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kif kif
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25 posted 08-07-2006 03:57 AM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

Inot, I understand that everybody handles things 'differently', but that doesn't negate the fact that the biggest percentage of people admitted to A&E at the weekends are there because of alcohol. Abuse of alcohol leads to brain changes...mostly fuddled, and nasty. You talk of survival, after the alcoholic.

Essorant, alcohol didn't jump out and hit me, he did. Like I've said, life is fraught with dangerous substances. As an adult, I take responsibility for avoiding them.
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26 posted 08-07-2006 10:24 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

You give much more to being an adult than what is ever going to happen.  There is never going to be an allresponsible population, nor even individual for that matter.  Adults are no different than children on a more complex level.  We rightly don't allow children alcoholic beverages no matter how responsable and wellbehaved they seem,  or cigarettes, or marijuana.  We defend them against such healthwounding substances, and the more absent and restricted the substances that harm health are from every household and community the more absent the wound that come with them are as well.  Adults were a lot better if they treated themselves more like children, because they deserve just as much of health and protection as our children.

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27 posted 08-07-2006 01:38 PM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

Sometimes

An alchoholic......stays outside drinking all day long...in front of my parents house.

An alchoholic.....drinks until he is sick every day.

An alchoholic...was once a very devoted and faithful ordained minister, now preaches and quotes scripture while under the influence.

An alchoholic.....only works when he runs out of money, though he has a degree in Electrical Engineering, as well as his electricians license for many years.

An Alchoholic....... yells obscenities to the top of his lungs...out in the yard, in his truck, or wherever he gets ready to.

An Alchoholic.....hears voices and carries on conversations with them.

An Alchoholic.....his personality completely changes from what it was.

An Alchoholic.....has lost his wife, through divorce, of almost 35 years and his 3 children don't have much to do with him.

An Alchoholic......thinks someone is watching him all the time...even in space.

An Alchoholic.....refuses to get help....says he doesn't need it.

An Alchoholic.......is my only sibling....my brother...and I love him and want to help him, but he refuses it.

  Ethel
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28 posted 08-07-2006 09:44 PM       View Profile for Enchantress   Email Enchantress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Enchantress

Ethel Mae?

C'mere...
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29 posted 08-08-2006 04:42 AM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

Ethel, that was a very succinct and matter of fact post. I can see that written on a wall.

Essorant, what you're saying is thoughtful, too, but as adults, our idea of freedom means self-autonomy. I believe alcohol should not be available, but there are others who see it as a substance within their rights to use.

Treating people like children will keep them like children...who will decide what 'good' choices are for them? At some point, the reality of good and bad choices have to be met through self-responsibility, or else we won't survive as individuals.
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30 posted 08-08-2006 09:40 PM       View Profile for Susan Caldwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Susan Caldwell

Alcoholics are who I have learned the most of lifes lessons from.



"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~
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31 posted 08-09-2006 11:39 PM       View Profile for Nightshade   Email Nightshade   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nightshade's Home Page   View IP for Nightshade

Oh, Karen, my Karen. I have been camping most of the summer and am only home for a day or two. I had to find a post by you. No matter what the subject or form might be, I had to bask in the incredible light from your  heart, mind and soul. I am honoured to know you witchyone.

  Oh, and as for alcoholics ...
they are  afraid.
  Of what you ask? Better to question what aren't they fearful of.


Love Ya!!
Chrislane
  
  
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32 posted 08-10-2006 02:25 AM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

My dad was an alcoholic. Growing up with it was hard you know. I do believe that it is a disease and is hereditary; that's why I'll never touch it. I already suffered enough from booze and I wasn't even the one drinking it.

All of my horror stories wouldn't be able to hold a candlestick against kif kif's or serenity's pains. I was more affected mentally and I'm still recovering by the grace of God (slowly).

Anybody who is an alcoholic has my deepest sympathy because I've seen what it does.

So what do I think?

Alcoholics are thirsty, they're just drinking the wrong stuff.

[Insert quote of wisdom here]

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33 posted 08-10-2006 09:35 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

I feel stuck in the middle. It frustrates me when, as a nurse, I see the same patients back over and over again for the same thing- the people with lung disease who broke down and bought a pack of cigarettes, which bought them an ambulance ride... the drinkers who return, drunk, the the ER time an again because... wait for it... their stomachs hurt... the drug-seekers who are "allergic" to every pain medication besides their drug of choice.

Incidentally, my family is full of these people and my frustration mingles with a sad insight... an up-close understanding of addiction. Maybe it's my intrinsic personality, or the way I was trained to think... but I can't just write these people off as "weak" or worthless... especially when I know I have my own flaws (though I will say that hash was never one of them... interesting point of view to insult substance users from, by the way.)

I don't think the reason "why" is as important to me... so your childhood sucked or a social habit got out of hand... whatever. I do not judge these people. I simply look at them and I say "This habit is an obvious detriment to your health, here is where you can get help." And that's all I can do. These people have lives and families and when it gets bad enough, they'll either see the light and get help or not... I don't have the energy or time to get more involved than that.
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34 posted 08-10-2006 10:36 AM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

You know what hush, it's that attitude I can't stand. My childhood did not just suck and for you to say that is just ignorant and makes me angrier than you'll know. You don't know what my childhood was like and I'm not about to explain it because frankly it's none of your business. Kif kif didn't get slammed against a wall with a knife to her throat for some nurse to just say it's a "detriment to their health" and that we shouldn't judge them.

Here's the thing, most alcoholics don't get help. My dad never got help after 2 DUI's, countless interventions, his family leaving him and God knows what else. Serenity's sister obviously didn't get help because she died. And most of the ones that do get help go back to it.

Yeah, you're right, these people do have lives and families... and they are ruining them.
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35 posted 08-10-2006 10:53 AM       View Profile for XOx Uriah xOX   Email XOx Uriah xOX   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for XOx Uriah xOX

I have noticed something that almost all alcoholics share...
Everyone telling them how much of a problem they are.
Most of them felt that way to start with and took to drinking.
Hard for a sore to heal when everyone keeps picking at it.
sheesh     Almost makes you wanna get drunk and say "Hell with it all!"
::smiles::
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36 posted 08-10-2006 11:57 AM       View Profile for Susan Caldwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Susan Caldwell

it sucks for everyone involved.

it hurts for everyone involved.

it's an addiction (my opinion so don't bother trampling on it) and addictions can very well be more powerful than love.  

I choose not to live with it after doing so for 19 yrs.  Let me repeat:  19 yrs. So there isn't much I haven't experienced, or saw...or learned from alcoholism (again, my opinion, so don't bother...).  

I still hurt from what "should have been" and "could have been" but I know I did everything I could think of to make that situation better.

"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
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37 posted 08-10-2006 12:57 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Alcoholics are not be changed or fixed by anyone but themselves.

Susan, I agree with you it is for sure an addiction, and right up there with cigarettes, gambling, drugs, shopping, or any other rotten habits hard to break.
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38 posted 08-10-2006 02:02 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

And thar ya go.

That's exactly right Mysteria. It's all very individual. It's just like trying to beat yourself in game of chess, eh?

and everybody is their own opponent.

And OH I did remember the last time someone called me "weak". (laughing, kif kif? I got nuttin' to do but think over here, so forgive me) but anyhow, she called me worse than that too, she called me a "waste of a human being." I really should thank her. That ticked me off so bad that I managed to find the strength to pull a big ole monkey off my back. Sometimes we need someone to tick us off I think, like a good trainer or a coach does. Sometimes I need that extra rush of adrenaline to accomplish certain things.

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and hugs to my, my chrislane, my susan and all of mah girls!

and hush, I sigh with you, because I am oddly both addict and co-dependant, and I get frustrated too:

"I just wish you would all behave!"

And extra kiss for luck to my special bro.

He knows what that is for.

And read up on some Carl Jung and the shadow, folks--because when you are battling yourself, you have found your greatest opponent.

Love to all.
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39 posted 08-10-2006 02:46 PM       View Profile for hunnie_girl   Email hunnie_girl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hunnie_girl

i agree with Essorant.
there wouldn't be a problem with alcoholics if there was no alcohol.....
alcoholics drink just to get away from life; yes a weakness i suppose. but i do not agree with alcoholism, my dad was an acoholic and abused my mom in every possible way, when she did finally have the nerve to run; she was a single mom, and worked labor jobs. i know my dad really well and he still drinks... but he isn't such a bad person when you get to know him and he is a person..all alcoholics are people they are just people with out any drive to keep them going on... bad things happen to everyone... not everyone turns to alcohol... about this subject... i'm quite undecided. Nobody is perfect...
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40 posted 08-10-2006 09:50 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I think Sharon has brought in the two words that we need to keep in perspective -- addiction and habits.

There are addictions that are chemical in nature -- in which case don't get between that addict and his/her fix.  No amount of wanting to get better is going to cure that kind of addiction.

There are 'habits' that are behavioural -- like PIP.
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41 posted 08-11-2006 10:56 AM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

It's interesting that hush negates my opinion as invalid with the fact that I used marijuana; note past context.

Just look at the insights thrown up by people who couldn't get away, and those who broke free. Sometimes, it takes a lot to get over what we're exposed to,  but opportunities have to be there to get out.

(Edward Grim, and hunnie-girl I've a son who's 11. It's worse for him than any of the adults involved. Talk about choices, for a kid, there are none...but even those without choices can make good judgements for future strength.)


Some might say that substances can be a key to the 'quick-fix' version of unlocking the mind, exploring the vistas of hypnopompic experience for true 'relaxation', in other words, self medicating the effects of life before waking up to reality. The trouble is, too much of anything induces a coma...

ps, serenity, I didn't personally call you anything.
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42 posted 08-11-2006 02:39 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I know.



But I needed to figure out why your comment chafed at me the way that it did.

So it's all good, kif.
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43 posted 08-13-2006 12:12 PM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

Chafing only happens when things don't fit, SerenityBlaze.

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44 posted 08-13-2006 08:43 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

sigh

I'm not sure what you meant, but my intent was merely that when somebody says something that bothers me, I do a little self examination and try to figure out the source inside of my self.

I had a vietnamese teacher once who told me the story about sand in a glass of water. If someone comes along and stirs up your glass of water with sand in the bottom, yer gonna get a mouthful of sand should you drink from it. Now you could just guard your water and scream at people who stir up your water, OR, you can start removing the sand, grain by grain.

It's an analogy kif.

And self examination also happens to be a major part of a famous 12 step program for addiction recovery.  

Now excuse me, but I have to go iron clothes.

I really hate ironing too.

But such is life.

shrug

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45 posted 08-13-2006 09:11 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

If ironing is part of the 12 step program I can send you my laundry too if it will help!
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46 posted 08-14-2006 08:04 AM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

I cannot reply to you, serenityblaze, without coming across as mocking, so I'll apologise now for any ill feelings you might think I've contributed towards, and bow out.
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47 posted 08-14-2006 02:41 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I apologize kif kif.

It's difficult to ascertain tone through text as it is, but when I am tired, it's a 95 percent sure bet I'll take something the wrong way.

Have a hug.

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48 posted 08-14-2006 11:09 PM       View Profile for time prophet   Email time prophet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for time prophet

Alcoholics are--- There, but for the grace of whichever god you may worship go us.

We all have the potential.
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49 posted 08-15-2006 11:22 AM       View Profile for icebox   Email icebox   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for icebox



Alcoholics are...like junkies: they will both break your heart and steal your wallet; however, the alcoholic might help you look for your wallet.
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