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0 posted 11-01-2006 09:43 AM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

It is no secret to any that have paid attention the past fe years that I am a died in the wool supporter of hating poor people... oh, I'm sorry... I meant to say Republican...yet this thing with John Kerry has me stumped for reasons passing political party lines.
In case anyone missed it, he snapped a comment about the uneducated being stuck in Iraq, and now there is all sorts of political fall-out.
He is saying he was misunderstood, and that it was a botched attempt at a joke on the President. Honestly, even though I am a Republican and should be estatic about this, I can honestly see where he was heading with it.
My question/comment is: Why doesn't he just apologize and GET IT OVER WITH!!!!!!!
The Republicans were hoping for an October Surprise, and he handed it to them. Had he apologized, and not been so arrogant and confrontational, it would have been over.

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I absolutely agree with you, Ringo, and though I've certainly never been a fan of Kerry or the Democratic Party establishment in general and do believe candidates of both parties DO say outrageous things they mean, like Howard Dean with the Democrats and Dick Cheney with the GOP, I respect you in that you've shown restraint from what others are doing in taking his words, taking them out of context and using them as a political football, and rather look at the common sense argument to why Kerry should apologize.

What surprises me especially is that here we have a man known for his extensive, equivocal vocabulary and manner of talking, and yet he unnecessarily and incoherently addresses his thoughts here, which I find to be down-right embarrassing more than anything.

Having said that, there are two things I want to point out here.

WAVE 3 TV Louisville, Kentucky: October 31, 2006

Firstly, having just read what he was saying before this particular excerpt that has been subject of this controversy, I find it's plainly apparent that he was directing that comment at Bush, NOT the troops.

That doesn't excuse him from that I find his comments equally as childish as those made by Bush and Rumsfeld about Iraq recently, but ever so often we fail to read around a particular comment to understand the general context of what one's saying, and when you read this, I find it quite clear Bush is the subject of ridicule, and NOT once does he denigrate the honor of our young men and women in uniform.

Secondly, Kerry's actual joke was meant to be read like THIS:

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I>"I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."

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I 100% agree Kerry should apologize, but NOT because he said anything offensive (he didn't) but simply because I believe it would be good for the American public in an already terrible dirty election season, and should be the common sense-minded thing to do more than anything.

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As an aside, I ultimately think Kerry's comment won't affect the elections six days from now much except in boldening those intending to vote for the other party, as well as make a handful of swing voters nationally who were thinking about voting this season but heard childish words from both sides and then happen to experience blizzard weather on Election Day will decide to stay home, believing it's not worth it driving through the snow and waiting hours in the library just to vote for the lesser of two childish politicians.

Both parties have their problems right now; the GOP is struggling with the issues of Iraq and a recent Foley scandal in particular, and the Democrats are seen widely as having no alternatives that would benefit the country, and because I believe the problems our nation is facing are so varied and culminated, this particular blurb will, in the end, have very limited effect, especially in that most voters will recognize Kerry is not up for re-election this season, and will reject the straw-man argument that the Democratic Party in general frowns upon our troops, when in fact both parties care and honor them very much despite some ideological disagreements.

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Secondly, Kerry's actual joke was meant to be read like THIS:

"I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."

Actually, Noah, that's about the third revision I've seen. Here's another one:

Kerry told the students that if they studied hard they could do well, but if they didn't "you get stuck in Iraq." His office said he neglected to add the punch line: "Just ask President Bush." ]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/1/120004.shtml?s=icp


Kerry's office is trying so hard to cover it up they can't even get their stories straight.

Why should anyone be surprised that Kerry would insult American troops? It's not the first time...

WASHINGTON – In accusations about American troops reminiscent of what the young John Kerry said to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971, the senator and 2004 Democratic presidential nominee told CBS "Face the Nation" host Bob Schieffer there was no reason for U.S. soldiers to continue "terrorizing" Iraqi children.

"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the – of – the historical customs, religious customs," Kerry said Sunday. "Whether you like it or not ... Iraqis should be doing that."


All of this, of course, pales in comparison to what he did to the troops in Viet-Nam.

"They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals , cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Kahn, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side... We are ashamed of and hated what we were called on to do in Southeast Asia."

"The country doesn't know it yet, but it has created a monster, a monster in the form of millions of men who have been taught to deal and trade in violence, and who are given the chance to die for the biggest nothing in history."


A comprehensive 1980 survey by the VA reported that 91% of those who had seen combat in Vietnam were "glad they had served their country." 80% disagreed with the statement that "the U.S. took advantage of me." 66% said they would serve again. As to the effects of their service many said it made them more ambitious, more determined to make something of their lives, that it made them more serious and that they appreciated America more, valued life more. Does this sound like men who were "used?"
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040227123739537

Kerry was just telling it like it was, you may say? Oh, really....?

Kerry described the Winter Soldier event in Detroit as “an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.” The veterans, said Kerry, “had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.” He accused America of being "more guilty than any other body of violations of [the] Geneva Conventions; in the use of free-fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search-and-destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam." Kerry referred to war criminal Lt. William Calley as "a man who followed orders and who interpreted those orders no differently than hundreds of other men in Vietnam," and concluded by calling on his fellow veterans to "conquer the hate and the fear that have driven this country these last ten years and more."

Most of Kerry's remarks before the committee were published later in 1971 in the book "The New Soldier," credited to “John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against The War.” The book also included a timeline and photographs of the march on D.C. and excerpts from the Winter Soldier testimony. A documentary of the Detroit event was later released as "Winter Soldier," winning awards at the Cannes and Berlin film festivals.

Whether in print, on film, before microphones or on the street, the efforts of Kerry and the VVAW focused on a single objective: to convince the public that America’s military was committing vast numbers of atrocities in Vietnam; that they did so casually and routinely, as a matter of policy.

And they succeeded. Many American soldiers returned home from the war to find they were spat upon in the streets, reviled as baby-killers, and treated as pariahs by former friends. For decades the standard media image of a Vietnam veteran -- murderous, addicted, and too damaged psychologically to cope with civilian life -- was taken directly from the dark canvas painted by John Kerry and the VVAW in 1971.

But strangely, all those horrific accounts of rape, torture, arson and slaughter that the VVAW had recorded in Detroit seemed to evaporate once the real investigation demanded by Senator Hatfield began. As recounted in Guenter Lewy's 1978 book “America in Vietnam,” few witnesses agreed to talk with military investigators, even after being assured that they would not be asked about their own crimes. Many of those who did permit interviews turned out never to have been in combat. Some of the most gruesome claims came from men who were imposters using the names of real Vietnam veterans. One Marine who had been in combat eventually told investigators that a member of the Nation of Islam had helped prepare his statement, and admitted that he had never witnessed any of the atrocities he had testified to in Detroit. In the end, the Navy was unable to verify any of the hundreds of war crimes alleged by the Winter Soldier Investigation. Neither has anyone else during the 33 years since, including journalists, historians, and military and Congressional investigators.

In fact, the entire Winter Soldier Investigation that John Kerry represented so memorably before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was a fraud; a propaganda effort designed to horrify America into abandoning the war in Vietnam by poisoning public opinion against a generation of American soldiers.
]http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20031112091257277


As one of those soldiers who returned, Noah, I can assure you we all despise Kerry for the reception we received.

In Pelosi's comment about calling Bush and Congress "criminals", you stated there was nothing wrong with that and  you defend and excuse Kerry's remarks while proclaming your non-biased political stance. Please......

Kerry screwed up....period. He opened his mouth and shoved his foot so far down shoeleather touched his testicles. All he had to do was apologize and it would have gone away. Instead he decides not to apologize and go on the attack to cover his own screw-up with insults and name-calling which does nothing more than make matters worse. This is the man who would have been President? Now THAT'S scary!
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I 100% agree Kerry should apologize, but NOT because he said anything offensive (he didn't)...

I see, Noah. So you are saying that (by your revision presented) that calling Bush a non-studier, dumb and intellectually lazy is not offensive. Listen to yourself, sir....


Our troops are plenty smart... Bush

Now THAT'S priceless!
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I think that the facts would bear out what Kerry said if he had not gone back and edited what he said, in that our military is comprised primarily of kids who have not been privileged and look to their participation in the military as a way to advance their education.  There is some truth to that.  Where he was stupid was first of all making that comparison to start with and then trying to alter his words.  Obviously, Bush received the finest education money could buy unless Yale doesn't count.  Whether he uses that education effectively is another question.  If Kerry had wanted to insult Bush's intelligence, there are a myriad of different ways he could have done it. Let's hope Kerry doesn't decide to run for President.  

If he should apologize, it should be for changing his statement and then explain with the facts what he really meant to say.  I suspect he was really trying to be honest with the crowd he was addressing and encourage them toward higher education and seriousness in their studies; he was just stupid in his approach.  For that, he should apologize.  If he was going to use the military as the example; he should have said that it was an alternative for training and education and that those were the choices of young people today and then ask them which alternative they would prefer.    

However, I think this is all too much to do about nothing -- and I doubt seriously that it will have a major impact on the election.  Afterall, he is not on the ballot and the candidates have a week to distance themselves from what he said.  
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Yes, and they are distancing themselves pretty quickly. Several have denounced his comments and asked him not to appear for them to the point he stated on Imus he was leaving the campaign trail and going back to Washington so as not to interfere with campaigns.

if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? Kerry

our military is comprised primarily of kids who have not been privileged and look to their participation in the military as a way to advance their education.   Iliana

You'll have to explain to me, Iliana, how you got your words out of his comment. You have missed your calling

There may be some flying ketchup bottles in the Kerry household tonight!
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Tony Snow summed it up best...

"This should not be hard," Snow said. "Everybody in public life has said something they wish they could take back. You simply apologize."

Obviously, Kerry cannot do that gracefully.
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7 posted 11-01-2006 03:59 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

The bottom line here is, I believe the vast majority of Americans disenchantingly accept that mis-statements, malapropisms and tongue-slips are ubiquitous in politics, from all ends of the spectrum, and essentially all sides are going to take advantage of others' gaffes, which can also often lead to greater misunderstanding.

And I strongly reject those claims that Kerry has ever denigrated the honor of our young men and women, and I would urge everyone here to listen to his testimony at the 1971 Winter Soldier hearings in its entire duration, where I find it clear his outrage was directed at the government and leading generals who left them stranded in the horrors of war, NOT the troops themselves. I believe his outrage here is directed at just that; the administration. And believe me, I too can pull out specific quotes from it that would illustrate that.

White House Transcript: July 2, 2003, President Bush Names Randall Tobias to be Global AIDS Coordinator

Remember all the fuss some of Bush's staunchest opponents and detractors were making on July 2, 2003 when Bush responded to reports that militias were responsible for the killing of many of our young men and women in Iraq by saying, "My answer is, 'Bring them on!'" That made me sick as well and I condemned how some took his words and made wild allegations that Bush wants all our troops killed in Iraq, when in fact, it is more than immediately obvious when you read his entire press conference at the link above (and you shouldn't even have to read it to understand what he meant) to understand he clearly meant going after the enemy responsible for the deaths, NOT bringing our own troops on.

Again, I 100% believe Kerry should apologize because it's the decent thing to do during a dirty election season, but this taking-out-of-context game is just that crazy in my opinion.

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Mike, why don't you go back and read what I said again.  I don't think you understand, or else maybe you were trying to twist things around again.  
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The veterans, said Kerry, “had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.”

Noah, I could care less about those claims you reject. Read the words, for God's sake! You are going to tell someone who went through it and returned home to it, which all happened before you were even born, that it's all untrue??? Those words weren't really his words....or those words didn't really mean what they said? If you want to go all out defending this cretin, fine, but don;t try to preach to us that poor Kerry was  simply misunderstood. Try telling that to the vietnam vets that burn him in effigy. You are swimming in waters you know nothing about, sir,and you are trying to pull up quotes and commentaries as a substitute for the experience you did not have, having not even been born yet. Debate it with other teens and you can all come up with your own philosophies.
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  I suspect he was really trying to be honest with the crowd he was addressing and encourage them toward higher education and seriousness in their studies;

Yes, Iliana, he  was encouraging them toward higher education by holding the threat of going to Iraq over their heads like a sword....be careful or you may become a soldier!

Maybe you're right. If a mother tells her small son to  clean up his roomor she will throw him down the stairs, perhaps that could be called encouraging him to be neat. In that case, Kerry gave an encouraging speech.
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Mike, your attitude about my comment baffles me.  I was not taking up for him.  My statements were an interpretation of what I believe he was trying to say.  Perhaps you are a little over-sensitive on this issue?  Not that you don't have a right to be.  The truth is that very few college aged kids want to go to war, want to be put in harms way, and I bet he thought he could relate to them by saying this.  It is disappointing that he brought this up at at all; maybe he is getting senile and reverting back to his days post-Viet Nam.  At any rate, as a veteran himself, if he meant his statement the way you suggest, then he was classifying himself, as well...and I don't believe he would call himself intellectually lazy.  
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Just released -- Kerry has apologized to our troops saying he never intended it to be about them.  
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You're certainly correct in that Vietnam began approximately twenty years before my birth, and thus I understand your sentiments that I will never authentically understand the more aesthetic and emotional impacts of that era.

What I am gauging my previous response on was hearing the official, undoctored 1971 Winter Soldier hearing address as it is, as well as reading the whole transcript of it, and just as any scholar or critical thinker does with any body of text, perform a "close read" chronologically from beginning to end.

With respect, sir, I don't see Kerry specifically at any given point in the address assert anything along the lines of, "Our young men and women in uniform are responsible for all that destruction in Vietnam done in a fashion reminiscent of Gengis Khan." or "Nothing but our troops are to blame!" for the atrocities. If you desire, we could close-read and analyze every single passage here and discuss the hearing, but ultimately I think it just won't change anyone's mind in the end, simply because sometimes things are interpreted differently among individuals, whether it be previously held beliefs, ideals, or just intuition speaking.

You're truly entitled to your interpretation of the hearing, which I respect, and I am entitled to mine. I do stand by how I interpret the hearing, but every now and then it never hurts to share differing interpretations and discuss them.

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I wonder if Kerry will apply for another purple heart after THIS self-inflicted wound.
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Iliana, I'm afraid you are right. I'm a little too close to this subject. Normally it's a topic I do my best to avoid. I know that you were not taking up for Kerry. You are more inclined to gie him the benefit of the doubt than I am, but you are entitled to do so.

Noah, I can see that my comment to you was snappy and I apologize for that, also.

Kerry's actions both in Viet Nam and post-Viet Nam are so despicable to me that I can't discuss him objectively. Sorry about that........
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Yes, I'm sure he will, Pete....another medal he can throw away which will find it's way onto his living room wall along  with the others...
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How gladly
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Or lives
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Personally I will respect the man that honors his oponent. I am yet to see that in the political arena.

Hence my stance.
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Looks like the soldiers have responded to Kerry:

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Looks like you beat me to it Mike. I just got in to show that same photo. Of all the answers, this one is no doubt the best.
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If I may, I'd like to take a moment to ask those who fervently believe Kerry was intending to attack our troops with his words what they have to say about what John Boehner said on CNN's Wolf Blitzer yesterday (Video is available in the second link below)

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/shifting.blame/
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"In an interview Wednesday on CNN, Boehner said, "Let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld."

CNN's Wolf Blitzer replied, "But he's in charge of the military."

"The fact is, the generals on the ground are in charge, and he works closely with them and the president," Boehner, an Ohio Republican, said."


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Now, in my opinion, I DON'T believe Bohener was intentionally at all suggesting all our troops are to blame for all that has gone wrong in Iraq.

However, what I am curious about here is why he even bothered to start the exchange by saying "Let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld..." and the very next thing he says is that the generals on the ground are in change.

My question to those who do believe Kerry WAS finger-pointing at our troops is what you think about what Bohener said here. Don't you agree that some who sees and hears how closely those two statements are can too easily be lead to believe he IS blaming our troops, specifically our generals, for Iraq's problems?

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LOL! What a surprise Democrats wouldlook for something - anything - to offset the Kerry fiasco. Nice to see you picking up the Democratic line, Noah, but it ain't gonna fly.

First, you don't evade responsibility by finger-pointing somewhere else. You would think they would have learned that lesson from all the times Clinton tried that tactic.

Second, if you want to claim he blamed the generals, fine. To make the claim he blamed the "troops" by referring to the generals is so weak it borders on the ridiculous. Kerry insulted every soldier in Iraq - no, in the service, just as he condemned every  soldier in Viet-Nam of barbarism. Not even a decent try, Noah.

Dean and the other brainless wonders who have come up with this retaliatory attempt to take the heat off Kerry will find that their effort will do more harm than good because it comes across to be exactly what it is....a pathetic attempt to save their butts and nothing more.

You seem to be very eager to join them, Noah, and absolve Kerry by any means.  May you all be  very happy together in your attempts.
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Trying to change the subject, Noah? All right, it does sound like he is blaming the generals. That is a long way from calling the foot soldiers stupid or uneducated though. We all make dumb remarks sometimes. This is particularly true of politicians. When one of those comments injures another, an apology is due.

If it had been anyone except Kerry, I would quickly agree that he simply botched the joke. Even if you accept what he claims to have intended, it's still pretty hard to stretch that as a joke with Bush as the butt. Considering Kerry's past history of disdain for the common soldier, it does seem likely that he intended it exactly as it came out.

Even giving the benefit of the doubt to Kerry that he was poking fun at the president and not the military, why did it take him two days to finally make a half-assed apology. He didn't apologize for what he said but for being misunderstood and even then did it on his web site instead of announcing it publicly.

First he made it "crystal clear" that he was not going to apologize to anyone. Then after enough pressure from other democrats, he folded and made that weak excuse of an apology. Is that just one more Kerry FLIP-FLOP? Damn, it's a blessing that he lost in '04.

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24 posted 11-02-2006 07:31 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

BTW, if Dean or anyone so eager to dodge blame for Kerry's screw-up were not so blinded by their rush to shift judgement, they would realize that there is nothing similar between the two statements. One blames generals for actions in Iraq. The other claims that, if you don't or are too lazy to get an education, you might be sent to Iraq which, by inference, insults the soldiers there. Where in the world is the comparison? Now, if the fellow would have said,"If you don't go to college or are too lazy to study, the army might make you a general", then you would have a basis for compatison.

Look at the sign the soldiers are holding up, Noah. That says it all. Tell THEM Kerry's words were not insulting.
 
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