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Should the world declare martial law???

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kif kif
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25 posted 08-14-2006 04:19 AM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

That's like the sky calling the sea blue-depending where you are, geographically. Of course, the sky in Spain may call the sea in Britain grey, and that would be an insult, even if it is true.

Whatever, Mysteria's figure of speech is a reception to the words in question, not the people, like she's stated.

(Personally, I like communicating with Digital Hell-he comes across as young, spiritual and poetic-he's here to write poetry in my opinion, and that's good, right? Essorant, you seem to be taking this as a personal attack against someone you feel you have to help. That's a nice thing to do, but it's not always the right thing to do-let him defend the words himself before we argue the why's.)

As for the point about treatment of new and established users...new users won't always be aware of what subject matter's unacceptable (through over-use, or for it's flame-bait potential), just as they might not be aware of stylistic problems in presenting such subjects to the World Wide Web. Of course, a good writer should be able to present any subject...but we're not talking about a good write, we're talking about a piece of badly scored *vandalism for no apparent reason. Established users should know the etiquette, so if they  continually post such subjects without backing it up with reason, must be dealt with more firmly than new users here...I would say, although it's possible for a new user to be 'here' solely for the purpose of using such subjects to disrupt communication within the group, to 'flame established users into reactng...I don't believe that's always a negative thing, but as I've said, intent must be shown.

Sensationalism-it throws up such a mess!

*Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of satirical works, street art that 'scribes what's wrong with the world, and that can have any shocking form. However, as any street artist will tell you, the more shocking it is, the most relief it must have-otherwise, the chances of passers-by getting *the message will be almost zero.

(sometimes, the only message with tagging is presence-i W@z Er£ 0k!)

[This message has been edited by kif kif (08-14-2006 06:28 AM).]

Not A Poet
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26 posted 08-14-2006 09:36 AM       View Profile for Not A Poet   Email Not A Poet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Not A Poet's Home Page   View IP for Not A Poet

No Grinch, I don't suggest that they should be treated differently, just that it is human nature that they are. Consider an old friend who says something that offends you. Then consider a new acquaintance who does the same, in fact has repeatedly offended you. How would you handle the situations? Sure, the "right thing to do" is probably try to find out why each of them said that. You almost surely would for the old friend but almost a surely would just avoid or even confront the other if possible. That's what I mean. That's human nature.

I know Ron has a full plate just keeping these forums running. Maybe that day was an extra load. Maybe he just didn't have the time or energy to deal with these guys in some other manner. I don't know all the details any more than anyone else here but  I think I know Ron well enough to feel entirely confident that he did what he thought was best for the entire group.
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27 posted 08-14-2006 02:58 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Kif Kif

I don't take it as an attack against Digital Hell.  But I continue to find it inappropriate. It says respectfully in the Guidelines that the inappropriate content is what should be removed immediatly.  For whatever reason the content was not removed and I may respect that.   But what I can't respect is the fact that it is taken out on the member's presence instead, instead of letting him speak, understand and be understood better thro friendship and critical discussion about it here in this forum.  We all could've maturely spoken about the topic thereafter, including Digital Hell.  I don't understand how that would've done any harm.  Digital Hell would still be here at a healthy enviroment as Passions is, able to understand better thro sharing critical discussions and we would be able to understand his thoughts better as well.

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28 posted 08-14-2006 06:14 PM       View Profile for icebox   Email icebox   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for icebox

Well, OK Albert,…maybe it is time to watch that old post-apocalyptic joy ride, "A Boy And His Dog" then we can all sit around the communal fire telling tales of self-righteous thought restraint and playing pin the tail on Lou Craddock.
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29 posted 08-23-2006 02:42 AM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

I think martial law is a ridiculous idea.

I believe that we need to start leaving other countries alone for a while and maybe some of the more hostile ones may start to leave us alone. But that's probably naive of me.

As far as Ron banning the originators of the thread (if they were banned or not). I don't disagree, I'm a little surprised but from his post, it sounds like he gave the guys a chance to redeem themselves.

Ron's got our backs...

[Insert quote of wisdom here]

kif kif
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30 posted 08-23-2006 07:49 AM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

I have to agree with you Essorant; I don't think Digital Hell should have been banned...but perhaps he didn't e-mail Ron? Plus, it's not our call.

I for one know what it's like to spout something in haste, but the adult thing to do then is to apologise. If digital is banned, then it means he's not said anything to support or forgive his words. After all, the subject is very violent, and the two of them spoke like violence was an option...and that's not what this site is about.
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31 posted 08-23-2006 02:59 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Thanks for thinking about this further, Kif Kif.

I have no doubt that Digital Hell would've apologized here in this thread if the issue hadn't been cornered as if it were only something between Ron and Digital Hell when it was not.  It was inappropriate words that were experienced by anyone that read this thread, and Digital Hell deserved at least the room to respond with the respectful manners he showed in responding to people elsewheres when participating in conversations in the forums.  That is if the inappropriate content were going to be left out in the open as it is, despite what the Guidelines say about immediatly removing such content, and despite this forum being rated G.  

I believe simply allowing someone to speak can make a great difference in that person's life and also in leaving good examples between people. One learns to deal with people and issue thro critical thinking and respectful discussion among people and issues, not by trying to shove someone out and treat them as if they can't or shouldn't be accepted.  

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32 posted 06-12-2007 04:38 AM       View Profile for Sir_Vampire   Email Sir_Vampire   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sir_Vampire

i am a personal friend of digital_hell and Decriel, and they both emailed him but he never got back to either of them... And as a matter of interest shouldn't this post have been removed as it is against the rules?
 
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