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serenity blaze
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________________.

Fill in the blank, and stay in the guidelines please. (If that vexes you--break out a thesaurus. )

It occurs to me, however, that the sentence could be completed without filling in the blank.

Alcoholics are.

It's been my experience though, that substance abusers feel horribly compelled to fill in the blanks...

(and bro? I wasn't sure where to put this, so if it doesn't suit the alley, do what you need to do.)




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Just have to agree with line 3.

Says it all.

Brevity is not something alcholics are known for...



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..People
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Alcoholics are, above all, accountable for their actions.

"To me, the thing that art does for life is to clean it, to strip it to form."
~Robert Frost

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Very much so, Brian.  
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....in the throes of an illness.
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sad.
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Grinch said it best.

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Alcoholics are weak.

Yes, they're people, but alcoholism is not a real illness, disease, or any other sentence that implies "oh, it's not my fault." It's self-afflicted poisoning, and completely their own fault.
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Alcoholics are usually sensitive people.

who do not know how to solve small problems or disapointments, so turn them into a large crisis (in their minds) and drown them in alcohol only to find them pop up again and again and then to try again and again to drown them.   martyjo

I think they may also carry a predisposition to drepression.
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kif kif?

I have been waiting for you dear.

There are a lot of gray areas in your black and white summation/assessment of what is debatedly both disease, and inclination.

There are a rare few born with the disease of alcoholism.

Alcoholism truly is a disease, generally liver related, which is noted by a marked physical inability to metabolize alcohol.

Alcohol dependancy leads to that disease, as well as other chemical abuses which also markedly deteriorate the function of the liver.

Count your parts lovie.

The gallbladder, the appendix, the spleen, all of which are part of this remarkable filtration system of your blood--you should talk sweet to them and praise their function as ye would the gods, because I promise you, if one part fails, it stresses the entire circulatory system. (look up renal failure--that's usually how it happens) And what appears as a weakness or lack of character becomes a physical manifestation of pollutants, and your very organs begin to rebel as they are no longer operating to full capacity because they lack proper oxygenation.

Alcoholics are....dying.

But then, ain't we all?

And I waited this long for you to show up just to tell you what alcoholics aren't--

they ain't dumb, sweetie. And weakness is a matter of perspective--a lesson life will teach you soon enough.



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Karen....Not sure how long ago this meant groovy, but..you're the bomb!
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Oh, I know you were! I wanted to write more, but I did try to contain myself within one statement.

Not all alcoholics are born with an "allergy" to alcohol. Over-using any substance leads to intolerance.

Anyway, if someone is intolerant to something, the 'groovy' thing to do would be to avoid it, surely?
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KifKif~
There's a big hole in your assumptive theory~
Please do your homework ... then come back and tell us what you 'know' ...
not what you 'feel'~
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Where's the hole, Marge? Oh, that one dug by my 1st partner, stealing bottles of Jack Daniels from the local supermarket, then prodding and shouting to keep me awake all night, even when I was heavily pregnant. Or, that time up against the wall with a knife at my throat when my kid was 3 days old...I left soon after, but I've had a further 10 years of aggravation, fear, and having to explain to his son why his dad is sometimes so nasty.

I could tell you that his mother was too controlling, his father was an alcoholic, and his brother and sister were too successful to match, but at the end of the day, it's his weakness that keeps him where he is, looking older than ever...and the fact that his 80 year old mother still takes care of him, financially-another sign of weakness-he's never left her.

I was kicked out by my mum when I was 15, and I lived in hostels on 17.50 a week. Most of that went on hashish. I didn't have the best start in the world, but I realise I didn't have the worst start, either. I was always looking for 'a window of opportunity', but that window wasn't to *ripping someone else off, I learned to exchange my skills for things I needed...I started working as a live in housekeeper. By the time I'd met 'him', I was completely self-sufficient...ooh, I wonder why he was attracted to me? Anyway, enough about me, I just wanted to get personal so you might see where I'm coming from, and understand my intolerance to alcoholics. I've been tolerant, and it ruined my life for a while, and it is still affecting my son's life.

*a tactic usually employed by the alcoholic.

I'll repeat, not everybody that's an alcoholic is naturally allergic. Call it a social disease if you want, but it's not an illness, just like being obese, most people don't have a medical condition to start with , (is low self-esteem a medical condition?) it's self-inflicted. Incidentally, my dad used to say he was allergic to whiskey, but I think that was an excuse to get over being locked up for assault on a police officer.  
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"Call it a social disease if you want, but it's not an illness, just like being obese, most people don't have a medical condition to start with , (is low self-esteem a medical condition?) it's self-inflicted."

You just managed to offend me twice in one sentence. You want stories, kif kif, I got 'em.

My sister was found dead last Easter. Alchohol poisoning. She had gone on quite a bender after my brother died of morid obesity and emphysema. Throw smoking in there too, as we all lost our way after losing my father to lung cancer.

A self inflicted weakness--oh if this were a postcard I would say "Wish you were here."

With Love from Post Katrina New Orleans

weakness? It hasn't stopped, m'friend. The City that Care Forgot is losing a lot of people still...lotsa folks who were accustomed to controlling their emotions via food and drink are white knuckled even now as we continue to bury our "weaker" brethren who couldn't cope with having lost everything in the world. I lost count of the overdoses before the storm--it's just now they all smell with the suspicion of suicide.

I'd advise you to get some therapy. I tried m'self, just last week.

There are only auditorium seats available. AUDITORIUM THERAPY, kif kif. Drink THAT one in awhile.

Now as bad our stories are combined--there are worse out there. Go to an AA meeting, or better yet, NA. You'll hear all the stories you can stomach.

Then go to Al Anon sweetie. They can help you yanno.

You may not realize it, but you may be at risk. It's insidious, m'friend. So be cautious of that you don't understand.

It's usually what you don't understand that bites ya in the butt.

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I'm sorry that this conversation has triggered rememberence of your family's horrific experiences. I can only imagine what you are all going through, and I certainly don't want to disrespect yours, or anyone's life. My argument should not be personal, perhaps my conversational style implies otherwise, I'll try to fix that, after I've said this...

Instead of feeling sorry for myself, it's my philosophy to 'get a grip', when possible. Yes, life, even in our western world is fraught with danger, but we've got to apply our minds to tackling these "social diseases." There are whole tribes addicted to alcohol all over the world, being feed a legal, self administering depressant (to keep them down, therefore easier for the government/multi-national companes to control). Beer houses weren't built alongside the first factories for no reason...keep 'em senseless. Here, in the west, we have more choices now, no matter how terrible our experiences, there's always room to choose. If not, then you can't call yourself an adult, it's a child that's led with no choice. Of course, now I'll have to widen onto the subject, (or continue your suggestion) of a patriarchal Government. Are our freedoms confined to The State, or can we style our own way of living within a State pushing Budweiser and MacDonald's, to our health and benefit? I'll go with the latter...I can't stomach bad food.

I'm sorry if I offended you, it isn't my intention...but if I don't tell you exactly what I think, you can't exactly reply.
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It's okay kif kif.

I have done the same myself yanno.

As Uriah puts it, "it's all gravy."

And I'm shaking my head and grinnin' because I have been called many things, but I am hard pressed to remember being called "weak."

A stubborn coon ass? Sure.



*peace*
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Alcoholics are sick individuals, who need someone to love them and let them know there is help. We may not always get through to them, but at least we know that we were there, all they had to do was accept our help.
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I have one more story, and I truly hope it is taken in the spirit of understanding, as that is the spirit of the offering.

My life has changed considerably in one year's time, and part of that change has been the inclusion of my Mother In Law as part of my immediate family.

Her home was one block off the lake, and it's pretty much gone. So she is living in our livingroom, with our blessings and thanksgiving too.

She is "company oriented" and I am a solitary sort of creature, so there has been some adjustments to be made.

Let me introduce you to "Bettie"--she is, um, maybe five feet tall, and less than 130 lbs. She came to us with a broken hip, and quite frail. Now, if you choose to armwrestle her under most circumstance, you could call her "weak".

But I have witnessed this phenomenon, and I tell you, that if you dare to stand between her and a carton of Shrimp Fried Rice, you could have to have the strength of a linebacker to keep her from it, but I would put my money on Bettie. Nod. Yer gonna go down.

I have watched her nudge and push to the front of many of a buffet line, and at first glance, you might judge her as crude, rude, or even worse.

Perhaps you might even put it down to a physical problem of being very hungry, compounded by diabetes. That would be true.

You might just shrug and say, "What a very rude old woman." And nod, by her actions, that would be equally true.

But if you took the time to talk to her, and I do mean a few months--you would learn that when she was a child, her father died, and her mother was forced to go to work. This was a time when if you had no supporting extended family, daycare for working mothers was nil.

So her mother dropped her off at St. Ann's oprhanage--every single day. Every single day, this child had no idea if her mother was returning for her. In fact, she was there so often someone actually tried to adopt her!

Now, I know she doesn't know why she turns into Kyle Turley in a buffet line--but I understand that it is a combination of being very hungry (she is diabetic) and a fear of not getting her fair share of food.

And yanno? Any other time of day, she is gentle and sweet and understanding, but if you want to keep her from her Chinese Food, you'd best go into training.

That's what I meant by perspective, lovie.

Sometimes the truth is a combo.
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somebody's possible project
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Your mother in law would fit right at home here in Barcelona. The old people experienced the civil war, saw their men-folk dragged onto the street and shot, had to speak Spanish instead of Catalan, and the richest of families were reduced to eating rats. An effect of that has been what looks like rudeness...the old people went through so much, why should they stand in line? Yet, there's also a tolerance here for the young people's antics. The older generation allow squatters to live alongside them, join in on marches, and smile sweetly as the youth daub slogans over MacDonald's windows.

My point is, you can convert horrible experiences into good ones (you'll know that Serenity-I can only imagine how you're all coping after such disaster, yet I can see from your above post that you care a lot for your Mother In Law-having her, no doubt, throws up positives). Plus, your mother in law will probably battle with her experiences forever, but I bet some positive things she's done herself were influenced by her experiences.  

Inot; you say alcoholics just need to know that someone's there that loves them. That's a sweeping statement that all to often is abused by the alcohol abuser. My story. It's the people closest to the alcoholic that take the brunt...because as a weak individual, the alcoholic attacks those who are not likely to attack him back...until he (mostly unconciously) decides on the death-drive, then the alcoholic will annoy people likely to hurt him. It's like a kind of inverted suicide. Being weak, he doesn't want to kill himself, he'd rather someone else did it for him, so he 'remains' blameless. Back to "oh, it's not my fault."

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kif kif, I lived most of my childhood around and with alcoholics.  They didn't beat up on their loved ones, they just drank till in a drunken stupor.  Yet everyday they went to work and paid the bills took care of their family. Then death took them early in life.
Sometimes when an alcoholic is faced with a life changing experience, it will either put them deeper into alcoholicism or they pull theirself up by their bootstraps and if they have someone who cares and loves them, they will fight the disease and break away from it.  Never will I allow an alcholic pull me down to their level, but I will offer a hand and help pull them out.
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are...entitled to the same rights as anyone else.

are...someone's child.

are...out of control.

are...unfortunately affecting everyone they are around.

are...hurting themselves more than anyone else.
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"Alcoholics" (people) aren't the problem.  Alcohol is.
 
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