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This topic happens to be about Iraq. I would say the same things if the topic were the news media reporting that 10,000 home burglaries occur in Miami each night, when in fact there are only 1,000...but the newspaper owner has a brother who sells home alarm systems.

See, now, I could probably buy into that, Mike. I'd want some evidence, of course, but I'm not going to be unduly skeptical about one man's greed.

When you lay similar claims across everyone born in Virginia, everyone who is the seventh son of a seventh son, or everyone in an entire industry, frankly, I start looking to see if maybe your hat is also lined with tin-foil. "The media" covers a pretty vast sea and, in my experience, greed just doesn't spread that uniformly. Conspiracy theories never seem to hold up real well under investigation, in large part I suspect because secrets held by tens of thousands of individuals don't stay secret very long.

You may well have valid complaints, Mike. I just think you need to voice them more selectively. Go after the guy whose brother is selling home alarm systems, not every guy who has a brother. "The media" is too big a target to be credible, in my opinion.


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26 posted 03-20-2006 12:16 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

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it's simply a number thrown out to placate the obvious question, 'how many people have died'.



What source are they supposed to use?  They can be ACCURATE in reporting that 'some estimates are as much as 100,000'.

Just as I can accurately say Mike will not confirm that he's wearing women's underwear.

The unthinking that the media does now is to march out a whole lineup of characters from those who say the Earth is flat to Carl Sagan and give them all equal seats at the table with the goal of being 'objective'.  

If they don't say that there are some estimates that go as high as 100,000 are they being objective?

But, I think we're talking about protestors signs and not 'the media'.  Last time I looked protestors don't have fact checkers.
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27 posted 03-20-2006 09:48 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Hundreds of thousands of protestors globally, George Soros and his cabal, moveon.org et al and Sheehan and company can't all be wrong, can they?

It's almost comical.  Cite a figure from a single source based on a single study which cannot be found in a single archived story at said source against the war/military/Bush and it's fact.  Almost truth.  Protected and encouraged.  Say it enough times or wait long enough and it will be almost prophetic.

Howsoever, question the validity of the claims and you're a tin-hat wearing diversionary warmonger who's opinion never really mattered in the first place.  Now where'd I put my roll of foil?
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28 posted 03-20-2006 07:30 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I don't understand the correlation between wearing tinfoil and posting a rather glib, partisan paragraph;

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I mean, if you're gonna yell and protest about 33000 Iraqi dead in 3 years, why isn't anyone yelling and protesting the 49000 US citizens murdered in the same timeframe here in the United States? Source  And that's only the 'official' numbers.  Guess it's harder to pin that murder rate on a single person, though I'm sure some will try to blame Bush for that too.



Up until that point -- your first paragraph was questioning the study -- then you ended up, by choice, with a rather unfortunate political statement.
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For most of your selected quote, I was merely giving a comparison with a single crime tally: murder.  Not negligent homicide, suicide, homicide, or any other crime which leads to death.  Just the charge of murder, and the numbers of murders in the past 3 years in the US.  I fail to see how that is partisan.

Now, the last sentence is partisan.  I figured since everything else seems to be President Bush's fault, tacking on one other thing wouldn't go amiss.  Afterall, issues and problems from the prior administration were laid at his doorstep and made his responsibility; he was quickly blamed for things he inherited.  But that's neither here nor there.

I was a bit relieved at some left-leaning groups not jumping on the 100k bandwagon, like CodePink.  At least Medea (I forget her last name), one of the founders, didn't banter that figure around during an interview on FoxNews the other day.  Just wish more protest groups would adopt that position instead of perpetrating an inflationary, inflammatory and down-right bogus claim.
 
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