Thanks so much for taking the time to offer your thoughts...
Ok, here goes
Gas is presently up around here to $3.13 - 3.23. The reason being was reported on Channel 6 Action News...even though there is no oil involved in the present disturbances between Israel and Hezbollah, their reason for the price hikes were due to concern over it. How bogus is that?
Deer you stated this
These are examples of that. I could write the same things just by reading the editorial pages of newspapers. Have you checked any of those statements? Can you validate any of them? If you are stating them as fact, you should be able to.
In defense, let me just say, that my comments for the most part are due to people I've talked to...people in those fields, like teachers, principles, construction workers, including state inspectors, etc. Woman I know, who work for public assistance, an 2 underground shelters for abused women, unemployment, and last but not least, the shoddy child care systems of our country. Their funds are depleting horrendously...they cannot always be concerned with anything else but getting those kids a bed to sleep in for the night. I know workers with those agencies, and I also took in a foster child. If people only knew what really goes on. (Shaking my head)
Concerning the hospitals which closed down in Calif.
I need not check into it or serve you with editorials and/or newspaper articles...I have family that live there, and my aunt died because 3 major hospitals in the area closed down, due to so many immigrants who could not pay their bills storming these hospitals with sick children vomiting & with loose bowls who should have gone to a regular doctor, but didn't...(there were 30 people in front of my aunt, this was some kind of emergency care unit that was set up for the people of that area due to the hospitals that were closed.) The care was shoddy and they overlooked her problem, treated her for depression, and other half wit explanations they gave her without delving into tests, an MRI...3 weeks later she was gone. Would it make a difference Mike, if I told you my aunt was an editor/writer/teacher/peace core nurse/jumped out of a plane sky diving, for her 80th birthday, and her son is a producer? Both upstanding intelligent people.
I mean they are people involved with people, affected greatly by all of this.
What exactly do we manufacture on our own in this country, and if we do manufacture items here, where are the parts made? Where are our cloths made? Our parts for cars are made in other countries, shipped here and assembled on lines here...Where are most of our products manufactured Mike?
We are outsourcing most of our work in other countries Mike...computer help lines, for example. I challenge you to check into this...major companies are either moving to other countries or outsourcing anywhere between 30 - 50 percent of their work. Where are those employees who are loosing their jobs going? Again, this is not all newspaper articles, or News shows, Mike these are facts that I'm involved in, friends, families, not only loosing their jobs but also their pensions, right around here. Major companies are closing their doors and moving to other countries. Where are their employee going?
Regarding our countries info structure, Mike, I worked construction both as a laborer and
Contruction Office Manager, in charge of all items for the job, and time keeping.
Years ago, during the last gas crisis, when everyone was given odd and even numbers by the last several digits of their license plates, (remember?) which dictated what days they could fill up with gas...a surcharge was imposed in Pennsylvania on gas...which was supposed to be put aside for restructuring a lot of our roads and bridges...which were in bad shape then.
The levees in New Orleans are not the only structures in this country that were in shoddy shape, believe me. And Pennsylvania Roads are rated one of the worst in this country. Not to mention bridge structures which should never wash away with the minor flooding we've had here, but they do. It is the same in other states, again I say, when was the last time you saw anyone construct a road using 6 – 8 inches of concrete, which has a 12 to 15 year life expectancy, compared to overlaying blacktop which only lasts a year due to freezing weather and expansion of joints, material, etc.
Oh, and one of Clinton’s debate items that he was going to change was he was going to drastically correct and allocate money to better our even then shoddy info structure…and this is not a point to say, Clinton was good or bad, but simply to verify, to you, that our info structure is way overdue in repair or replacement.
I stated...when there are so many CEO’s and corporate leaders making phenomenal bonuses and salaries
That my friend is a fact....I'm also involved in this one to, so are a lot of other people I know....
Mike, I don't write from simply reading the newspaper, or listening to one radio station or one TV news reporter, but by asking questions of people who are involved in these situations…
Regarding unemployment, check the quarter again, after summer...Construction certainly does affect unemployment in the northern states, when everyone gets laid off. There are many projects Mike that cannot be addressed due to freezing weather, rain, and state regulations regarding using these materials. Again, summer unemployment creates many jobs, such as road construction, housing, Bridge repair, underground wire updates & installations, etc. Maybe on this one I didn't make myself as clear as I should of.
Mike, I suppose what I'm saying is for every pro or con, regarding any subject, I can go into the net and grab something out of some newspaper article or TV station which is reporting someone else's opinion. They do give great numbers depending on the pro or con of the reporter, and they certainly do not report what they are supposed to be reporting....
I will say this, Mike, there are some statements you've made that are absolutely right on target, and I thank you for taking the time to research and state all these facts for me...but, and I'm scratching my head here, how could these facts be true when so many major companies are moving, for instance out of the Lehigh Valley, in Allentown PA, Bethlehem PA, and Easton, PA, 3 very large manufacturing areas in PA….to other countries. I know many people who have been affected by this. I’ve seen with my own eyes, the depletion of these huge companies….know people who are jobless…
There are very few major manufacturing corporations left in our area, and we used to be one of the highest manufacturing areas on the East Coast, abundant with all kinds of American made products. Clothing, cars, computer technology, parts, steel, cans for storing all kinds of products...even...pharmaceutical companies.
It's your statement, LeeJ. Do YOU know? I'd like to see a link to something that states we hardly manufacture anything. Please provide one. If that were true - and we are still having the greatest unemployment rate in 30 years, I would call that miraculous, wouldn't you?
Mike, I would like you to link me with something that tells me different...show me our booming products that we are manufacturing right here in America, our booming car manufactures that have closed down giant plants 2 or 3 in Atlanta...check into where all the parts are made for our automobiles...not to mention, while your checking, what are the top selling cars in America, are they American made cars..which speaks volumns for our technology, wouldn’t it?
Mike, please take note, I am not attacking the current administration...or you...I mean isn't it common knowledge that we don't make many or most....of our own products here anymore?
Credit cards have been our demise, and are causing ruin in peoples lives. We are bombarded with commercials saying constantly, you need to have this, you need to have that, and etc. and telling Americans it's ok to be in debt. They cannot make payments, they are way in over their heads...and yes, spending does help economy, but what happens when bankruptcies and foreclosures are on an upswing?
Mike, talk to you principles and teachers in your schools, find out how much funding has been cut, forcing them to cut student programs….find out what they have been forced to cut back on in other areas...and some of their problems are because there are so many illegal immigrants that they must also provide for, which does effect our economy.
My statement about more and more flooding happening was to say this...
We are building more and more housing projects, condos, taking up more and more land, but, not providing the proper drain off for these areas, bridges, dams and levees are in dire need of repair, they break, and entire towns flood. Allow me to also add, in this day and age, we should no longer have above ground electrical lines and cable lines…we should have been putting these wires under ground to protect them and us from storms…especially in storm ridden areas???? What does that say about our economy?
On the subject of New Orleans, I would rather believe people I know who live there, who have seen the real goings on, rather then a statement by Governor Blanco...and would most definitely like to see a written report, making Governor Blanco responsible & liable to account for all of the 4.2 billion dollars that he intends to rebuild New Orleans with...in other words, I believe it's more of who you know, rather then rebuilding all of new Orleans. Just look at what those charge cards bought that were given out by FEMA? Why are we having so much in-efficiency in our government agencies today? Because people think more about what is owed to them, then a responsibility not only to their jobs, but to other people. The spend money frivolously, pull a pay check and are not help accountable…that to me, it the reason so many companies hire consultants, so they don’t have to be held accountable.
Corporate bonuses certainly take its toll on the economy...in all the turmoil that companies are in, they do not even suggest the thought that they cut back on their bonuses and salaries to save employee jobs...or the company...and it becomes a trickle down effect on the economy. When prices go up, for instance that CEO of the gas company whose bonus was millions, not his salary Mike, his bonus...and he is just one man...this past summer, up here we had a very mild winter, and I laughed so hard, b/c I thought Ha-Ha, these oil companies always raise their prices for fuel in the winter months, well this year, they didn't make any money on us, they lost, so now they are making it up by constantly raising prices on gas.
Programming on Television dictates spending policies....take for instance HGTV...or home make over shows...you watch it, you want it...not to mention commercials...it conditions us to believe we cannot do without...it gets us all wrapped up in thinking and worrying about things, while other things we should be concerned about, is going on.
Mike, if we do not have the technology put in place to shoot down any missile that might be fired at us, what does that say? Why do you think we don't have that technology...?
Illegal immigration IS a problem that has escalated above and beyond what we can afford. It has been draining us for years, and it is to a major factor in the decline of our social services, our medical services, how long can we keep giving people free rides...it will and has effected our economy.
I am well aware of the fact that I am not be the only one who has lost money in the stock market...and yes, it will rise again, but does one ever regain the loss? And why did it go down to begin with? Because of war, oil, fears, or is it simply a game that someone plays and wants to sell some stock and make some money...doesn't that effect our economy, our lives, in a trickle down effect.
There are some points that you've expressed well taken, and others I feel you are wrong about...but I've learned, some very important facts from you as well...
One thing I won't do to prove my points are to copy and paste someone else's opinion...
I don't believe I need to do that, my words should be sufficient...and if I'm wrong, then you've enlightened me...
what it comes down to is sharing ideas, thoughts, and venting if perhaps a little annoyed with the way things are going...doesn't really matter who is wrong and who is right, does it...time will tell..
And lastly you write...
LeeJ, your response in this thread is basically filled with political talking points but little of anything else. You resemble someone watching the weatherman on TV talking about how bad the rain is coming down without going to the window to see if the sun is shining or not. If you are sincerely confused and want advice, do this. Go outside, take a deep breath of fresh air, admire your lawn, and get in the car and drive. Notice the nice buildings, the cars going by, the people sitting in the corner restaurant, the kids playing in the schoolyard, the relative cleanliness of the streets. Acknowledge the fact that you do have a job to go to (as 95% of Americans do), that there will be a paycheck coming in and that you won't starve anytime soon. That makes you luckier that a large percentage of the world's population. Then take those newspapers and line bird cages with them. When you're done, hum the old Louie Armstrong song and sing along when you get to the end.. ...and I think to myself, what a wonderful world!"
Ouch, just ouch...Mike?????? Let me say this...I ask, that no matter what you may think of me mentality, my intellectual level, please allow me to express my opinion, without condescending me, without cruel words as such, or without talking to me like a child. I don't deserve that last comment, Mike, regardless of your thoughts, it's my right to be who I am and believe and share those beliefs. If you don't agree, so be it, I understand and allow you that right, but, please keep in mind, words can be very rude and nasty, and I'm a human being with thoughts, beliefs, feelings, just as yourself. Please keep that in mind, when we're discussing an issue or trying to win a discussion...that’s a foul ball Mike, yanno and is being right actually that important, to the extent of cruel condescension...or is it ok to speak out and vent...
I understand why so many women in PIP state, they stay out of these forums for this very reason...they don't participate...but they read?? That shouldn’t be...they should not fear getting shot down like this for their opinions...
I think we should try to be a little more tolerant & kind to people & their beliefs, maybe help them along the way in understanding, instead of attacking their character and/or telling them their opinions are not important by cruel and snippety remarks.
It’s ok not to agree, but it’s not ok to be mean, yanno. I think everyone has a right and a significant importance to participate, no matter how trivial their comments might be to you, they may make a difference to someone, not to mention, help them to express, give them confidence, what's important is this, it IS important they contribute and not fear retaliation or being made a fool of because of their desire to participate in these forums...what’s important is they did so. Besides, is being right really that important, to the extent of hurting someone else's feelings or making them feel like they don't have a right to contribute?
These forums have done a world of good for me...this entire site is a God sent....for me, but sometimes the men of this site, can be so insensitive to understanding that?
Mike, I know I’m not 100% right all of the time, and I probably do not possess the education you have, but does it matter, really, in the end? Nuff said...giving ya a big old hug...
I believe our economy is in worse shape then the reports do state, the information you've brought to the table I thank you for and I hope IS valid more then the importance of me being right...I just shared some of my thoughts on topics that I felt were important, is all...and in the end, even if I did copy and paste newspaper reports and statistics on this subject, would you change your mind?
I do very much believe this is the best country to live in, in the entire world, but also believe it could be better...we could be richer in spirit…Gosh, there “IS” more beauty here then I sometimes know what to do with...and there are certainly many reasons for me, to sing out and be thankful for what I have, and I believe I express that in my poetry…
Thanks so much Mike for listening and sharing, and helping me, as well...I hope I have not severed any respect or friendship and have helped you understand some things, as well.
Hope your weather down there is great, man oh man, did we ever have some storms here last night...365,000 people out of electric until maybe this weekend. Sheesh, I've never seen trees bend like that before?
[This message has been edited by LeeJ (07-19-2006 09:38 AM).]