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Goldenrose
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0 posted 04-13-2006 03:43 PM       View Profile for Goldenrose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Goldenrose

Just been reading this piece about the food industry stateside..and i have to say that i am more than a little concerned for all of my fellow pip poets for what they may eat..

Check out this report and know why i have said for you to BE CAREFUL..
http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv


http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/zforum/01/nation_meat040901.htm

Watch what you eat...and keep healthy everybody..

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I think our colonial cousins have probably less to worry about than we have and definitely a whole lot less than the people in third world countries.

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2 posted 04-14-2006 04:08 AM       View Profile for Goldenrose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Goldenrose

Grinch ...fine if that is your attitude and you get a nasty ecoli bug that may stop your body organs from working..dont take the advice..even third world country people who are starving deserve to have clean food..that is a basic human need..seems that the need is not being met in this instance.

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Thanks for the heads-up, dearest friend! I've been paying close attention to this myself, particularly bill H.R. 2699, and want to see to it my future family is fed with Mother Nature's natural harvest, not from parcels grazed with GMO's and pesticides.

Coping with an eating disorder known as orthorexia nervosa as of late, I've been living with some obsession in keeping pure, not keeping lanky. However, I have lost a lot of weight in result of going as much as 60 hours straight without eating and when I do, it's all-natural, and so to some of my friends it seems as though I have the same thing Lindsay Lohan or the Olsen Twins dad.

I've been making an effort to battle this, but scary legislation like this is no remedy.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa

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fine if that is your attitude and you get a nasty ecoli bug that may stop your body organs from working..dont take the advice


99% of E. coli bacteria are harmless; in fact they’re actually useful – being necessary for our digestive processes to work. Granted some strains of E. coli, such as E. coli O157:H7, are harmful but in most cases they cause nothing more than diarrhoea. Kidney failure is possible but is the exception rather than the rule – you’re probably more likely to get shot or run over stateside than die from E. coli poisoning.

That said I’m always open to useful advice while abroad, how exactly do I avoid getting an E. coli infection?

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5 posted 04-14-2006 02:00 PM       View Profile for Goldenrose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Goldenrose

If you go to the link provided they give you useful advice. Grinch if you dont think that it is important enough for you to worry about, then go and see what the link says. Perhaps the unfortunate lady that had ecoli poisoning while pregnant and had a poor unforunate child who is retarded might sway your opinion, all through eating poisoned meat? Now the inspectors cannot do their job properly do you know where your meat has come from? or how it has been processed? If you dont, it may be time to find out, if you have nothing beter to do that is...keep healthy..keep safe..

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paranoia will only get one about as far as an overbearing, opinionated statement that precludes another's right to their own decisions and disingenuously implies a lesser intelligence than the originator due solely on a differing point of view.

it amazes me how many people openly and vehemently berate [fill in the blank] for not bettering our country/way of living/political standing and harp upon the woes of a third-world country, when the price of their computer could feed someone over there for a considerable amount of time.

just my thoughts as i read the statements in this thread.
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You know why, Chris, and may I say that the first sentence of your reply was one of the most impressive statments I have ever read.

You sounded smart!
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8 posted 04-14-2006 02:47 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Goldenrose, I have no doubt that your post was created by your sincere interest in our health and welfare. I thank you for your concern.
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9 posted 04-14-2006 02:55 PM       View Profile for Goldenrose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Goldenrose

This thread was meant only as a guide for those who maybe eat out at resaurants etc. The people of my country did not know of the dangers of ecoli until we had a major outbreak that killed elderly people. The source was tracked down to a butchers that was not using clean methods.If this sort of thing can happen and spread in a place as small as the UK, what might it do to the US, Canada, or anywhere for that matter?
After the BSE scare we do not take any chances, the processing is monitored by inspectors and they have the say to close if they think it necessary. What this link says, if i am not mistaken, is that the inspectors powers have been removed? If that is the case then more people will surely be poisoned, and if they are, then nothing can be done to stop the bad processing plants even if the inspectors wanted to, now that is scary, no matter where you live..isnt it?..All i am saying is just check, ask questions...even the places that sell these products dont know what to do for the best, is that an ideal situation to you for basic human food consumption?

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10 posted 04-14-2006 03:13 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

The second link was useful.  The first link I also read in my local newspaper on the 11th, and found everything after 'Here's another little gem' to be a waste of ink and wood pulp fiber.  But that's just my opinion.  I'm sure there's just as many who thought the entire article was Gospel truth.

As far as meat handling and preparation is concerned, there's a reason I prefer Kosher, like Hebrew National sausages and hotdogs.  There's very strict rules and ordinances in that methodology, something the Meat Packer's Union would never tolerate.
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Soo... I shouldn't care about what i'm eating at home?! ^_-

I think this might qualify in more places than restaurants...

No offence to anyone here, and even though i agree a lot with what has been said about being careful, there is a time when our food becomes too clean, if that's even possible. I admit, clean food is good, it's awesome, it's great! But as our foods become even cleaner our immune system lessons. Our bodies do not learn to tolerate the germs within our foods, and other things.

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What this link says, if i am not mistaken, is that the inspectors powers have been removed?

I'm curious as to why you ended that with a question mark. Does that indicate you don't know and, if so, why not research it first to find out since it would be important to the point you are trying to make?

Now the inspectors cannot do their job properly You used no question mark there. Why is that?

Once again, your concern for us is appreciated.
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True Stargal.  That's one of the main reasons I eat plain goatmilk yogurt, high fat cottage cheese and high fat sour cream.  I guess you can get the low fat if you really wanna, but I need all the fuel I can get, as well as 'good' bacteria and enzymes.  Roofing really takes it out of ya.
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14 posted 04-14-2006 03:22 PM       View Profile for Goldenrose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Goldenrose

Stargal i can see your point of view, but this is not just about food being ''too'' clean it is about how it is processed before it gets to you. Now that the inspectors do not have much of a say, they are unable to do anything about the rogue plants and processors. Before they could stop the bad meat before it got to the stores. It takes only one bad plant to make things really bad for A LOT of people...as i said be careful..

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Goldenrose - Do you think the processors really care, or is this just another job to pay the bills?

No, i'm not trying to be rude, i just want your honest opinion, cause i don't know.

Oops, i meant the inspectors, there i go again, thinking about one thing typing another!


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Balladeer... i used the ? mark because i am not at all sure of the circumstance that brought this all about for the american people in the first place? I mean it was passed at night, when most people would have been sleeping, does somebody gain by the relaxing of these rules?. I know the inspectors dont have the power to go after the processors.

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Stargal In my honest opinion i think that like most people standing to make money, if they can get away with shoddy practices they WILL get away with shoddy practices. They had inspectors watching over their shoulders, keeping an eye out for the people, now those inspectors have been moved out of view...when the cats away..the mice will play..except in this instance they are playing with lives..and that is a bad shame...do you and others have cover for hosptial treatment if you are poisoned?

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Oh yes they do, can and have.  Food safety inspectors can shut down restaurants, groceries, butcher shops, meat processing plants, and feedlots.  If someone tries to block access, it's amazing what a trip to the State District Attorney can accomplish.

Now granted, as with every profession there will be some completely corrupt who will give high passing grades to anyone given the proper 'incentive', like a free time-share or vehicle.

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Goldenrose, think for a moment who might've been behind pushing the bill in the first place.  These things just don't happen of their own accord.  Generally, someone is buying someone else, and usually it's a Political Action Committee, Special Interest Lobby, or Labor Union.  Follow the money.
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Alicat.let me re phraise the powers that inspectors have..they have no ''teeth'' to be effective, especially against big processors...


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hmmm....the bill passed at night when people were asleep....now THAT is intriguing!
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sorry Mike, I'll try not to do it again!
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quote:
If you go to the link provided they give you useful advice.


They don’t give you any advice on how to avoid E. coli infections if you eat at a restaurant or fast food outlet and there’s a very good reason why they don’t – you can’t tell infected food from uninfected food without a lab test.

You keep saying, “be careful” and “watch out” but what exactly should I be watching out for?
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Grinch ..this is the crux of the argument, you cannot tell meat with ecoloi from meat without.Essentially the inspectors would would find out about repeated violations by processing plants. Unfortunately the inspectors have now had their power reduced.
You also have to take it on trust that the plant puts the safety of it's customers first before any of it's own profits. Do you think that they will do that?
One way to ensure your risk is reduced is by eating only meat that you cook at home yourself. It states in the link above, that you can buy a thermometer and cook it properly to the correct temperature, to kill the ecoli. For beef it should be 160 degrees, for poultry 165.

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What should you be watching out for, grinch? I think the answer to that has become obvious...our horrible administration that has reduced powers of inspectors, put all of our lives in danger, and just don't care if we all drop dead of e.coli tomorrow or not. That is, unfortunately, the point behind this thread. Just another shot. Goldenrose, I admire your innovativeness but find it sad you hide behind an "emotional sincerity for your friends" screen to mask your real purpose. It would have been more honest to just come out and say, "The U.S. administration, headed by GW Bush, has cut back the powers of meat inspectors, placing American lives in danger" instead of the "Take care of yourselves, my American friends and be safe" approach you used. At least that would have been  more respectable.
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