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Local Rebel
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25 posted 03-11-2007 11:28 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

What?  

You're ignoring me?  Just because I told a tasteless, moronic joke and made you the butt of it?  

Some people are just sensitive eh?

Soldiers getting all upset because Kerry said that if students didn't stay in college they could end up in Iraq.

Democrats don't want to go on Faux News because the friggin chairman of the comapany insinuates Barak Obama is Osama Bin Laden -- the most hated man in American History save Hitler -- it was just a joke Harry... c'mon.

You, all upset because I call you a wife-beater??  

It's almost like Newton's third law DOES apply...

for every action an equal and opposite reaction...

hmmm.. kinda makes you think
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Maybe I'm sheltered, but the first instance I heard of Obama Usama was from Senator Kennedy (D-MA) about Senator Obama (D-IL).  By the by, I respects ya, Reb, even if you do inundate me with cut-n-paste.
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27 posted 03-11-2007 11:57 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

That's a possibility Cat.  But, then, half of the senior Senator from Mass.'s diction is inaudible anyway -- for at least the last 20 years or so.  It's almost like the man drinks or something.

And hey -- I know that YOU aren't a liar -- I'm just really confused sometimes that a source would think they could get away with some of those things...

Peace bro..
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28 posted 03-12-2007 12:06 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Actually, reb, if you read the comment said, it was making fun of Bush confusing Obama's name with Bin Laden.....there was no comparison of the two as your comment insinuates.

Sensitive? Me? I just didn't see anything to respond to. I only do tasteless and moronic on Fridays

Bothered you would refer to me as a wife-beater? Hardly....I'm not married

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Bothered you would refer to me as a wife-beater? Hardly....I'm not married

So, uh, whose wife didn't you stop beating yet?
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Poor Barack Obama.

I bet he was teased a lot in school. It must have been hard for him. People need to stop bullying him about his name. "Bush" is so much better.

Gosh Mike. I've always considered you the nicest of fellows and I'm really disappointed to find out that you beat your wife, who's not your wife anymore. Who knows what you did with her. Please tell me there's still hope.
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Regina, there's hope! There's hope!

As usual, LR and Ron only give half of the story....I DID beat my wife - in pinocle, canasta, bowling, ping-pong  and parcheesi. Poor gal didn't have a chance Are you competitive, by chance?
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"I DID beat my wife, in pinocle, canasta, bowling, ping-pong  and parcheesi. Poor gal didn't have a chance.  Are you competitive, by chance?"

Ah, sure. Sure. Yall ain't right. HaHa!

Me? Competitive? Yeah. But I'm not usually out for blood. I prefer my card games at tables with fine cigars, easy hands and heavy chips. The balls have to be bigger than a tennis ball, you know, baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball, and basketball. Bowling is definitely doable. Board games are fun, but my favorite is Scrabble. Yep, I'm a word-nerd.

I'm happy there's hope for all of us.

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Actually, reb, if you read the comment said, it was making fun of Bush confusing Obama's name with Bin Laden.....there was no comparison of the two as your comment insinuates.



"appears" Mike.

Osama Bin Laden isn't even mentioned by name Mike -- yet -- somehow we know what Ailes meant.  

I didn't insuate a comparison -- I expressly stated an insuation. What are you insinuating?
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Do they really need another reason not to go along with Fox's co-sponsorship of a debate?

The Pew Research Center: March 26, 2007

Especially when almost 6 in 10 Americans are in agreement with supporting legislation that calls for a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq by August 2008?

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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Excuse me, Noah. Are you claiming that's an invalid statement?
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36 posted 03-27-2007 08:16 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

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Excuse me, Noah. Are you claiming that's an invalid statement?


No. That is up to debate, which we have indeed argued time and time again here.

I'm claiming that is a biased statement, and if you can't see that as opinion on Fox News, I don't know what will.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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[This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (03-27-2007 11:24 PM).]

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“Excuse me, Noah. Are you claiming that's an invalid statement?”

“I'm claiming that is a biased statement”

The difference being?

.

By the way,
if anyone hasn’t noticed,
the two oceans don’t protect us
from the rest of the world anymore.

.
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38 posted 03-27-2007 10:16 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

So, then, what you're saying John is that if we leave Iraq -- the sectarians who are intent on killing each other are going to stop killing each other, jump into the ocean, and swim over here and start killing us?
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Don't think the actually have to swim. The world is definately becomming smaller every day. Remember the WTC? Those formerly really big things in NYC? They have those big silver flying thingies now.

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40 posted 03-27-2007 11:58 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

So the sectarian fighters are going to stop killing each other when we leave -- hijack silver thingies and come here and kill us instead?
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quote:
The difference being?


When something is invalid, it means there is no foundation to an argument and is indefensible. When something is biased, it is influenced by prejudice and/or unreasoned judgement. The intention is more active in the latter, while more passive in the former.

The Library of Congress: HR 1591

The bottom line is, I don't believe the argument whether the Democrats are legislating defeat in Iraq is as clear as night and day as some may make it out to be. When you read the US Troop Readiness, Veterans' Health and Iraq Accountability Act (HR 1591) very closely, it strikes me as fair and reasonable language overall. It specifies clearly it "provides funds to enable military commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan to respond to urgent humanitarian relief and reconstruction requirements."

It specifies that "Congress will fully support the needs of members of the Armed Forces who the Commander in Chief has deployed in harm's way in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, and their families."

It specifies that Congress accepts that the U.S Constitution grants the President as the sole role of Commander In Chief and that Congress has the sole power to declare war.

And it specifies that it directs "the President to transmit to Congress by specified dates certain determinations and certifications with respect to conditions to be met by the Government of Iraq." and "requires redeployment of the armed forces from Iraq if any of such conditions is not met." which the language requiring U.S combat troops within four months of enactment, with a goal of withdrawal completion by March 31, 2008, helps push the Iraqi government to begin putting control of their country in their own hands and stop stretching our own military thinner and thinner.

About three in five Americans support such a timetable for withdrawal, and this bill does just that while also, as Hagel made clear today, doesn't cut off funding for our troops nor encourage an abrupt complete withdrawal but rather a gradual, phased one.

None of this strikes me personally as "legislating defeat in Iraq", nor "cutting and running", nor "slow-bleeding", nor "micro-managing" or any other banana sticker soundbytes some of the most ardent proponents of the war toss out. If anything, the main critique I would have of the bill is all that other pork that's attached to it. Most of that pork is actually important things like avian flu preparation, agricultural disaster assistance and AmeriCorps funding, but shouldn't be attached to this particular sort of legislation. That is my central critique of the bill, though I generally agree with it.

So to cut a long lecture short, I do believe that Fox News banner message is completely biased, despite the network continuing to deny so and claim itself "fair and balanced".

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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And yet, I'm still confused, how language specifying timing for our withdrawal from Iraq prompts Saudi citizens to board domestic air flights and turn them into missiles against U.S. soft targets?
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No, all we have to do is stick our collective head in the sand (or some other place where the sun don't shine) and all will be well.
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What does Iraq have to do with the WTC, Pete?
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I think that there is a magic force-field that stays activated while our troops are in Iraq that prevents terrorist cells that are dispersed throughout the globe from attacking us here at home Ron.

Whereas -- if we leave Iraq -- that's bound to make Islamist extremists real mad and they've just been waiting for the force-field to be de-activated.
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Gee, tag-team matches are fun, aren't they, guys, especially with cutesy?  

I'll have to try that one day

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I may have inadvertently set up Reb's punch line, Mike, but I wasn't being cutesy. It was a serious question.

Cutesy would have been asking how the Democrats could possibly legislate a defeat in a war Bush already lost?
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Aww, Mike thinks I'm cute -- but, I don't like you in that way...  

I'm not so sure about that Ron.  Would it be more accurate to say we won the war but lost the peace?  The military objectives were acheived -- ousting Saddam and Sons, eliminating the threat of WMD's (an easy one), but it's the political objectives that remain undone?  Or am I looking at this wrongly?
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Had to stretch a bit there didn't you Ron? Here's the quote again.
quote:
Don't think the actually have to swim. The world is definately becomming smaller every day. Remember the WTC? Those formerly really big things in NYC? They have those big silver flying thingies now.


Where did I mention Iraq? This was nothing more than a dumb-A response to LR's dumb-A comment about swimming. But I think you knew that.

Hmm, here's another one, and from the same source too.
quote:
I think that there is a magic force-field that stays activated while our troops are in Iraq that prevents terrorist cells that are dispersed throughout the globe from attacking us here at home Ron.

Whereas -- if we leave Iraq -- that's bound to make Islamist extremists real mad and they've just been waiting for the force-field to be de-activated.

Well, it seems to have worked so far then hasn't it? As long as the sheet-head Islami-nazis are up to their collective ass in 'gators (no offense Mike) they may not have much oportunity to swim over here and blow us up. Yeah, why don't we just remove all those alligators for them and see if that makes them suddenly like us a lot more?
 
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