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JesusChristPose
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50 posted 10-14-2006 12:26 AM       View Profile for JesusChristPose   Email JesusChristPose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JesusChristPose

~ Before I reply, I can say with much certainty, that you are not a Republican/conservative, derived from your latest reply.

"JCP, I often wonder whether you come into a thread to play "blocker" for the quarterback."

~ I don't come to "play" anything on any thread.

"I've asked why you haven't commented here and you have still not responded.  It would make sense you would have much to say, given your background....and no, that is not meant sarcastically....and yet, nothing except pounching on me."  

~ [Sigh] Repeat. I didn't answer you because of your sarcastic remark. Let me put it to you this way ... if a person comes up to me and calls me a "superman genius" without knowing much about me or anything at all for that matter, and then asks for my input on a subject matter, stating how educated I am and how important my response would be because I am educated, I am not going to oblige.

"Perhaps, I should have said you were a mindreader....given your credentials, however, I was trying to evoke a response from you."

~ LOL. And then after being called a "superman genius" by you, now I am a "mindreader" and I am supposed to take you seriously? Not.

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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51 posted 10-14-2006 12:27 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Ron, ok, I'll play. What if their accusations were right? Their accusations were that Bush got us into this mess. The fact is that we are "in this mess". The object is to clean up the mess. Pointing a finger and yelling "He did it!" serves no purpose as far as finding a solution goes. They did it for strictly political purposes, not because of any fear of imminent danger to the US.....and you know it.
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52 posted 10-14-2006 12:30 AM       View Profile for JesusChristPose   Email JesusChristPose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JesusChristPose

"JCP, well dah, of course."

~ It is "duh."

"I am a registered Republican who represented personally an Ohio Senator in 1969 who ran for governor."

~ 1969? Are you serious? lol That was over 30 years ago.

"I will leave off his name as he disgraced his party.  I personally met Barry Goldwater and was kissed on the check by Ronald Regan (picture subsequently posted in the Western Star newspaper in 1969) and have a group photo with him.  I was the Ohio Young Republicans representative for radio and attended the Republican conventions.  I am a registered Republican who is very disturbed with the direction of my party.  There."

~ LOL. There [gives raspberries with much enthusiasm}. I think it is high-time and you are long overdue in registering yourself for whom you truly are, politically speaking of course.

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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53 posted 10-14-2006 12:35 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

And what do you think that is, Mike?  I am not a liberal as you are not a democrat. Get it?
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"And what do you think that is, Mike?  I am not a liberal, just as you are not a democrat.

~ Which Mike are you relating to?

"Get it?

~ Nope.  

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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JCP, I corrected Ohio Young Republicans to TARS, btw.  True, I was young then.  But I held those same Republican views through the 80s and even through the early 90s. When I vote now, I still vote some Republican, as if that is any of your business....but I research the candidate and I carefully choose.  
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I'm sorely tempted to go back and delete all posts that are completely off-topic, but frankly, I don't particularly feel like wasting my time on something that is a recurring theme for some. Knock it off.

quote:
Ron, ok, I'll play. What if their accusations were right? Their accusations were that Bush got us into this mess. The fact is that we are "in this mess". The object is to clean up the mess. Pointing a finger and yelling "He did it!" serves no purpose as far as finding a solution goes.

If the current mess is the result of refusing to meet one-on-one with Korea, Mike, I think it makes perfect sense to want to change that policy. The first step towards changing it is to highlight it, and the next step is to get people in place willing to address it. Neither of those should have to wait.

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They did it for strictly political purposes, not because of any fear of imminent danger to the US...

Agreed. But I would quickly add that is also exactly why we invaded Iraq. That doesn't necessarily mean those making the decisions don't believe they are right. It simply means they think the stakes are high and (need I say it?) the end justifies the means.


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57 posted 10-14-2006 12:47 AM       View Profile for JesusChristPose   Email JesusChristPose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JesusChristPose

Ron,

I don't know if you are refering to my replies, but hope you are not. Why? Because read how those posts came to be. It certainly had no doing of my own. If I called Stephanos a "superman genius" in a reply during any debate, you would of deleted that post as soon as you read it. I am only following the replies of a person who is keeping it going.

Therefore, I hope you are not putting the "knock it off" on me.

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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If the current mess is the result of refusing to meet one-on-one with Korea, Mike, I think it makes perfect sense to want to change that policy.

I can't believe that you think it makes perfect sense that Bush meeting one on one with Ill would make a difference, though. What possible conclusion from a meeting between the two would have made a difference? You know the answer as well as I do.

I just heard on the news that all major  UN  players  have  agreed on tough sanctions against North Korea, including China and Russia. Now THIS is major and this is the way it should be done....not the US and Korea alone but the solidarity of the nations working together. This is something that should be good news to all. Will you see the Democrats applaud this tomorrow and give credit to Bolton and Rice for  their part in causing this to come to fruition?

Me, neither.
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Yes, JCP, I was talking to you. Specifically you, in fact, because you have a long history of disrupting threads.

I agree iliana crossed the sarcasm line, but she also apologized about two pages ago. And I'll tell you what ... if Stephen ever brags about his education, especially an education he has never been able to demonstrate, you have my permission to call him a genius, super-human or otherwise. I don't feel there's much danger of that happening.


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60 posted 10-14-2006 01:12 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Mike, that is good news and I actually was concerned that would not happen.  Thanks for the news flash.  *smiles*

And apologies to JCP, again, and also for calling him Mike...senior moments happen more frequently than I'd like.  

[This message has been edited by iliana (10-14-2006 04:16 AM).]

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quote:
I can't believe that you think it makes perfect sense that Bush meeting one on one with Ill would make a difference, though. What possible conclusion from a meeting between the two would have made a difference?

I think you missed the "If" in that sentence of mine you quoted, Mike. It doesn't matter what I believe because I'm not being accused of being un-American for trying to change current policies. Well, at least not that particular policy.


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62 posted 10-14-2006 02:26 PM       View Profile for JesusChristPose   Email JesusChristPose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JesusChristPose

"Yes, JCP, I was talking to you. Specifically you, in fact, because you have a long history of disrupting threads."

~ All I did was state that Mike is a good debator and unbiased in his political reasonings, and then was subsequently called (unprovoked of course), not only a "superman genius," but a "mindreader" even after an initial apology was made.

~ How that makes me the disrupter, I don't understand. But ... you are the boss, so I will bow out after this post.

"And I'll tell you what ... if Stephen ever brags about his education, especially an education he has never been able to demonstrate, you have my permission to call him a genius, super-human or otherwise."

~ As you know, politics is a subject matter much like religion. Many people have opinions about which political party is best or which direction our country should take, etc. Yet, unless a person actually learns about the political process through books and study, that person is not going to understand politics, but merely spew forth opinions based on conjecture and biases of what one reads or sees through the media. Furthermore, that is still not enough! The ability to synthesize the political knowledge one obtains into unbiased and objective reasoning is the key to demonstrating one's education, and demonstrating that education in a, at the very least, above average manner.

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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63 posted 10-14-2006 04:38 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Actually,ron, I didn't miss the "if". I just didn't regard it as being pertinent.

Let's face it. I have little doubt you are sitting there with a smile on your face, playing the devil's advocate but there's something you know as well as I. If the Democrats felt that the Bush policies  were responsible for the situation and if they felt that the US was in danger due to those policies, the proper thing to would be to call a meeting with Bush, discuss their opinions, and try to come up with a mutually acceptable plan. That is what intelligent people do who are sincerely looking for solutions. The fact that they only went running en masse to the nearest news agencies to call Bush names and throw the blame on him clearly shows their intent.....and it has nothing to do with working together or finding solutions. What it has to do with is using whatever means available to influence the upcoming election. They would have done the same thing regardless. If Bush HAD met privately with Ill, they would have said THAT was the reason for everything going awry and he should have let the UN handle it.

You can keep using "if"'s if you like to try to give some justification to their actions but they don't hold water and every half-way  intelligent American knows exactly what their motives were.

.....and STILL they keep wondering why they lose  elections!
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64 posted 10-15-2006 12:27 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Now we're seeing the true failure of Eisenhower's cut and run Presidency.
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Good grief! I get  chastised for going all the way back to Clinton!
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66 posted 10-15-2006 05:53 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

zactly
 
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