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Essorant
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25 posted 03-27-2007 03:29 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

"No matter, there will come a time she’ll have to run or exert some energy above and beyond the call of her leisure activities. "


I agree.

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26 posted 03-27-2007 05:15 PM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

I'm back, good to be eye to eye on some things, Ess.

I just want to clarify something, now that I've worked my tail off in 82 degree weather, Is it March? or July? I'm burning up and you know what?

I'm ready for my tea, now.

Good, cold Louisiana style sweet tea, thank you, please.

I may get up at 4am, but I'm done by 5pm. I really do know how to do leisure. I'm gonna lay like a big lizard on a rock! And if my neighbor doesn't keep his bull off my property I'm gonna do BBQ too.

Nah, I'll try to mind my manners and keep a cool head 'bout myself, maybe.

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27 posted 03-29-2007 04:32 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Karen- I was trying to make the point about food acring like drugs. Look, fatty, sweet, conveneince foods (and the McDonald's dollar menu) are not your friends! You and I both know this... so, basically, my point is- if the government legislates drugs, and tobacco, and alcohol- why not fast food? And if we have a problem with fast food being regulated, shouldn't we have a problem with those other products being regulated?

Ess-

'Maybe you want or need to be a "busybody", but someone else may be just as content, if not more content and healthy, living a life and still doing work, at a much gentler and leisurelier pace, with time for tea every day to boot.'

Um... lol. Do you actually function in the real world?
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The Gov. can regulate MickeyD’s, but they can follow another grease trail back to many of the homes here in the south. So I can’t blame it all on fast food. We pride ourselves on our cooking and we put it out. Serving platters that are heaped with potatoes, breads, meats, eggs, and vegetables that are cooked in fatback, smoked hocks and bacon fat. Deep fried Crisco by the pound, butter by the stick, gravy by the boat, etc.

People look at you cock-eyed when you substitute olive oil, canola, and chicken broth for a more healthy preparation. If cornbread ain’t on the table for every meal, and you set wild rice in front of them or no bread? Holy mother of manna! Where’s my grease-bread? What’s this fancy crap? Can’t we afford any bread?

Chicken and dumplings can put a Big Mac to shame on fat content.

The little girls next door to me are 9 & 7. They wear medium and small adult women sizes. The doc said they have to go on a diet because their hearts are being stressed by their weight. They rarely eat out. A lot of it is genetics, the rest? I don’t know because I don’t ask. I just aggravate them every chance I get because they are talkers and they like to tell me funny stories.

Here’s what I notice in my neck of the woods:

I live on a nice paved road, very little traffic, lots of kids up and down the curvy stretch, and everyone has a great big yard.

I’ve never seen a kid on a bicycle, but I have seen the go-carts and golf carts.
A badminton or volleyball net.
A kickball, dodge ball, or soccer session going on.
A neighborhood basketball, football, softball or baseball game.
Frisby?
Foot races?
A kid with a jump rope?
Slipnslide?
Hopscotch?
And the really eerie thing? The swimming pools stay as smooth as glass, and the trampolines are as still as unbeaten drums, unless it rains.

Occasionally, the swing sets get a swing.

Raking? mowing? walking the dog? Nope. They’ve got leaf blowers, riding mowers, or fenced in yards. Very few even walk to the bus stop. Their parents drive them, 2 blocks.

If they’re not in organized sports at school or in the community, and they’re not taking advantage of decent weather, what are they doing?

I’ve not once had to replace any windows, any flowers, or retrieve any play things from my roof or bushes.

You’d think this was a retirement community.
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Well hush, I do have a problem with many of those other drugs being regulated. Foregoing any ideas of Utopia?

It just doesn't work. (But I do believe we tried that thread before, and even talking about that is a major headache.)

And sigh. And I don't WANT them to take away my right to stop for a quick burger.

(Um, I've been cooking since I was five--I'm tired of it.) But in public schools, a different story entirely. They should offer healthy menus for breakfast, lunch, and afterschool care snacks. But the responsibility does start at home. As so many of you know, we have had our share of health problems in my family. My kids are into martial arts. So....grin, I think you should picture this:

My son, standing next to my husband in the kitchen, watching him SHOVEL ice cream into a bowl and stuffing chocolate chip cookies into it, and then pouring chocolate syrup all over it, shaking his head and saying: "You are killing yourself."

We are a little more aware now, even in the burbs of New Orleans. And I'm finding my discipline being tested with out new spanish population as well.

I don't believe I ever tasted real Mexican food before. (Taco Bell is not the same, folks.)

What got me yesterday was the arrival of my VEGEMITE!

Now here's a feast--Louisiana strawberries, vegemite and wheat crackers, oranges and Beck's beer.

Nod.

My feet are swollen today. (VEGEMITE is wonderful but that pesky sodium---tsk..I really need to develop some self control. But it does entice me to eat breakfast, 'cause um, the stuff is great on Wheat Bagels too. )

But some food companies are finding that offering the healthy alternatives are also helping with their profit margin.

Subway, Mickey D's too!

And I'm nodding, being in health care you would be a little more passionate about this than the average person who is merely concerned with appearances and not the health issues. But if you google obesity and bias or prejudice, you will find blogs and support groups listed there, and many complain of mistreatment by the medical profession! Smile--it wasn't funny to her, but I found one story where a woman, nearing 300 lbs. went to a General Practitioner for an ear infection. She didn't come out with an Rx for antibiotics but a diet. Mind, I am not saying that YOU do this, but it is done. Alot.

And I have been all sizes too, so I also know how a stranger will be rude to you if they find you unattractive. Experiments done with realistic "fat suits" prove the point.

Imagine what happens to psychology of someone who goes through life, hearing snickers, comments, at best the quick look and eye aversion. And people who struggle to lose weight will also tell you they find their naughty self medicating foods more reliable than people to feel good. And that is just SAD.

and Reg, yep, I believe I addressed your point of culture with my recipe for roux.

I mean, I recently saw a famous southern chain offering a new delicacy--deep fried macaroni and cheese!

For that one? I'll bang my head.

Now excuse me while I go put the FIVE POUND tub of vegemite out of sight, and go back to my berries and water and tea regime.

Today "why Karen swells" is no mystery!

Ta for now.
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30 posted 03-29-2007 05:38 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Deep fried mac & cheese.... mmmm.

Don't get me wrong- I'm no health nut. I struggle with my weight- at least to the degree that many American women do, in thinking I weigh too much while others tell me I look fine. But I ahve impulse control issues, especially with food... McDonalds, ice cream, chocolate, a latte and scone, hot dogs on the grill... I was brought up on bologna sandwiches and egg noodle soaked in butter- and never denied seconds (thanks, grandma). So yes, it does start at home... it took me a long time to realize that yes, one sandwich is sufficient... and if you're still hungry- eat some baby carrots. (And just because I realize this doesn't mean I even come close to always heeding that advice.)

I do agree that there is a bias against obese people, or people who are just generally considered unattractive. But to me, if a morbidly obese person goes to the doctor- the doctor would be remiss in not prescribing a diet. Of course, any other health issues should be addressed too- but I hear heavy people complaining, for example, of back and knee problems. Is it wrong to encourage weight loss, which is often the cause of the problem, as a lasting cure (and a healthier lifestyle overall)? Or should the patient undergo surgery without first attempting other alternatives? People have to take some responsibility for their actions, and not just blame it on a prejudice... and I've seen this in other situations... one favorite drug-seeking patient I had was arguing with me that she wanted a shot of a narcotic drug (which was ordered in pill form) because she "couldn't swallow." Now, she had swallowed her antibiotic pill, which was much larger, about 20 minutes before. When I explained that I can't alter the route a doctor prescribes a medication, I was informed "You would give me my medicine if I was white."

No- I would give you your medicine if it was ordered that way, but it's not, because you are displaying every drug seeking behavior there is.

It's not the same, I realize that- I'm not calling overwieght people drug seekers. But my point is... don't blame a medical professional's behavior on your particular "difference" (of race, gender, weight, etc.) unless you really have proof. Maybe the woman with the ear infection didn't have an infection, but more of an inflammation (I had that situation before, and I was in agony), or perhaps it was a viral condition that couldn't be treated with antibiotics. Just a few thoughts.
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31 posted 05-16-2007 06:23 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I'm bumping this because I believe this is a crucially important thread and have just started a thread about rhe flip side of this extreme: anorexia nervosa, which is also a greater problem than ever (including with me) and I think it would be most beneficial discussing and suggesting what may explain the rise of these two polar extremes in eating and lifestyle, as I don't believe there's any single, simple answer for either.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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32 posted 05-16-2007 09:11 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

quote:
I think it would be most beneficial discussing and suggesting what may explain the rise of these two polar extremes in eating and lifestyle, as I don't believe there's any single, simple answer for either.


Stress...

Head Cheese & Chicken Feet

Huan Yi
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33 posted 05-16-2007 10:31 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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According to the scientists the fact remains
that we are for the first time in a long time
looking at a generation of children who are not
expected to live as long as their parents and it
can’t be blamed on smoking,

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34 posted 05-17-2007 12:47 AM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Scientist says that If there is an epidemic, then there must be a common cause.

What is the cause or causes?


I. Childhood Obesity
http://www.obesity.org/subs/childhood/causes.shtml

All other information http://www.obesity.org/

Pip could just be one of the cause, I love it though.
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35 posted 05-17-2007 02:13 AM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I think the cases certainly vary, but often there is also a psychological make-up to eating disorders as well I believe, where some childhood trauma or something along those lines sets off a spiking horse of sorts where the individial uses food as an emotional pacifier or proverbial tourniquet to ease the heartache of that experience.

I've known several close to me who have struggled with obesity, and actually had psychoanalysis performed on them which revealed quite a lot to them that helped motivate the individuals to conquer the trauma and seek resolve through a clean start, with newly found balance.

Sincerely,
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36 posted 05-17-2007 09:21 PM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Stress is definitely a huge factor in my eating patterns.

Heartache= no appetite. I can drop 20+ lbs. in a month. It's not pretty.

Anxiety or frustration= Give me the chocolate factory, and a truckload of Lays to offset the sweet with the salty. Pick up 20 lbs. though it takes a while to catch up, honestly, I don't feel good on all that sugar and grease. I crave it, madly, then suffer headaches and fatigue.

not to mention how it affects my mojo.

It's hard to have a healthy dietary plan without going overboard in any direction.

Food...is just so available, and exercise is either a part of your life or it's not.
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37 posted 05-17-2007 09:42 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

.

Does that we can understand why somehow absolve
even when the consequence is harm?


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38 posted 05-18-2007 12:34 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Would there be a problem if people ate vegetables excessively, instead of burgers, choclate bars, potato chips, etc?  



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Big fat cow eats grass.

It is "personal choice". Fat or not fat, one has available ways to stay healthy.
Dose one want to be healthy?
Do the parents want health for their children?

Do I want to take the 2 hours more for exercise while leaving PIP alone? no! no! no! I shall stay fat and die of anything but not live without "fun"(PiP, TV, Food, more Food or just being lazy,
and selfpity). call me anything.

and I will not sacrifice good food in parties for my health. Death? who cares!!! before I die, I do not need to know. After I die, again  I do not need to know.....donno
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40 posted 05-18-2007 01:48 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

There's too much of an industry in fat. Restaurants (mostly fast food) can rake it in by making "tasty" and ultra fatty foods. Then "they" can make these diet plans that cost an arm and a leg to not work. And if the diet does work, most people will go back to eating the fatty foods, re-gaining the weight. It's all about money. Our stomachs are being exploited.

I think I'll just stick to cereal. And old McDonalds can stick it up their E-I-E-I-O.

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41 posted 05-18-2007 03:39 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I think too much or too little of anything is a blessing and a curse.

I, for one, always love to do my monthly grocery shopping at secondary Chinese grocers, and I have an obsession with kimchi (fermented and spiced Korean vegetables). Whereas normally each jar of a single brand and variety could cost as much as $10 at a primary grocer like Safeway or Albertson's, at Anzen Hiroshi's grocery across the boulevard from the convention center in Portland, you can choose out of a half a dozen different varieties for $3.50 each; white cabbage, radish, green onion, ginger, etc. One time I visited the Uwajimaya market in Beaverton here and I saw a shittake mushroom kimchi.

Kimchi is a Korean delicacy that's renowned worldwide for its high values of calcium and iron, vitamins A and C, niacin and dietary fiber, yet also incredibly low in calories (most kimche jars have 12-16 servings, with each serving size worth as few as 9 calories per serving). So kimchi to me is like pizza or apple pie to others, where I consume so much of this food that was rated by Health Magazine as one of the world's five healthiest foods, yet despite getting all the great vitamins from it and lactic acid contents, I'm also not getting many calories from it, thus even if I eat five jars of it a day (which I don't do) I'm not gaining weight in the process.

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If God and Nature were kind they would allow for us to eat as much tastey food as we want without ever getting unhealthy.  In fact, if the universe worked right, we should get healthier every time we eat more choclate  

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Noah, I heard Kimchi also helps with Bird Flu. Is that true? I hear fish has all the right kinds of fats and so do nuts. Besides cereal, I could live entirely off salmon. I love Japanese cuisine too. Gimme some yakitori and gyoza with a rice bowl and I'll be happy.

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44 posted 05-18-2007 04:28 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

The Kimchi Field Museum in Seoul at least claims some studies have shown that kimchi consumption has fought back successfully more or less at the H5N1 strain of avian flu. I don't know if anything is made official yet, but it's nonetheless an encouraging sign.

Yeah, I went shopping at Wild Oats yesterday and I got some tamari-glazed walnuts and crown hazelnuts along with my usual array of produce, hemp milk and yerba mate to get some calories in my pockets. I think nuts and trail mix are the best way to get calories quickly in your system without raising your cholesterol tenfold, and so that's the new strategy I'm taking in fighting my anorexia; keeping a sandwich-baggy sized amount of nuts in my back pocket whenever I'm on the go, so I can both get my calories without getting greedy on serving sizes.

Also, I usually eat foods raw, but I decided to start cooking stir-fries with a healthier cooking oil; red palm oil, where I should get more essential fats out of that.

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Mistletoe Angel,

vege is best when fresh.

Kimchi..saltd and fermented Bok choy. When you  buy it, you have no idea how long it has been in the jar.

Google "Kimchi and Cancer". Different results in different research. But pay attention if you eat a lot.
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.


So somehow we are all victims of the food industry
which compels us personally to make choices . . .

And of course the stress was much less
in past times . . .


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Man/woman does not need to learn how to complain around.
1.genes..parents' fault
2.histories...other people's fault
3.Food...industry's fault
4.stress...time's fault.
5.Depress...hormone's fault
6.health..doctor's fault
7.drugs...scientist's fault
8 death...God's fault.
9. Low EQ...poet's fault
10.suffering...the fault of all above on me.
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"In fact, if the universe worked right, we should get healthier every time we eat more chocolate"

Oh how I wish As long as I've "Got Milk" for the rest of my life to accompany my choco diet.

My momma pushed milk like it was the precious nectar of life, and spinach, liver and cod liver oil! UUGH! Still love the milk and spinach but No Way on the liver/oil.

there's always something...

Ovaltine, Life Cereal, Malt O Meal, prunes!

sure, it's all edible, but I think each of us has something we consume that's "forbidden," or we leave out something that causes us to have a deficiency.

my daughter loves oranges and tomatoes and breaks out in a rash all around her mouth from the acid. She'll still eat them despite the price.  
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49 posted 05-19-2007 03:36 AM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I have noticed conflicting reports on kimchi and whether it reduces or increases the risk of gastric cancer. This is one rare instance where it's a risk I'm willing to take, as I don't eat it like a side dish every single day like Koreans do anyway.

You're absolutely right, also, in that it's rare you'll ever find an expiration date on kimchee containers. However, I'm not overly concerned about that because it is both refrigerated and fermented, and also it is said the longer the contents remain shelved after being cooked, the spicier the cabbage becomes. No single kimchi container has ever sat in my refrigerator for more than two weeks as it is.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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