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Scary thought, the responsibility we place upon ourselves.  The holocaust... is it so relevant? There is a holocaust occurring right now in North Korea.  We will not come to the aide of them.  Its a haunting thought, that a people’s hope is in the US to save them, when we are such a self absorbed nation.  The responsibility. The responsibility.

They superman is not invincible, but real tough.  Some how this thread went to Kerry's remark to superman metaphore.

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51 posted 11-05-2006 05:02 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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“But other than 'be prepared' what other response is possible?”


And where in a country that could not
stop illegal immigrants, (who want no more
than a job), from crossing its borders in the millions,
in a country that can not stop heroin from crossing
the world to within sight of schoolyards in Chicago,
do you propose to build the Maginot Line?  What
kind of society would you then have in such a fortress?
Is citizen automatic weapon armed Israel, (which,
for all their efforts, exists because of us; the Jihadists know that),
the guide?  Or should preparation be in the form of emergency wards,
hospitals, and an expertise in sifting and identifying body
parts from the rubble, all the time beating our breasts
moaning Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa?
The lions will eat you just the same.


rhia_5779

“Also note to Huan Yi, it was the nazi's who rounded up the jews, not jews who rounded up jews.”

You are wrong.  In the Warsaw Ghetto until there was left but the few
who would fight, the Nazis informed the Jewish leadership within as to how many
were to be transported and that leadership using Jewish police rounded up those
they decided who were to go.  There is for me, (who is a descendent from
that history),  a painful photograph of a line of those policemen, (given authority and designated  by their arm bands), walking down a street in that Hell and
they are smiling.

And I feel it necessary to repeat: because
most of them would not accept the reality
of what was waiting for them at the end of the
trip.

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[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (11-05-2006 06:07 PM).]

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Actually, he is not wrong because history shows that, at the beginning, the movement against the Jews by Hitler was made, if not possible, at least much easier by the cooperation of the rich part of the Jewish population, who felt that if they aided the Nazis they would be safe. Many helped to facilitate the movement. In the end, of course, it did them no good as their wealth was seized and they were taken away with the rest.

This may mark a milestone as to how far a thread can get off-topic
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Juju


“Scary thought, the responsibility we place upon ourselves”

I have to agree with another; it is a responsibility inflicted on us
by those who expect it of us because we have the resources
as well, ostensibly, the values, ( akin to that expected by the
least simply because they are within our country).
If you are willing to deny the values as being general,
and the responsibility, it does in fact for us, as citizens living now,
make things much easier.

“The holocaust... is it so relevant?”

That Dear Lady is, (with the addition of one word at the end: “now”),
I think for your generation, a critical question to answer.
For the Western generation of my parents there was a policy
which can be viewed as an atonement for having done nothing
at a crucial moment which led to the murder of millions.  The guilt
that motivated that policy extended into my generation; it was
a sort of “original sin” we were born with.  For you, it is different.
You must decide on what are the obligations of the world in
which you will live after we are gone.  I do not envy you.

John
  
  

[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (11-05-2006 07:00 PM).]

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quote:
And where in a country that could not
stop illegal immigrants, (who want no more
than a job), from crossing its borders in the millions,
in country that can not stop heroin from crossing
the world to within sight of schoolyards in Chicago,
do you propose to build the Maginot Line?


Who proposed a new Maginot Line? Not you, not me. Who are you talking to?

Perhaps you mean the fence? Ah, but I never proposed nor supported that. Apparently you don't either?

quote:
What
kind of society would you then have in such a fortress?


I don't know. Ask an East German.

quote:
Is citizen automatic weapon armed Israel, (which,
for all their efforts, exists because of us; the Jihadists know that),
the guide?  Or should preparation be in the form of emergency wards,
hospitals, and an expertise in sifting and identifying body
parts from the rubble, all the time beating our breasts
moaning Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa?
The lions will eat you just the same.


Wow, you started with real issues -- no solutions of course (that would defeat the rhetorical trick) -- and then descended into metaphor.

The promotion of fear for its own sake only hinders real world solutions to real world problems.

The Sound and the Fury . . . .
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quote:
it is a responsibility inflicted on us
by those who expect it of us because we have the resources
as well, ostensibly, the values, ( akin to that expected by the
least simply because they are within our country).
If you are willing to deny the values as being general,
and the responsibility, it does in fact for us, as citizens living now,
make things much easier.


I read this and I keep picturing Schwarzneggar's Commando.


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I am glad you read it as I meant it. I was unsure how to put that question delicately.  You know my mother believes there will be a day that energy will be free and perfectly clean. As an engineer I have learned to be skeptical.  With having to listen to the politicians (Some of them don't know what they are talking about when it comes to energy use... both sides).  I learned enough.

And some how in ten years the mistakes of our grandfathers will lay on our shoulders. Cause its never our fathers fault.  

Irony? Maybe in 50 years when I retire. Even if I do take responciblility for my actions, there's billions other people in the world.
  
-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos
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“The promotion of fear for its own sake only hinders real world solutions to real world problems.”

The fear is justified because we are dealing
with what for many of us  is a fantasy, yet never the
less, is “real world” for those now armed with
weapons and billions for more; that the” real
world” is a battleground in which the damned and
true heroes of God are determined.  It is centuries
since the West, (except perhaps Ireland), spilled
blood over such an exam .   The issue is not
whether you understand it, but whether you accept
its existence and what then do you do?


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Accept the existence of what?

I have a feeling that you won't answer that question. To do so deprives you of your poetic license.

And Mike complains that I'm cryptic.
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Juju,

You and your generation
are under no obligation
to carry our generation’s guilt.

The “State of Israel” was and is
a losing proposition.  You would be better
off emigrating everyone and everything
six feet above ground to Utah.

Unless and until you do there will
be blood and terror and horror.

I am not saying it would be right,
much less good in a moral sense ,
but it would buy peace at least for awhile.


John

Juju, the world is not Naperville;
I wish it were.

[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (11-05-2006 07:43 PM).]

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I was wrong. We have NOW reached a milestone for being off-topic!

Brad, you watch Arnold's movies? I'm impressed!
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Aw Mike

Have you never been
to an Italian restaurant
after a fine meal, in a room
full of smoke and good wine?

Enjoy!


John
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Mike, I own a copy of the first Conan flick.

I think it works precisely because so little dialogue is involved.

Arnold was great in the eighties and early nineties. Then, I think, he actually tried acting.

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Brad,

“Arnold was great in the eighties and early nineties. Then, I think, he actually tried acting”


Now you’ve really ticked me off!
Arnold was never other than Arnold
just as John Wayne was never other than John Wayne,
(“Surely this was the son of GOD”)!
If you were nearby I would box your ears
Pilgrim!

John


PS  Who misses John Wayne?
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Talk about "off-topic"...
lol
The ONLY thing John Kerry has in common with the Duke is the first name... plus, the Duke would never apologize either... of course, being the "perfect American" deserves no apology.

You may burn my flag... only after you wrap yourself in it first.
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LOLOL! John, you picked the only actor in history WORSE at acting than Arnold! I love Arnold and the Duke both for their machismo but their dialogues were issued with the smoothness of football spikes running across a basketball court. The only other actor even in their league would be charles Bronson. He was magnificent in  Hard Times because no sentence had more than five words and they were all single-syllabled.
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.
Now Mike,


You wound my esthetic heart!
John Wayne was a character.
Charles Bronson was no character.
Many Hail Marys’ for you.

John

PS

Ah my friends
We are last of our kind
The world grows darker by the hour

Let's drink our wine
We’ll be dead
Before any future we could know

It’s up to them
After we are gone.



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I wasn't off topic. (:

-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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Juju,

Don't be so sensitive.
We are fools as you will be
in time.


John

PS

Here’s a test of Western consciousness:
will anyone tell me the crucial distinction,
for which men are killing themselves,
between Sunni and Shiite?

[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (11-05-2006 10:07 PM).]

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): I know. I "accept" it.  :p.  I think I don't  do a good job of claiming responcibility myself.  I was not really refuring to you guys, but a general way of the world works.  Every out cry, every defence, every offence.  In the history books it was the "English who would not let the states be fairly represented" English taxmen were often tared and featherd. It is human nature to not take responcibility.  To blame.  It is part of who we are.  With origanal sin, and all.

I think we were more on subject then we thought.

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Yep, the best defense has always been a good offense to many.....fairly obvious in this thread.
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I think it is the sunne (the minority), But I haven't studied in awhile the situation.  I wouldn't be suprised if I am wrong. It could be both, but usually gorilla attacks are done by minority.

-juju

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They are using gorillas now????

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:p

-Juju

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Juju,


“It is human nature to not take responcibility.  To blame.  It is part of who we are.  With origanal sin, and all.”


And yet if you look up outside, you’re apt to see a large chunk
of organized matter, with passengers, flying through the sky.  And
you will do so not from the mouth of a cave.
That tells me someone among us has decided differently.

John

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