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Edward Grim
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25 posted 12-27-2006 10:44 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

"You went on, rather unfortunately, to insult Ron, his forums, and everyone who participates in discussion threads."

WHOA now cowboy! I never insulted Ron! Now, I'll trade light-hearted blows with ya but I won't take false accusations. I said:

"Was I hogging all the rights again? Dang, I do that sometimes, lol. Just kidding Ron."

After that, I wished him a good new year and was off. Ron, is a good guy and stand-up fellow who doesn't put up with any bull. If I rubbed him the wrong way, he would've said so. And I wasn't insulting the people on the forum either.

"Hopefully, you can, in the future, learn to debate one of our (pointless) points"

Did, I say "pointless" sir? I said that I thought it was rather silly. And how many times do I post here? Jeez, this is what I get for opening my mouth. And you could use a few pointers on debating as well. You take a few jokes too seriously then can't stand the heat and whine about how I hurt your feelings (which I sincerely apologized for).

Here I am thinking that this was all light hearted and easy going. Man, was I wrong, I didn't know I was dealing with someone so emotional.

And to think we were talking about maturity.

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."

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26 posted 12-27-2006 11:16 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

Edward:
quote:
All these threads, the hundreds of discussions about God and what not... They're all the same:

You've made statements like this before, and I haven't called you on it.  But as it comes up repeatedly, I feel I have to ask.  You're a Catholic and you don't think the question of God matters?  In what sense then do you have faith in God?


Or are you merely saying that the reality of faith cannot be affected by dialogue?


Just curious.


Stephen.
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No Edward -- I'm not talking about your subsequent posts where you begin playing dodgeball -- I'm still refering to your initial post:

quote:

The moral, dare I say that word, of the story is: What difference does it make? I'd imagine that I'm the youngest one on this thread and I realize that these subjects seem rather unimportant for adults to be talking about. So what if there is life somewhere else? You'll still lose your marrow when you die.  All these threads, the hundreds of discussions about God and what not... They're all the same:

Why God?
God and War
God's Sadness
Could God Give a Computer a Soul?
the Father, the Son and . . .
Religion vs Reason
The Last Word--the ultimate God discussion
Christians, What Do You Think?
Women and Religion - Open Thread
Jesus Question
Labeling Atheism
When did God begin?
Jesus......REJECTED! (Nice one JCP)


Where does it all go? This seems to be a hobby at PiP's. Answers to questions like these won't be found on the interenet just like intelligent life.

Edward Grim
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28 posted 12-27-2006 11:21 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

"You're a Catholic and you don't think the question of God matters?  In what sense then do you have faith in God?"


That's a fair question Steph. I have as much faith as the next guy I suppose. Of course the question of God matters, but I read some of these threads and I get annoyed.


"Or are you merely saying that the reality of faith cannot be affected by dialogue?"

Bingo, anybody on here that's not into God or whatever probably won't have their minds changed here or on any forum for that matter. Maybe that's a stupid notion.


Cheers

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."

Edward Grim
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29 posted 12-27-2006 11:24 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

I know rebel, you can't seem to get past my first post.

Look, I'm getting tired of this. Let's be friends. Again, if I offended you (which it's apparent that I did) I am sorry, sincerely.


Ed

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."

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30 posted 12-27-2006 11:33 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I don't accept apologies from my own children until they demonstrate some level of understanding of what they did wrong Edward.

And being friends doesn't preclude disagreement and debate.

Do you think that I talk to my own kids like this because I don't like them?  Guess again.

Edward Grim
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31 posted 12-27-2006 11:41 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Ok I'm done.

"I don't accept apologies from my own children until they demonstrate some level of understanding of what they did wrong Edward."

I don't take crap like that. Listen here my man, I ain't one of your kids, you are NOT an authority figure and if you don't want to accept my apology then fine, that's your right. But I won't be spoken to like that. My God, you have a lot of nerve.

I wonder how this conversation would have turned out if you thought I was your age. But now I don't care. This is the most asinine thread I've ever had to deal with.
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32 posted 12-27-2006 11:50 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

But LR, I forgave you many times, and yet you stayed in ignorance of your folly!


lol


Just for ol' times sake.


Stephen.
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33 posted 12-28-2006 12:05 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Folly la la la, la la la la...

days of auld lang syne my friend... and to the days ahead...

I can't remember you ever backing away from the table either Stephen...

cheers to you and yours
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34 posted 12-28-2006 12:22 AM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

LR, Just to cut Ed a break ... you did sound a bit like Papa Reb.  A warm and stern character, of my utmost admiration.  


And Ed, don't take us too seriously when we do that.  I do it to Reb too, and he's much older than I.  





Happy New Year all.

Stephen.
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35 posted 12-28-2006 11:55 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

How come ET may find us so easly, but it is so difficult for us to find ET?
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Reb:

quote:
Youth is the only excuse for immaturity.


You just ruined my New Year, dude.  Does this mean I can no longer say, "I'm very immature for my age" as though it is a virtue?  Dang-it!

Stephen:

Watch the old-guy slurs, boy.  Remember what the Bible says about sparing the rod?

Ed:

I can certainly understand why you feel many of the threads about religion, philosophy, and speculative science are trivial.  I can't speak for you (naturally), but I certainly recall my late teen years when it was the concrete and tangible that seemed to me to be of utmost importance.  And more often then not, I ran with it.

As I grew older, and issues and decisions I was forced to make as a husband, father, and professional became more complicated, I had to decide not only what I was going to do, but also how I was going to do it.  This required reflection and, on issues involving moral decisions (is doing something one way wrong and another way right), reflection on religious and philosophical issues became more important.

Questions like: When is it appropriate for me to lay aside process when critical decisions affecting people's lives need to be made?  If I find a wallet in the grocery store with no ID and $1,000 in it, what should I do?  If I discover that a coworker is taking money out of petty cash for personal use, what do I do (i.e., do I confront the employee first or report it to a supervisor)?  When it comes to questions like these, discussions about God and moral philosophy are useful.  Sometimes, upon reflection, our first answers to these questions are not the best answers.

And sometimes I get bothered by the course some of these threads take as well, but we are all at different places in wrestling with these issues and sometimes this fact warrants a little patience.

Jim
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quote:

And sometimes I get bothered by the course some of these threads take as well, but we are all at different places in wrestling with these issues and sometimes this fact warrants a little patience.



Amen.  I think at times we all feel like Sisyphus in or out of a forum like this one -- but, it's not always the same rock, or hill -- even though it may seem like it.

And, I don't know about you Jim, but, I'm getting younger!  

Stephen,
Dutch Uncle?  maybe?

Slack, is likely a good thing -- he'll need some for the long road ahead -- I think when he gets there -- he'll be a good one.

Ess,
We don't know that ET hasn't found us.  Assuming ET has the technology to do what we don't know how to do -- ET might be able to do other things we don't know how to do, like hide in plain sight.  This is a logical conclusion, but, we have no idea how likely or unlikely it is.

At present - it is just as likely that it is actually not possible to contact ET or for ET to contact/visit us.

There is no reason to assume either true or false.

Edward Grim
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38 posted 12-28-2006 02:51 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Jim, you seem like a very wise man, and I mean that without sarcasm or humorous intentions. I really appreciate your kind tone and mature attitude.

I am not in any way saying that "the threads about religion, philosophy, and speculative science are trivial." Just a few ya know, such as:
Could God Give a Computer a Soul?
Labeling Atheism
Jesus......REJECTED!
And maybe ET as well, lol.

I'm not gonna lie, I am very opinionated and if I don't agree with something or I find something silly, I'll say it; I mean hell, why not? "Sometimes, upon reflection, our first answers to these questions are not the best answers." Lol, don't I know it man.

I've put up enough junk from a few adults in my life and I'm turned off to the whole "I'm higher than you" attitude that some people put off. I'm tired of age being used as an excuse to treat someone poorly. Now, I've read my previous replies back and I can see that my responses look disrespectful but in all essence they were meant as a "humor dose" if nothing else. Some people have no sense of humor.

Thanks Jim, I think you put several things into perspective. I appreciate it.

Cheers

Ed

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."

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Ok Ed, then, here's your challenge -- click into the threads that you think are silly and debate them!  

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40 posted 12-28-2006 05:47 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

LR:
quote:
Stephen,
Dutch Uncle?  maybe?

I was thinking more like "Dutch Grampa".  


Got to quit these age jokes, I just turned 23 myself, I'm no spring chicken.

Jim,

Spare not, and bring it on old timer!

Stephen.
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41 posted 12-28-2006 06:00 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

cough*

cough*

I just almost dropped my favorite Telecaster when I read that...



course -- I coulda been a grandpa by now... I am.. after all 23 also...
Edward Grim
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42 posted 12-28-2006 07:28 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

"Ok Ed, then, here's your challenge -- click into the threads that you think are silly and debate them!"


I've already been to your website.

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."

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43 posted 12-28-2006 08:08 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Then debate it.
Edward Grim
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44 posted 12-28-2006 08:21 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Ok, I'll start with your views on abortion.

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."
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That's fine.. but, you still have to prove the threads you've mentioned are silly.
Edward Grim
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46 posted 12-28-2006 09:34 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

See Lo Cal, that's what you don't get. I don't have to prove anything to you. You need to not be so condescending.

I don't roll around the forums saying which ones are stupid, if I did that on the ones I wanted, I'd be kicked off by now. In fact I rarely respond in such a manner. For the most part I mind my own business. I figured a thread titled ET called for such a response.

And it is my right to reply how I choose as long as I follow the rules.

I wonder rebel, have you ever thought a thread to be pointless or silly? If you have, then you have some thinking to do.

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."

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47 posted 12-28-2006 09:46 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

You made a very specific list Edward;

Why God?
God and War
God's Sadness
Could God Give a Computer a Soul?
the Father, the Son and . . .
Religion vs Reason
The Last Word--the ultimate God discussion
Christians, What Do You Think?
Women and Religion - Open Thread
Jesus Question
Labeling Atheism
When did God begin?
Jesus......REJECTED! (Nice one JCP)

If you're having a hard time coming up with an exposition to back up your assertion -- hm... oh well... I guess that settles that.
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48 posted 12-28-2006 09:50 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

My loving God in deep Heaven! Do you never quit?! Put your glasses on man, I said:

" All these threads, the hundreds of discussions about God and what not... They're all the same:

Why God?
God and War
God's Sadness
Could God Give a Computer a Soul?
the Father, the Son and . . .
Religion vs Reason
The Last Word--the ultimate God discussion
Christians, What Do You Think?
Women and Religion - Open Thread
Jesus Question
Labeling Atheism
When did God begin?
Jesus......REJECTED! (Nice one JCP)"

I repeat: THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.
And, hmm, let's see all the ones I posted were about God so that means they all share a similar topic! The same topic!

You're right, clearly I'm the child here...


And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."
Edward Grim
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49 posted 12-28-2006 09:52 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Oh, and I guess that settles that.

And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone."

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