody", but someone else may be just as content, if not more content and healthy, living a life and still doing work, at a much gentler and leisurelier pace, with time for tea every day to boot.  


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Nothing wrong with that either Ess. No matter, there will come a time she’ll have to run or exert some energy above and beyond the call of her leisure activities. If she can’t manage to do that, I feel she’ll be very unhappy with the outcome. She’ll have no one to blame but herself. Her happy and content world might crumble. But we can’t always shift the tasks at hand off onto someone else, and we don’t always get to pick and choose what chooses us. Overcoming the obstacles life offers sometimes requires a person to put it high gear, and yes, shift back to a lower more feasible one to keep from wearing out. It’s just a shame that a class of young people gets worn out before I do with my track record. It is a real health issue and not just some convoluted myth. At their rate, they better hope life proves to be easy street with the finest fountain-of-youth-tea the world has to offer, or they might not make it.
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24 posted 03-27-2007 01:57 PM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Oh yeah,

back at ya, Karen.

big lovins.
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